Pleading the 5th: Utah Jazz experience another disappointing NBA draft lottery result

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  • eagle Provo, UT
    May 25, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    Captain L:

    Kanter can't shoot the three, and suggesting that he do so would not be a good plan. Hayward is a poor man's AK. Let's hope the Jazz don't give him a max contract like AK because they are basically the same player but AK is probably better. Hayward is no better than a supporting piece not a center piece. Trey Burke is closest thing the Jazz have to a center piece.

  • Captain L Provo, UT
    May 23, 2014 9:19 p.m.

    Some of these comments are interesting, Love is not a center and getting him would not allow Favors to go back to play the 4, Favors is much more of a center than Love. Hayward is a major part of the rebuilding process and does many very good things to make his teammates better, he shouldn't be moved, unless you could get Parker or Wiggins for him and a pick. These next 5 weeks will be interesting, I think if the new coach is a young up to date thinker, the Jazz staff will be encouraging Kanter to prove he can shoot the 3 (become like Okur), that would make it easier for Favors and Kanter to compliment each other better. The Okur, Boozer, Milsap years showed we weren't big enough/long enough and Favors/Kanter gives us better size. I hope they develop so they can stay together.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 21, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    @Doug 10 - A coaching decision may be coming up sooner rather than later. At least one former NBA head coach has interviewed with Lindsay. That's one more than I thought would show interest.

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    May 21, 2014 3:42 p.m.

    I wish the Jazz had fell further. This draft is not near as good as the hype. Imbid is already talking going to LA and getting picked first. Jazz will trade up or down, don't believe they will stay at 5. I say call Houston and trade for Azik, Parsons, Lin and Montenas.

  • Eliot Genola, UT
    May 21, 2014 3:12 p.m.

    There must be a stats guy out there somewhere who could analyze the data and give us a definitive answer about just how valuable the first pick in a draft is compared to the second, third, fourth or fifth pick. The analysis should include the price tag of a first pick compared to the others.

  • matt4226 Holladay, UT
    May 21, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    What year did the Jazz improve their draft order through the NBA Draft Lottery? In the 2005 NBA Draft Lottery they had the 4th worst record and fell to 6th after Milwaukee and Portland jumped over them. They then traded with Portland to move up to the 3rd pick where they drafted Deron Williams. That was the only other year that I can remember where we had a decent chance of winning the lottery.

  • Durt Pergish Petrich, 00
    May 21, 2014 1:41 p.m.

    Fire Corbin. That is the main objective. And don't worry about the draft order. No.5 and 2 more picks in a deep draft is a good starting point in a rebuild.

  • Objectified Richfield, UT
    May 21, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    @ SlopJ30:

    Relax. People are mostly just joking about the fix being in. Of course there is no proof. If a team had enough money to buy a fix, they'd certainly also have enough to cover their tracks. BTW... it certainly wouldn't take a marquee name to offer big money to the right NBA people. Not that that's what happened. Just sayin.

    You're asking for proof that there was a fix. What proof have you got that there wasn't one? Moving from 9th to 1st with a 1.7% probability certainly creates a bit of suspicion for some people. If they want to think out loud without proof, that's their right. Relax a bit and enjoy the banter.

    May 21, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    Once again, my decision to become an NHL fan after the 1997 - 98 NBA Finals has been validated...

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    May 21, 2014 12:50 p.m.

    Ripped of with a number 5 pick?? That was the pick the jazz had the highest odds of getting... and they got it.

    Previous number 5 picks: Dwayne Wade, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Scottie Pippen,

    Previous number 1 picks: Anthony Bennett, Greg Oden, Andrea Bargnani, Kwame Brown, Kenyon Martin...

    You just never know if a number 1 pick is better then a number 30 pick. It is all... a lottery. So no, they didn't get ripped off. They did get ripped off when they drafted Raul Lopez in 2001 over Tony Parker, who was drafted a few spots after that. So yeah, that panned out for the Jazz.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    May 21, 2014 12:32 p.m.

    Most of the previous lottery talk has centered around 4 main potential superstar players. As such, the Jazz were destined for the #5 pick. Bad karma. It seems kinda crazy that we literally had a 10 times better chance of getting the #1 pick than Cleveland had and yet this still happened. A person can't help but wonder just a little bit if there wasn't some sort of fix going on... especially after Cleveland lands the top pick 3 of the past 4 seasons. Crazy!

    I wonder how much we could move up by combining and trading our two 1st round picks... maybe even throwing in our 2nd round pick into the package. We moved up last year by doing something similar and ended up with the 2nd most valuable rookie of the year (as per end of season voting).

