Flashback,My experience is pretty much the opposite to yours.As an out of state applicant, attending BYU was a WAY cheaper
alternative for me than going to my school of choice, the University of Utah. I
attended BYU on an academic scholarship, then went to the U for medical
school.I enjoyed my time at BYU, but believe that I would have
enjoyed the U even more.I expect BYU gets a big boost in its
application and acceptance numbers because it is the nation's most heavily
subsidized private university.The article entitled "BYU's
new president hailed as brilliant, kind, compassionate" in last week's
DN is a worthwhile read. He sounds like a wonderful man, and he has said
interesting things about the tuition at BYU.
Sorry Ubees. Foiled again. I'm one of those that couldn't get into
the Y but had no trouble getting into the U. I'm a U alum but a Y fan.
Only went to the U because I had to.
Really? We all know that BYU offers a much higher quality education than utah.
Must we remind everyone that the one thing BYU and uofu students have in common
is that they both applied to BYU. BYU has a national and international
reputation for good in the world. utah has a regional reach at best.
BYU's tuition is 36% cheaper for Latter-day Saints from the state of Utah,
and 80% cheaper for non-LDS students from outside the state. As a private
institution, it can offer more seats to out of state applicants than the
University of Utah can.And that amounts to BYU getting 69 more
applications than Utah did?Wow....
Poor ekute is sad again
The 'sharpest tool in the shed' is a relative term here. Grades are
given and produced by the university (BYU) and earned by its' students who
are dedicated to the church, and the latter makes up department subject matter
as inductively connected. If you're all in and converted to the academic
coupling of church and school (doctrinal education), then yes high grades and
education seem comparable to something academically defined as the 'sharper
school' belief. The problem for many is that they don't see it that
way. Comparing BYU to Harvard above sounds nice to those with affection towards
BYU, but most find BYU academically very far behind Harvard. Don't get me wrong, getting into BYU is a very credible accomplishment.
BYU students narrow down (specialize) their vision and production. But others
look to expand their mind at a university in a greater multitude of ways, or so
they might argue, meaning the sharpest tool assessment is again a statement of
opinion and relative description rather than fact. Saying otherwise is arrogant.
But prideful close minded academics , rather liberal, conservative, religious or
secular all think this way. Being truly open and tolerant can be attained as
Here are the admitted numbers if I did it correctly:BYU admitted
4,365UoU admitted 3,165USU admitted 3,863I am a little
surprised that UoU was at 34% and USU was higher at 44%. Maybe tuition cost is
hurting the UoU and this helps USU since it has a lower tuition and living cost.
BYU's strict acceptance requirements are a testament to their quality.
Although it likely deters some from even applying, making this statistic even
more meaningful. I didn't know BYUI accepted 100%.
The real irony of the cold fusion fiasco is that the folks at the U were so
concerned about beating BYU's Stephen Jones to the punch that they
overplayed their hand. If they had been focused on their own work instead of on
beating someone else, it might have played out differently.That's what petty rivalries get you.
Old But Not Stupid,You mock the cold fusion research done at the U
by Pons and Fleishmann but the research goes on despite the big missteps made by
the two U researchers at the time. Here is an update from April 16, 2014: There are at least four contenders in the race to bring a cold-fusion
powered heat-producing device to market in the near future. These are the Rossi
E-cat project now based in North Carolina under the aegis of a new firm called
Industrial Heat; the Brillouin and SRI effort to develop a nuclear reaction
boiler out in California; the Defkalion Green Technology’s effort in
Vancouver and Greece to market a heat producing device later this year; and
finally BlackLight Power’s radically different “hydrino”
technology which, if it proves to work at a commercial scale, could trump all
eastcoastcoug: I sure didn't apply to BYU.
@Old But Not Stupid, Moorpark, CARe: "Ute fans/alums might also
want to temper the assertions about GREAT science"...BYU is a
great school. I went to both. But your pretense that UofU doesn't have a
good reputation on science is silly.The University of Utah is ranked
47th in the U.S. (of 108 research universities) and 82nd in the world (of over
500 research universities).The University of Utah received over $309
million in research and student aid funding from external sources and ranks 15th
in the nation for significant awards to faculty for research efforts.I'd put the amount of scientific research coming out of the U up against
any University in the State (including BYU).Both have their
advantages and disadvantages...
CodyCougarMadison, SD"A story like this only creates more
Ute resentment and adds to the ever-thickening wall of separation."Disclosure: I attended neither school.I agree with Cody's
comment, and I believe that this fact--a little story increases resentment and
separation--exposes a lack of self-esteem/self-worth by those showing their
resentment and animosity. I think this is very odd, given the the
proclamations communicating just the opposite by those who think think the U is
better than sliced bread. I mean cheer your alma mater on, but drop the
juvenile "my dad can whip your dad".But the Ute fans/alums
might also want to temper the assertions about GREAT science. Where I come from
"cold fusion" is little more than a dirty word.
DutchmanMurray, UT"The State of Utah is not a great
supporter of its flag ship university."It does not have to
be.....they have their prestigious cash cow PAC-12 athletics to help pay for
things.....along with the Eccles and the Huntsmans.
Sorry, but these schools are not even comparable, in my opinion. I did my
undergraduate work at BYU and my graduate work at the U. Would never go back to
school at the U, but would return to BYU in a heartbeat. I am encouraging my
kids to go to BYU. But if they don't make it in there, then to Utah State.
I told them they are on their own if they go to the U.
