George F. Will: Stark choices in Illinois

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  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2014 10:29 p.m.

    The state of Utah isn't that great. We have high taxes, horrible winter inversions, a nanny run state legislature, low paying jobs and we also have 25 billion dollars in long term debt.

    But hey our great legislators get health care for life.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    May 17, 2014 6:28 a.m.

    Thank goodness we don't live in Illinois. With Utah's pension reform done, the competetive advantage for Utah's businesses should just get more apparent with time do to lower individual and corporate taxes that won't have to be raised to pay for pensions the rest of us don't enjoy!

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 16, 2014 7:44 a.m.


    The economy continues to improve? Not really. Here are some numbers. Over 800 thousand not in labor force that used to be. (and that is not due to retirements). Labor force participation is at a 35 year low. 63%. Employment to population ratio 59%, lower than in 2009. Globle growth down, at 52%. No wage increase for workers. Not a good economy.

  • Cincinnatus Kearns, UT
    May 15, 2014 5:27 p.m.

    Sorry Patriot, but you need to check your history here a little:

    New York's mayors for 20 years, 1994 until 2014, were Republicans/Independents.

    BOTH Republicans and Democrats are to blame- because beyond a few high profile issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.) they ALL do the same thing: give lip service to the people and waste money at our expense.

    You are also picking and choosing which states to represent as best and worst. Look at unemployment rates within the states- There is a mixture of Republican and Democratic leaning states at both the bottom AND top of that list. Conservatism isn't perfect, but neither is Liberalism. It is a mixture of the two that tend to work well. It's when extremists of either side claim that ONLY their policies will work, that problem occur.

  • David Centerville, UT
    May 15, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    Patriot hit the nail on the head. We see the effects of liberalism on full display in NY, Illinois, Detroit, New Hampshire, California...They are all struggling under the failed vision and policies of liberalism.

    Liberals try to dodge their poor management and failed policies by blaming Bush, Europe, the weather, China, S. America...anything but looking in the mirror and truthfully acknowledging their own weak position.

    BTW, Bush was not a conservative with regards to economics and fiscal policy. Most Republicans are not happy with him either. But the Great Recession was set up in the 90's by...Liberals. No surprise there.

    "Let my people go". This Mosaic phrase uttered millennia ago could well be shouted from the roof tops today. America needs to turn away from liberalism, returning to freedom, federalism, and the principles of our founding fathers that worked well the past 200+ years.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 15, 2014 2:38 p.m.


    Gary - stop with the tired old liberal excuses. Detroit and LA and NY have been run by liberals (governors and mayors and legislatures) for decades and that is why they are crumbling. The socialist policies and the BIG unions have ruined these state economies and there is no ducking from that anymore but nice try. Not one of these states has a Republican governor - not one. You mentioned all the problems in these states and like a typical liberal you use the blame game on foreign competition. Well Texas is booming and I can guarantee you if Texas was under liberal leadership it would be just like the other liberal states. The reason?? Liberals would have shut down ALL energy production on public land. California is dying and the reason is directly related to liberal immigration policy and giganitc taxes. High tech companies are leaving Silicon Valley for Texas and that trend is only going to increase. You liberals just don't get it - you will never get it. Look at ALL the Republican run states - the majority are doing GREAT compared to the liberal run states. Liberalism is a disaster. Numbers don't lie Gary.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    May 15, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    @SC Fan
    Yes, this is BO's economy and no matter how conservatives spin it is in a much better place than what it was when he came into office, and it continues to improve! The truth may hurt but Bush and the conservative tax and spending bills he got thru congress, and the ones he failed to address, in his first term caused the melt down. Any economist worth a salt supported the goverment's deficit spending after the crash to avoid a total melt down of our economy. Familarized yourself with Keynesian economics and it's proven track record.

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 15, 2014 11:56 a.m.


    Sorry pal, but in fact there were pictures I saw of Obama using his middle finger as if he were scratching his nose in that sneaky way to give the finger, and it was directed right at Paul Ryan who had just gotten through giving Obama the economic facts of life and who has about 10 times more knowledge than Obama about the economy. And you forget that the stimilus was specifically for infrastructure jobs. Roads, bridges, ect. Remember the "shovel ready jobs"? I guess you don't, but even Obama himself said that "I guess there were not as many shovel ready jobs as we had hoped for". Almost a direct quote from him. As for the bad economy, that was facilitated by the housing market collapse, and that is tracable directly back to the Clinton administration policy of forcing lenders to loan money to unqualified people. Thank you Bill Clinton. And, even if you want to believe that the economic collapse was Bushs fault, you still can't defend Obamas lackluster recovery on Republicans. This is Obamas economy now anyway you look at it. Live with it.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 15, 2014 10:30 a.m.


    Sorry man, but NOTHING you just said is in any way true.