    There's no doubt Jazz management will now access all available options. I'm willing to give them the benefit of any doubt and assume they will create and choose the best option available. I'm certain there's more news to come before draft day next month.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    May 21, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    @Confused, Farmhand 20, gdog3finally, Frozen Chosen and Live From the Swamp:

    I realize it’s great fun to yap about conspiracies and makes you feel like you know something the masses don’t, but caleb in new york and Simpe Spectator are right. What kind of conspiracy fixes the lottery for anything less than a marquee name? If the NBA was interested in directing top picks and players to maximize income, NY and LA would have had a few more top picks, no? The League is desperate for Cleveland to be a contender again . . why, exactly?

    If you have some other proof of a fixed lottery . . and saying “it’s obvious; everyone knows” doesn’t qualify as proof . . I’d love to hear it. Otherwise, you don’t “know” anything. Stop embarrassing yourselves.

  • Live From the Swamp Holladay, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Rigged. Even one of the ESPN talking heads pondered that mathematically speaking, you had a better chance of being struck by lightning than hitting the top pick 3 years out of 4. What a joke. Another reason to pass on the NBA.

  • Wanda B. Rich Provo, UT
    May 21, 2014 9:58 a.m.

    All I can say is get a shooter. We've got bigs. We've got a decent point guard. We've got a slasher. We need someone who can torch defenses from the outside and spread the floor. Oh, yeah, and get a coach who knows how to develop young talent.

  • Simpe Spectator St.George, UT
    May 21, 2014 9:09 a.m.


    Right, the lottery must be rigged. Everyone just LOVES the Cavaliers.Give me a break. Everyone thinks there is a conspiracy. Let me tell you now, no one cares about the Cavaliers.

  • Spiff Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    I would have bet money that both Boston and LA would have jumped ahead of everybody.

  • Eliot Genola, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Interesting that Kevin Love is mentioned. He was the fifth pick in the 2008 draft. Other fifth picks who have done well in the NBA include Dwayne Wade, Vince Carter, Ray Allen, Kevin Garnett, Juwan Howard, Scottie Pippen and Charles Barkley. Having the fifth pick is not the kiss of death but having a management team that has no confidence in its ability to draft well is.

  • Hochmut West Jordan, UT
    May 21, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    I am sure Corbin is laughing till his side hurts as the Jazz tanked this year to get nothing from the top 3 they have been coveting all season. What a waste of a year and an "in your face" season to the fans. They should have gotten a refund for such lackluster play. And doesn't matter who they get for will do nothing to elevate them in the Conference. Another poor decision and they can spin it all they want, but management did us wrong. Now they will suck even further if they cannot keep Hayward...but mabe they will actually be the worst team in the league next year and get the #2 pick behind Cleveland.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    May 21, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    this year's results seemed to be evidence that the lottery is NOT rigged and is indeed a random drawing. It does not make sense that the lottery was rigged to favor Cleveland, because Cleveland is not that important in the big picture of the league to justify such special treatment. Cleveland already had its few years in the limelight when Lebron played there. If the league wanted to rig it, there would be plenty of other teams to help which would generate far greater interest for the league.

  • B Russ Ephraim, UT
    May 21, 2014 6:55 a.m.

    The team with the best odds has not won the lotto since 2004. Cleveland has won it 3 years out of the last 4. Does the #1 pick go on sale or what?

  • Frozen Chosen Savage, MN
    May 21, 2014 6:38 a.m.

    It should be clear to everyone that the NBA lottery is rigged. The NBA is a billion dollar business and billion dollar businesses don't leave things to chance. I think the WWF has more credibility than the NBA.

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    May 21, 2014 5:38 a.m.

    Jazz fans act like a # 5 pick is bad. Plenty of good players in this year's draft. They have two top 23 picks. There are a lot of teams who would love to have two first round picks.

    May 21, 2014 1:53 a.m.

    There were two teams I was hoping that would not get the number 1 pick and that was Cleveland and LA. This stinks. Please NBA put the lottery in the toilet and be like the NFL in regards to the draft.

    If the Jazz trade up, trade Kanter, the 5th and the 23rd draft picks for anyone of the top four picks in the draft this year. All four of the picks will be stars in this league and we all know it.

    Do not trade down, draft Randle, he was mention earlier in the season as a top three selection and would work well with Favors down low.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 21, 2014 1:10 a.m.

    Luck/unlucky? The draft lottery has long been a rigged affair.

  • Long Lost America Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    Interesting to see Vonleh mentioned in several posts. Word from NBA GM's is that he is going before Randle. I agree he is a better pick than Randle, who has defense issues and was almost certainly going to slide possibly further in the draft. It's too bad because the difference between pick #'s 54 and 4 is quite big. Exum or Embiid would have been fun to see drafted.

