Salt Lake City unveils electric car charging stations

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  • Sven Morgan, UT
    May 22, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    It really is amusing watching the self righteous electric car owners tap dance here.

    I know it doesn't fit the Green Agenda, but the fact is, electric cars are not "clean" and actually have a bigger footprint on our environment than gas engines.

    The production of hybrid and electric cars, namely their batteries, produces much more pollution than those of conventional gasoline powered vehicles. Unlike gas powered automobiles, electric cars must have their large batteries replaced often. This creates the problem of how to effectively recycle or discard these large batteries. Finally, when you factor in the "pollution" created by the electricity needed to run these little gems, well, they really aren't that green at all.

    But as with all things, it isn't the results that the Left should be judged on, it's their good intentions. Just like the good intentions of wind farms screwing up the migratory patterns of birds and in fact killing them.

    Electric cars will have a far greater negative impact on our environment than conventional gasoline powered cars ever will. Driving electric cars is simply a way for self-righteous, smug environmentalists to feel good about themselves.

  • Yanquetino Ivins, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    al and greg:

    Since you asked, I am happy provide an answer. Let's say that your daily commute is 50 miles, and your gasoline car gets an impressive 30 mpg. According to EPA stats for our utility region (NWPP), the greenhouse gases emitted per day, both upstream and from tailpipes, would be:

    Your gas car: 40.82 lbs.
    An electric car: 14.33 lbs.

    What people tend to forget is that oil refineries also use those same coal-fired electric plants. It is much more efficient --and less polluting-- to put that energy directly into a car's battery instead of using it to refine and then burn gasoline.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:16 p.m.

    LDS Tree-Hugger said:

    "3. Most of the electricity produced in Salt Lake by RMP is natural gas, not coal."

    Okay, so please explain why Obama has waged a war on the coal industry? Obama said "Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket." This means the rates will be skyrocketing for those who own and drive electric cars.

    Like I said, Obama has shown his gratitude to the electric car owners by implementing Cap & Trade. You just can't make this stuff up. :-D

  • majmajor Layton, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:48 a.m.

    For those that want real info:

    For those that only look at use of carbon, a significant amount of Utah's electricity does come from renewables, especially after considering hydroelectric. It takes a lot less carbon to produce the electricity to drive a car, but most importantly coal plants produce insignificant damaging pollutants into the air along the Wasatch Front.

    My Volt takes 10 kWs (around a $1) to go 35 miles on electricity, and gets around 40 mpg there after. I suspect that a Leaf uses around 2.5 kWs (around $2.5) of electricity to go 90 miles on electric-only operation.

    My "other car" is a GMC crew cab that I use to haul my stuff and family on vacations and to move my stuff around.

    In response to a couple people's comments above: There are more gasoline cars that have caught fire (daily) then electric cars that have ever caught fire (one - two weeks after a fed deliberate totaling of the car and no discharging of the battery).

    Just trying to do a little less damage to our kids' lungs, and appreciate all that spend more to buy a NGV, electric, hybrid or encourage cleaner gasoline...

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    May 21, 2014 10:46 a.m.

    "coal is expected to provide 61 percent of the energy for our customers this year"

    I found this on the Rocky Mountain Energy web site. The total is not broken down by state so Utah's coal use may be different. The number can get confusing since some of our Utah coal fired power plants export most of their electricity, to other states.

    My guess is that clean burning hybrids generate less total pollution than coal powered electric vehicles. (An exception can probably be made for cars powered by solar panels, but that gets complicated too.)

    The good thing about electric cars is that they export the air pollution out of Salt Lake Valley, which is good for Salt Lakers, bad for the planet.

  • LDS Tree-Hugger Farmington, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    1. Electric vehicles - even using coal generated electrcity - have far fewer emmissions than any gasoline vehicle.

    2. Electric cars 110 years ago used lead acid batteries, had a top speed of 15 mph, and a range of 4 miles. [Model T's went 25 mph, at only 15mpg for 100 mile range -- the same as today's electics --- my have things have changed and "progressed"].

    3. Most of the electricity produced in Salt Lake by RMP is natural gas, not coal.

    4. An electric vehicle costs $2.64 to fully recharge, but driver/owners seldom go below 50% on their batteries.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    May 21, 2014 4:06 a.m.

    How much they charge is a good question. I guess between $10-$20/hr. They can't allow 2 vehicles to hog the gas pumps all day long either when others need to put a paper tiger in their tank. Its only fair that charging your car should cost the same as or more than buying a 25 gal tank of gas. When the government contracts convenience services to a specialty company we have to expect it to cost 4 times more to justify these devices. Government can't provide a service anymore, they have to sell their time and services to the tax payers who paid them to do their jobs.

    The good thing about selling convenience, it makes the cheaper alternative of fossil fuels look a lot better and why electric cars died on the chopping block in the ca. 1900. Another down fall of electric cars, they have a short lifespan 10 yrs max and no resale or trade in value for a $50k PC W/flashlight. At the end of their lives they become hazardous waste, the batteries are not repairable and too expensive to replace, accidents nullify battery warranties and car become a fire hazard.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:02 a.m.

    DrGroovey said:

    "I wonder how much they charge to charge up the car?"

    Well, whatever the cost is currently, it will indeed be going up. Here's what Dear Leader said regarding energy:

    "You know, when I was asked earlier about the issue of coal, uh, you know ā€” Under my plan of a cap and trade system, electricity rates would NECESSARILY SKYROCKET. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad. Because Iā€™m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it ā€” whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, uh, they would have to retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers (emphasis mine)." -Barack Obama

    This is how Obama thanks all of you good people who went out and bought electric cars! :-D

    I'll wager you most environmentalists have no idea where our electricity comes from. There about to find out.

  • al and greg Murray, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:44 p.m.

    This makes me feel all warm and fuzzy. Oh wait, how much coal did they have to burn to generate the electricity to charge up the car? Oh, it doesn't matter, as long as it makes me feel good. Seriously, what pollutes more, efficient running cars, or burning coal to create the electricity to plug our electric cars into? Nobody ever seems to bring this up. Almost all of the electricity that Rocky Mtn Power makes, is from burning coal. Food for thought.

  • DrGroovey Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 6:14 p.m.

    I wonder how much they charge to charge up the car?