One day attitudes and beliefs will swing back again, they always do. Will you be
comfortable then with Eric Walsh type thinkers choosing whether you can work in
any certain field? That is, if the common practice is to examine your beliefs to
see if they conform to the thinking of Eric Walsh. He will not look at your
qualifications and work ethic so much as try to examine your beliefs.I
listened to his sermon and some messages made me uncomfortable and I completely
disagree with. Big Whoop! I work with people daily I completely disagree with on
religion and politics. Many of these people I really really like too.Just
a note about Eric Walsh's qualifications and past work history:A
Physician who is a well known world wide Public Heath Physician. He has served
on several Presidential councils on HIV/AIDS and was past president of
California Preventive Medicine Society. He has citations for helping poor
Several commenters wrote that a person cannot work in the field of science if
their religious beliefs are not consistent with current scientific theories.
Wow. Consider how many people work at jobs where they don't believe in
requirements or law or theories concerning their work? People who verbalize
these objections at work, let alone at a church in private time. Construction
workers or contractors who believe a current regulation is just silly. Lawyers,
police who prosecute or defend law they personally think is wrong. Doctors who
treat patients in way that is required by insurance but certainly not what they
personally would recommend. Even people who even personally dislike you for
whatever reason still manage to interact with you and accomplish whatever task
is needed to get done. But if you think something is a sin or influence of
Satan, well that is different. Or think evolution is wrong but do not act in
your job in any way inappropriately well... you cannot be allowed to seek
employment in your field.
What's interesting here is that no one is commenting on his actual job
performance. Is there any indication that his personal beliefs have negatively
impacted his ability to perform his job?When someone implies that he
might treat gays differently, or AIDS patients differently because he believes
their lifestyle is a sin, it says more about the commenter than Mr. Walsh. Your
assumption that he is incapable of separating the act from the person and caring
about people regardless of the choices they have made in life indicates that you
may be incapable of that , but says nothing of him.If we are going
to discredit and fire anyone and everyone whose beliefs and words we disagree
with because of what they "might" do then, well, welcome to Minority
@I know it. I Live it. I Love it: "I call for an investigation of the people
investigating this man."Imagine, for a moment, if the head of
epidemiology at the CDC was making public speeches at his church with an
anti-vaccination slant. An investigation might be in order. Imagine
finding out the surgeon about to operate on you gives sermons saying disease is
caused by demons, not germs... Would you investigate a bit before letting him
treat you? Dude is supposed to be a scientist, running a public
agency that uses science in response to public health issues. We
find that he is making anti-science remarks in public speeches. The
public needs some answers. Religion is fine. Superstition in place
of science is not.
I call for an investigation of the people investigating this man.Dare they threaten him, bully him, get him fired, or do any more harm than
they already have... I say we suspend their right to live in a free country. If
you don't accept religious freedom, move to North Korea, China, or Iran...
where you can join their religious police and force you views on others. As for
the U.S.A., we won't tolerate that tyranny here.I know one
thing for sure... that what is good will stand and what is evil will fall. With
how much this has escalated, I imagine a pretty hard fall is coming soon.
@bj-hpPeople have been saying that we are in the last days, the days
the prophets spoke of, the days when good is bad and bad is good for well over
2,000 years. Let me make a little prophecy of my own here. Very soon same sex
marriage will become legal across America and then nothing bad will happen as a
result. People will go on with their lives, gay people will get married, raise
kids, other people will get married and raise their kids too. Decades will pass
and people will look back at today and say "what were people so worried
about?"And of course there will be some other issues going on in
the future and there will be people saying it's the last days and the days
the prophets spoke of and just you wait, any minute now it will be the end. And
then centuries will go by and people will look back on Christianity in the exact
same way we look at Greek Mythology.
@Tekakaromatagi: "How is that relevant to this discussion? Seventh Day
adventists run hospitals in third world countries."This is not
about "Seventh Day Adventists" doing anything. This is about this
individual. However, we will follow that. If one of the individuals
running one of those hospital gave sermons where he said there is no such thing
as germs, that infections are caused by demons, and microbiologists and
infectious disease experts all serve Satan there would be a legitimate concern
about his ability to function as a leader in a scientific setting. This gentleman has done the same thing. Now, perhaps he can compartmentalize
and separate his superstitions from his work... Or maybe he can't. And, it
is reasonable to have serious concerns about the long-term functioning of
somebody who has this level of cognitive dissonance.The internet may
have taken us to an era where we can clearly see the disconnections between
science and superstition, and actively question those who claim superstition is
their private life while purporting to function as rational human beings in
their professional lives.
@Quaker:"Would you support a Highway Supervisor who believed people
weren't meant to travel faster than a horse? Or that motor vehicles were
satanic contraptions?" No I would not. How is that relevant to this
discussion? Seventh Day adventists run hospitals in third world countries. You
seem to be stumbling badly on some of your stereotypes.
I sometimes see the Seventh-Day Adventist Church called a Protestant church.
Having grown up in a Protestant church, I can tell you some Adventist beliefs
are unique and don't fall under Protestant beliefs.
