Finding a place for a Utah independent

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  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    May 13, 2014 6:44 a.m.

    @2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT


    I re-quote my GOP delegate...

    "If the EPA is for it, then I'm against it."

    THAT is how the GOP represents me and my precinct.

    Rhetorical Story, proven...

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2014 1:42 p.m.

    @LDS Liberal,

    Re "wander just one teensy nanno-meter from the uber-far-righthand side of the pegged politco-o-meter ... The GOP doesn't want you"...


    Let's fact-check your over-the-top hypothetical rant... with a real story, from a real person, based on ACTUAL first person experience (not hypothetical stories from a rhetoric intoxicated and partisan frenzied mind)... "

    I'm an "Independent" (kinda). I'm at least a nano-meter left of the uber-right...

    Didn't register as a Republican until a few years ago (and only then because they required it for voting in their primary).

    So... by your theory.... they don't want me...

    au contraire mon frere...
    Ever since I registered they have been sending me emails and inviting me to meetings and parties (and asking for money of course)... it's like I'm the most popular guy on the block all of a sudden!

    They REALLY seem to want me! (even though I'm a nano-meter left of the uber-right)!

    Rhetorical Story debunked...

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 12, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    Sorry --

    But this is Utah politics we're talking --

    And just ONE tick off the narrow Partyline,
    just one moment of doubt, question or any independant thinking at all,
    wander just one teensy nanno-meter from the uber-far-righthand side of the pegged politco-o-meter -- and "you" are a RINO!

    Might as well be Gay, live in a Tee-Pee, smoking pot, become an atheist, and perform only late trimester partial birth abortions for birthcontrol!

    The GOP doesn't want you.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 12, 2014 12:18 p.m.

    Salt Lake City, UT
    I don't think multi-party politics will make a return in Utah until the next massive economic crisis - something like 1929. The 30's gave Utah a multi-party system.


    I thought it was when Utah was 100% Democrat,
    and Brigham Young was forced to split LDS Wards right down the middle.

    This side of the aisle votes Democrat,
    but now this side of the aisle must vote Republican.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 12, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    I consider myself "independent". But I'm a pragmatic "Independent". I won't throw my vote away anymore (Did it a few times... the feeling was not what I expected). I ended up getting Clinton elected (because I didn't like Bush Sr). But I liked Bush better than Clinton...


    I end up voting Republican more often than Democrat. So recently I registered Republican, so I could vote in their primary, to increase the chances that somebody I liked would be on the final ballot... I got real tired of never having anybody I wanted on the final ballot.

    I still have to hold my nose and vote for a stinker from time to time (because nobody I really want is on the ballot, but there is somebody I really DON'T want to win).... It's better than throwing your vote away, which insures the Democrat (who is usually 3rd on my list) wins.

    Try it...

    Remember... Registering Republican doesn't mean you MUST vote Republican.

    I don't vote any differently after registering than I did before. And nobody's called me up to see why I voted for some Democrats and some Independents...

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    I don't think multi-party politics will make a return in Utah until the next massive economic crisis - something like 1929. The 30's gave Utah a multi-party system. That's long gone now. I don't think most LDS are comfortable with democratic (small d here) procedures. They want to "vote" for one slate of candidates. This is not to say that non-Republicans shouldn't try to be ready - the next crisis could be closer than we think. But non-Republicans are going to have to take the long view and bide their time (might not be so long after all).

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 12, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    Just look at how Utah Republicans have treated Bob Bennett and John Huntsman Jr.

    And then ask yourself,
    What's wrong with this picture?

    Have "the people" of Utah really changed,
    or is it truely just the party?

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    May 11, 2014 9:31 a.m.

    Through time Utah is becoming more diverse, both religiously and from a political standpoint.

    But in looking at the Legislature, you would think all of Utah is like Utah County.

    Winner-take-all politics and creative Gerry-mandering make our political powers seem far more powerful than they really are. Evidence of this over-leveraged situation include the "County My Vote" initiative, the public rejection of school vouchers, etc.

    There is the political reality inside the parties and the Legislature, and then there is the larger reality of what the public thinks, and they're not the same thing.

    At some point in the future Republicans in Utah will be scrambling to attract moderate voters, and the far right will find they're not nearly as powerful or representative as they believe they are now.

  • Ordinary Guy Centerville, Davis, UT
    May 11, 2014 8:43 a.m.

    What a wonderful opinion piece. I wholeheartedly agree. As a life long Republican and a participating delegate at County and State conventions, I believe the current state of politics in Utah is dangerous. I hope for more independents and even moderate Democrats to take office.

    Thanks for including this in your publication.

  • Owen Heber City, UT
    May 11, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Great letter. I suggest you go one step further and join the ranks of the "unaffiliated." Allegiance to parties has always baffled me and (second to allegiance to donors) is the root of our political dysfunction. Just as there is enough good in all major parties, there is enough to be cautious of in all parties to avoid affiliation and vote the issues.

    Strange that voters are chased into or away from political parties depending on a party's focus (or prioritization of) abortion or gay rights, national defense/war, guns, the environment, socioeconomic inequality, etc. they are all "moral" issues. All affect life. And life is life - pre-birth or post-birth.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 11, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    The opening line describes your problem perfectly. There's no middling. You're one of us, or you're one of (with disdain) them.
    If you're doomed to be an outcast, embrace it.

  • STB Pleasant Grove, UT
    May 11, 2014 7:49 a.m.

    I have stared to come to this realization myself. I have been a registered Republican since I was 18 and before that was a major 'dittohead' in all sense of the word. As I grew up in California I saw the transition in power from a Rep to a Dem government. Since moving to Utah I have come to realize that in many way the tea party infiltration into the Republican party has ruined it beyond repair, now the organization is a party of uninformed blowhards just like the liberal Democrats they rally against. The whole Cliven Bundy mess proves that. Though there are some components of both platforms that give me pause, others give me hope.

    This article might have just allowed me to realize that I should abandon my party affiliation. The letter next to a candidate's name shouldn't be the reason you should vote for that person. That is how John Swallow ended up in office.

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    May 11, 2014 7:36 a.m.

    Great editorial. I feel the same way. Too many people have a religious reverence for their chosen political party, leading to bad government and political intolerance. I also used to be a registered Republican and have also registered as an independent after realizing how terrible the political parties have become.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    May 11, 2014 7:23 a.m.

    Ahhhh a call for civic virtue how nice but alas people have little of it and they are easily swayed by either chants from the right or the left and they easily sell themselves to one cause or another because they lack the desire to do the real work of self governance. Thus, parties prevail and they pander to the base instincts that come when one surrenders their own critical thinking for the laziness of a simple message that plays on their fears. A sad state of affairs but easily predicted given natural human tendencies.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 11, 2014 1:35 a.m.

    We have independents in both the major parties. Take Powell for example. If he was anymore moderate, he would be a democratic member. He isn't.

    Many bills pass or fail 37 to 38 in the House. That means most bills are not voted on party line.

    Utah will invest $4 Billion for K-12 Education. With 600,000 students, you have to target where to invest and adding $1,000 per student is a drop in the bucket but would still require and $600 Million tax increase. Not going to happen.

    In 1976 it was Congress that violated our statehood enabling act with FLIPMA. We have 3 choices, let them violate our agreement and let our schools suffer, make the Feds sell the public land, to who, Chinga, or 3, Utah manage the land. Obviously the 3rd option makes sense, especially if you look at Utah's Art. 18 and 20.