    Obama never got a Job’s bill passed. The Stimulus did help the nation quite a lot. For one thing, it lowered taxes for 95% of Americans for two years, and Republicans still hated it. But it was not a Jobs’ Bill. That bill was offered in 2011, and then immediately shot down by irresponsible Right Wingers.

    Of course food stamp recipients were plentiful, as well as the unemployed, but that is what happens when you allow a Republican to occupy the White House for 8 years and leave the nation and its economy in shambles.

    Would you rather see people starving on the streets? . . . or Prostituting their children for food? Would that have been more consistent with your “Conservative” ideology?” It would, wouldn’t it?

    And no, Obama neither literally nor metaphorically gave Republicans the middle finger. Apparently, you don’t know what “literally” means. Obama has continually reached out, and he’s been rebuffed.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 15, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Patriot –

    No, what all these cities have in common is that they are MAJOR American cities and have been so for a long time. Their major industries have been lost and weakened due to foreign competition. They also have crumbling infrastructure that needs refurbishment at the very least, and they need new infrastructure. It costs money to maintain and build infrastructure, and that money can only come from taxes. They also have very little in the way tourism or mineral resources, unlike the states out west with national parks and massive amounts of coal, oil, copper, silver, etc. that can add to the state coffers.

    Wyoming is credited as being the most well run state, but it has all kinds of mineral wealth and very few people, so yes, there’s going to be plenty of money for government, and it’s easy to run a surplus.

    Or are you suggesting that the Republicans in Wyoming are inherently superior to the Republicans in Utah?

    How do you justify that?

  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    May 15, 2014 9:40 a.m.


    Obama spent almost a trillion dollars when he took office as his "jobs bill" and it didn't do a thing to help the unemployed. Not the Republicans fault. They didn't even have the House when that happened. Even today, almost 6 years later, the unemployed are still high. The number who quit looking for work grow. The food stamp recipients at all time high. And when the Republicans did try to work with him, Obama literally gave the middle finger to them. Why don't you just admit that Obama has not been an economic success, instead of trying to blame every Republican for his failures.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    May 15, 2014 9:01 a.m.

    with cites like Detroit and LA and NY deteriorating at alarming speed and the taxes in these cities and their parent states so ridiculously high and unlivable I see mass exodus from these states coming in the next 5 years. Notice all the commericals about the silly "tax free zones" in NY state. The real question is why is NY even having to make these commericals in the first place? The reason - people are leaving and taking their busienss with them. The same is happening in LA and Detroit is in shambles now being only half the size it was 20 years ago. What do all these cities and states have in common?? They are ALL run by liberals and Democrats. Enough said. States like Texas, Utah, the Dakotas will be growing in size as people seek refuge from the cancer of liberalism. Unless we change the White House and the US senate to conservative hands there will be no safe haven soon.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    May 15, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    More inane words from another Right Wing “Pundit.”

    In this piece, George Will is essentially blaming the obstructionism of Republicans in the US Congress and GW's Great Recession (and it's horrible, lingering aftereffects) on Democrats.

    Obama's 2011 Jobs’ bill would have put millions of Americans back to work, especially those in high population Democratic states, most of them in dire need of infrastructure upgrades. Of course, that bill was shot down by regressive and irresponsible Republicans in Congress.

    You're wrong as usual George. I wish I could say, "Nice try," but that would not be a true summary of your efforts. But I can accurately say, "The Koch Brothers are behind you one hundred percent."

    “ . . . contemporary liberalism's only other idea, rage against the rich . . . “

    Gosh George, you should tell Bill Gates and Warren Buffet, the two richest Liberals in America, how much rage they feel against themselves. They may not have noticed their self-loathing.

    Go for it George. Your words make evident the relatively worth of the Right Wing thought process.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    May 15, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    I feel fortunate to live in a state and a city where the legislature and the governor and other elected leaders have provided fairly high quality governance. Unfortunately I have to put up with Utah winters to get this benefit.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    May 15, 2014 8:02 a.m.

    Ah Illinois. With Detroit, the perfect examples of liberalism, and its accompanying corruption, running everything it touches into the ground.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    May 15, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    And yet America twice elected as President a guy right out of the "Chicago way." Good call America. Keep that up with Hillary, another Chicagoite, and our nation will be where Illinois is now. Or, maybe it already surpasses Illinois what with 17.5 trillion owed. Yeah, good call America.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2014 7:19 a.m.

    "...the speaker of the House, Michael Madigan, who has been a legislator since Richard Nixon was president (1971)."

    And therein lies Illinois' root problem. Like any garden left unattended, weeds eventually become the primary crop.

    Having someone who has been in **any** institution for 43 years, particularly one with the power and potential corruptibility of the leader of a governing body, is a sure sign that the "garden" has been neglected.....for a long time.

    There are some long-term political types here in Utah that indicate the same thing. At least one U.S. senator comes to mind.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 15, 2014 5:12 a.m.

    In spite of all the evidence, liberals manage to hang on to their outdated beliefs. Let's just see if Illinois is suicidal or not.