A Quaker brings up a good point while highlighting some of the hypocrisy of how
the Director was treated. He has expressed his views about homosexuality and
other social issues and been judged by the political correctness standards of
today. I am sure that he has also expressed negative remarks about smoking,
alcoholism, and other social ills but nobody is faulting him with regards to how
he deals with various health programs geared towards those problems. I think
that fear of the LGBT community is driving any actions taken here.
@ironANDclay: There is speech and there is action. The concern is over his
action, or lack thereof.The correct way to deal with public health
diseases is to establish effective programs to deal with them. Smoking
cessation programs. Drug treatment and rehab for alcoholics and addicts. Safe
sex education programs and condom distribution for sexually active singles (gay
AND straight). STD clinics. Dietary guidelines. Diabetes screening.
Colorectal screening. Drunk driving reduction programs. HPV vaccination.Most cities have some or all of these, and they're cost-effective.
AND they educate the public.Simply condemning all the sinners and
blaming them for their own problems, and so refusing to do anything about it, is
not in the job description.Does this man also oppose holding blood
drives? Is he against all vaccination programs? Does he drag his feet and
deflect action on these important health programs because of his expressed faith
and lack of belief in science? These are legitimate concerns of the people who
Wait a minute are people complaining that a guy saying stupid things does not
deserve to be fired by his employer? If I said anything in the list in the story
in a public setting my employers knew about I would be fired so quickly I would
not hear the "Don't let the door hit you on the way out.....".
I support azkid in the boycott of Pasadena Rose parade and Pasadena bowl games.
Also....I will no longer allow myself or family to listen to "The Little Old
Lady from Pasadena" by the beach boys.Tongue in cheek, but
what's up with not allowing people to speak freely about behavior that
contributes to public health diseases?
It is reasonable for your employer to question whether you are capable of doing
the job they hired you for when your religious teachings are contrary to the
mission of your public service employment. In this case, not just the teachings
of a religion that he passively attends, but his own teachings standing at the
pulpit.A public director of health needs to be able to deal with
public health crises and other community needs without regard to who those
citizens are, and with the best tools modern practice brings to it. If
he's starting with a biased view and potentially withholding services,
that's not acceptable. If he's rejecting the scientific basis of his
profession, that's also not good.If you can compartmentalize
your religious views such that they won't interfere with the performance of
your duties, there's no issue. But if you stand up and announce your
opposition to important or necessary aspects of your job, then that isn't
the appropriate job for you. Would you support a Highway Supervisor who
believed people weren't meant to travel faster than a horse? Or that motor
vehicles were satanic contraptions?
A public health administrator who doesn't have a firm grasp on scientific
reality is unqualified for that job.
Mr. Walsh was the SECOND person invited to speak. The first invitee was a gay
rights advocate who was disinvited when some private photos of him were stolen
and posted on the internet. The kids at the school were upset at the
school's decision, and became even more upset when Mr. Walsh's sermons
were discovered online. The school has since re-invited the gay rights advocate
to be the commencement speaker. The City of Pasadena is assessing
whether, given Mr. Walsh's stated beliefs - including his apparent
disregard for scientific knowledge - he can effectively act as the city's
public health officer. It has also been learned that Mr. Walsh did not disclose
the money he was paid for preaching despite signing a form declaring that he had
disclosed all other income.
Boycott the Rose Bowl and Rose Parade.
During World War I music by Beethoven was banned in some places because
Beethoven was German. This seems like a McCarthyism red scare hysteria and,
hopefully, after a few years people will start to go, "Geez, we've been
acting really dumb." More and more it seems like California is a whole lot
less progressive and liberal and open to diversity as we've been led to
It's absolutely chilling the left's attack on freedom of religion and
freedom of conscience.Do we really want to live in country were only
politically correct and approved voices are allowed to speak publically without
punishment?__@Tyler DIf you silence or
punish all voices you disagree with or of people you do not like for what ever
reason, then what do have? A very chilling attack on free speech.Doesn't sound like a good thing to me no matter your intentions.Certaintly not what the founding father wanted.
People it is only going to get worse as those who call for tolerance are
intolerant of those who view their lifestyle as against the norms for society.
There are many especially Latter Day Saints and others who will teach that
having same sex attraction itself is not sinful but the act is. We are now in
the age as spoken of by prophets of old where good is called evil and evil good.
As this becomes more prominent as the left completely silences those that are
vocal that it will in the end lead to mob rule by some and that is even
happening today with the boycotts and other things as they persecute those that
are on the Lord's side.
Apparently the Bible's teachings are not welcome in the City of Pasadena
California.Whatever happened to freedom of conscience?
"Topics discussed by Walsh at the pulpit include: homosexuality as a sin;
Oprah, JAY Z, Beyonce ... as examples of the spirit of anti-Christ;
Darwin’s theory of evolution as a satanic belief; and describing the
prophet Muhammad, founder of Islam, as a Satanist,"Contrary to
what many believe, you can be fired for being a delusional jerk (and these above
comments speak for themselves in that regard). The Constitution does not
guarantee speech free of any social consequences, only free from government
prohibition.Heck, the comment about evolution alone should
disqualify him from ever holding a science related position.Good
luck in your next career Dr…