I went to both schools. Gotta say BYU was far better in the sciences in which I
graduated. At the time I graduated from the UofU a great many students failed
the Botany portion of the GRE which was a graduation requirement for biology
students. The U of U's solution was to drop the requirement and let them
graduate. Might be much different now, but I was so p/o'd at the school
that I refused to attend graduation. I would have stayed at BYU, but I was
paying my own way..lived two blocks from the U and really had no choice.
I have attended both the U and BYU, and in my opinion, BYU is not a real
university. At a real university like the U, different ideas are welcomed and
discussed. At BYU only approved ideas are welcome. This is why BYU does not have
advanced degree programs in "controversial" subjects (like English and
This is the only time you will see BYU "edge" Utah. Everything
else is a blowout.
An interesting number comes form the Utah ACT State Profile.The
first number below is the number of students reporting at the time of the test
their top post-secondary choice. The second number, is the percent of students
with an ACT score of 24 or more. Of state schools, Utah State University, has
the admirable academic profile using this metric.BRIGHAM YOUNG
UNIVERSITY 4,143 52% UTAH STATE UNIVERSITY 3,134 38% UNIVERSITY OF UTAH 5,198 34%UTAH VALLEY UNIVERSITY 1,975
28%WEBER STATE UNIVERSITY 1,901 24%
I don't know that stories like this get us anywhere. UU is a local school
with a commission to serve a local populace. BYU is a national caliber school
that courts high-end academic students. More and more Utah students will--by
necessity, have to chose a Utah school as BYU continues to attract out of state
academic talent. "Most desired" is an exceptionally misleading
characterization. A story like this only creates more Ute resentment and adds
to the ever-thickening wall of separation.
After reading the article I couldn't help thinking about apples and
There is nothing wrong with applying to Utah - in fact I'd recommend it to
most students in the area. A "fall back" plan is always a good idea in
Here's a pat on the head for byu. I don't know what else to make of
@ Brave Sir RobinI went to BYU for chemistry (that is science by the way)
and went on to get a PhD from a top 20 school. Most of the graduates that year
went on to get PhD's from Harvard, Yale, Wisconsin, Illinois, CalTech,
etc., which are some of the best graduate schools in the world. I'll
agree that BYU's science grad programs aren't all that great, but the
undergrad programs are fantastic! From my experience, most schools are only good
at one or the other. It all depends on where the professors put their focus.
Most Nobel prize winning professors couldn't care less about the lowly
undergraduates who get in the way of their research, 99% of which is done by
'Brave' Sir Robin,I like the University of Utah OK but,
unless you're from Utah, what's the point? There are plenty of great
state schools and other universities around the country. Many or most Utah
students commute from home and most are LDS (a whopping 83% from Utah).
Where's the diversity? The majority of U. students are White and LDS and
only 3% belong to fraternities. It's not that different from the average
SLC high school. If you want diversity, don't stick around and go to school
in the state of Utah.
Its funny to compare the headlines on the salt lake tribune to the headlines of
the Deseret news. At least one newspaper in this state knows what real news
still is and I don't think its very hard to know which one it is.
Wow! This story leveled me with a tsunami of indifference! I may not recover for
. . wait; what was I saying?
This is not surprising. Thanks to the generous support provided by the LDS
Church tuition is now lower at BYU than it is at the U. The State of Utah will
only provide 40% of the funds required to get an undergraduate education at the
U. 35 years ago that allocation covered 75% of the cost. Also, the facilities
at BYU for the students are top notch. The LDS Church provides much of the
funding needed to build and maintain those facilities. The U is constructing a
much needed on campus student recreation and health center. The State of Utah
did not allocate one dime towards its construction although it is for the
students. It had to be funded by the Eccles family and an increase in the
student activity fees which added to the cost of tuition which is already high.
The State of Utah is not a great supporter of its flag ship university.
BYU is the most desired school in Utah. Unless you want to:Go into
science or technologyMeet someone who's not exactly like youPlay in the NFL
This is probably the biggest non story of the year. Maybe of interest to
University administrators and who cares what they think?
One thing BYU and Utah students have in common: they all applied to BYU...
For some reason my comment got cut off. In essence it said that 75th percentile
at the U is a 27 ACT and 3.88 GPA. 75th percentile at BYU is a 31 ACT and almost
4.0 GPA. BYU students are just about the sharpest I've been around (and
I've been at a top-10 university and a top-50). Nothing against the
University of Utah, it just does not have the same caliber of students that BYU
BYU also has more students than the UofU so it should get more applicants. The
number of applicants is not the key. The key is the number who are accepted who
attend. Only Harvard has a higher "yield" for those accepted actually
enrolling (barely higher than BYU). The UofU provides good education but
Did anyone ever think otherwise? Of Course BYU is on top! Go Cougars.
Please tell me this isn't going to evolve into an immature rock throwing
contest between lovers of the U and the Y. But then, how could it not?
I find it interesting that an aerial photo of the athletic complex was selected
as the apparent most important "visual" representation of BYU. No doubt
the best collegiate athletic facilities and teams "money" can buy.
Well, no kidding!
Does it make sense to compare the number of applications received by a state
school with a regional reputation with those received by a private religious
school that attracts the attention of all LDS around the world, not just in one
low-population state? Why does everything have to be a competition with you
The numbers; 11,423 to 11,354 and the Desnews thinks this to be their usual BYU
validation news. I wouldn't be surprised if this comment is threateningly
controversial and censored. I wait on like a bird on a wire.
Are you saying the logo rated 4th best in the nation isn't being used
These sources are only reporting what most of us already knew.
Utah offers 82 percent of applicants and 2/3 of that group say no thanks? I
guess when you have a choice between Utah and elsewhere, elsewhere is the clear