    I am sure the Jazz will be trying to package the #5 and 23 picks in a trade, hopefully even to move up just one spot in the draft.

  • Utes Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    At least it wasn't the Lakers who got lucky with the 1st pick.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:10 p.m.

    the Jazz have their pick chosen,

    now the GM needs to do his job and hire a coach

  • Farmhand20 Vernal, UT
    May 20, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    Could someone please take that Gilbert kids bow tie, and run it through a shredder ?


    I think you are right, it is rigged. Cleveland ? 1.7 percent chance and they win? Not only win, but win the lottery 3 of the last 4 years. Unbelievable. This way they can trade the number 1 pick along with other pieces to the Heat, and get Lebron back. Makes a great story and the NBA knows it.


    I agree trade back, unless they can somehow trade up and get at least #2.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 20, 2014 10:43 p.m.


    well...i just cant always think negative....anyway...i like the idea of trading down...or trading up....outside the 3...everyone else are of the same caliber..i still think we shouldnt have drafted trey burke....

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:06 p.m.

    Jazz will take McDermott (Hayward 2.0).

  • UU Provo, UT
    May 20, 2014 10:05 p.m.


    I like the way you are thinking, however the Jazz could offer the #5 and #23 picks along with Hayward and Kanter but the Cavs still wouldn't give up the #1 pick.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:56 p.m.


    Who says Cleveland has luck? I think the NBA has demonstrated clearly that the lottery is RIGGED!

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    May 20, 2014 8:23 p.m.

    Trading anything for Kevin Love would be a waste. He's not going to want to stay in Minnesota and if the Jazz traded for him he would resign to stay here either. Just another example of the disadvantage small market teams are up against in the NBA.

  • Sports21 Cedar City, Utah
    May 20, 2014 8:09 p.m.

    Do not trade for Kevin Love just so he can turn around and sign with la a year later

  • Sports21 Cedar City, Utah
    May 20, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    I have been a JAZZ FAN for life, my advice is trade back.. After the top three the tAlent doesn't change much through 12-14.. Trade back and take McDermott please then try to pick up another first rounder and take stauskas if possible.. Then with our 23rd take early from Wichita state.. If you do this we will be elite for years.. I could also see James young being the next James harden in the league if you don't want McDermott take him.. Don't keep the 5th pick Vonlegh and Randell are not worth the value you could get in this draft.. Unfortunate we got the nba effect and lebron leaving Cleveland is still effecting the league..

    May 20, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    I hope the Jazz will select Randle if he's available. He's like a finished product, much like Parker, even though both of those guys are only freshmen. He would be able to step in and contribute right away. Just don't get Aaron Gordon. He can't even make a free throw (42%). And as far as athleticism is concerned, there are a lot of players who can jump high like Gordon (look at our own Evans, for example). But Gordon can't shoot a jump shot, either. He's also not that competitive. And I'm not that sold on Vonleh, either.

    If Randle is availed at #5, I think he's the best bet.

  • GaryS Leesburg, VA
    May 20, 2014 7:45 p.m.

    "With the fifth pick in the 2014 NBA Draft, the Utah Jazz select Coach Jerry Sloan of McLeansboro, Illinois."

    I can dream, right?

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    May 20, 2014 7:11 p.m.

    The jazz should trade 5 with Hayward for the 1. Then they should take one of the main three.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    May 20, 2014 7:10 p.m.

    That tanking really paid off didn't it. I'm sure we will now win the nba championship just like Dennis made the spurs do!

  • PhilRM Anchorage, AK
    May 20, 2014 6:57 p.m.

    The Jazz should trade their #5 pick along with a player or two, ie. Hayward, to the Timberwolves for Kevin Love. He doesn't want to be in Minnesota and he would be a nice complement to our lineup. It would allow Favors to play the 4, and open more options for Burke and Burkes.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    May 20, 2014 6:49 p.m.

    Curses! Foiled again!

  • Man in Charge Chihuahua, 00
    May 20, 2014 6:44 p.m.

    Maybe we will get lucky and Cleveland will draft Vonleh or something.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    May 20, 2014 6:43 p.m.

    So what the Jazz ain't got no coach.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    May 20, 2014 6:43 p.m.

    wow...cleveland many number 1 picks have they had....since lebron left cleveland....jumping from 9th to 1st....insane luck they have in cleveland for getting good position on draft hasnt translated in to for our 5th pick...i say...Noah Vonleh....stretch 4...with freakish physical traits....can be a solid defender....can shoot threes....Julius Randle...would produce....but i like Vonleh better since he could stretch the that leaves a 6th man...i just hope the Jazz wont reach for someone...