Just change the word "man" to "fan"And replace
"coeds are the fairest", to .... "students are the smartest"
Nothing needs to be changed. Leave it alone!
VegasUteSeriously?A Utah member of mankind am I?The Neil Armstrong quote and the Utah Man fight song aren't even
roughly equivalent in context or meaning.I've never heard
anyone even hint that Armstrong's quote was sexist.I have heard
and read many pundits and sports fans who did think that Utah's fight song
was absolutely sexist, including many Utah alumni and students who have been
debating the issue since at least the mid-80's.
@Rockwell:"In no way can his statement be characterized as
sexist."Thank you! You just made my point!The PC
police are saying that the word "man" in not "inclusive" of
women. According to the dictionary and throughout the history of the English
language (including the speech by Armstrong BTW), the word man IS us used to be
inclusive of both sexes. Thus the reason Armstrong used the term, that and
"mankind". It was not a sexist term when Armstrong used it, and in
accordance with the English language in general. So why then is it suddenly
sexist and offensive now?"Since when does the majority 'not
being offended' make something that is offensive to some,
inoffensive?"Make a list of everything that people are offended
by so that we can all never offend anyone. Willing to go first? People often
choose to be offended by something. We can NEVER not offend everyone. If the
song offends you, don't sing it. The byU fans expressing false outrage on
this subject (Truth Machine) will never sing the song anyway. We'll start
with the songs people listen to - any offensive lyrics there?A Utah
Man am I
Liberal TedIt's not a "football" fight song. I thought
liberals were supposed be "progressive" when it came to things like
offending minorities.Apparently, that's not the case at Utah
where women and minorities are characterized as objects in Utah's fight
song and nickname.
If we are going to be PC then let's do it. You can't pick and choose
how you're going to be PC. It's also not PC to be intoxicated in
public. Give everyone a breathalyzer test before entering. Cut off the alcohol
that is smuggled in, but, allow people to smoke pot because for some reason
that's okay.It's also offensive that a bunch of white
liberals keep telling the Ute Tribe what they should be offended about. Liberals
should be banned from telling people what should be offensive and not.The term "Runnin Utes" is offensive to those who can't walk or
can't run. So remove the term "Runnin".Now that we have
solved all of these issues, the Utopian society will spring forth and everyone
will dance around in merriment.
Maybe the fight song leaves out all of the female football players...oh wait a
minute there isn't one. For such a progressive conference why not make half
of the teams female? There also shouldn't be winners or losers. Everyone
should be given a National Championship Trophy at the end of the season. Every
school should redistribute their ticket sales.The other repressive
thing at these games, are having Class Box Seats. You have the wealthy, elite
and left wing nut jobs in the box seats. While the peasants are left to fend for
themselves. How can this be in a progressive school?! Forget the fight song,
look at the inequality with the seats. The only logical solution is to build a
box seat for everyone, and keep the prices exactly the same, and then take money
from the left wing people to cover the lost revenue.
VegasUteYour argument is fundamentally flawed.Since when
does the majority "not being offended" make something that is offensive
to some, inoffensive?btw, your twisted logic with the Neil Armstrong
quote is laughable. In no way can his statement be characterized as sexist.
@Truth Machine:"It's not funny, but sad, that so many
continue to defend such sexist, insensitive lyrics."That is one
person's opinion, which greatly differs from the majority of women students
and alumni who are the people that are supposed to be offended by the lyrics.I just have one more question - are you equally saddened and outraged by
the "sexist and insensitive" statement by Neil Armstrong:"One small
step for man, one giant leap for mankind"?Just wondering where
we draw the line for political correctness and our moral compass.
"Leave it the same and my donations will increase and continue." Good
one Chris B.....wink, wink, right?Since we're throwing out
unfounded statistics I say almost 98% of u world says "Who cares about our
fight song? When are we going to do something about the offensive results of our
football team annually winding up in the prestigious pac's basement???"
get rid of swoop and bring back the indian, or not, just get rid of the bird...
How about "I am a Utah coed" and "Our men are the fairest,"
VegasUte"I have attended, thousands and thousands of ticket
buying women who proudly sing Utah Man. The vast majority of women, both current
students and alumni, do not support the change."That's pure
speculation on your part. Without interviewing/surveying each of
those thousands and thousands of women, you couldn't possibly know what
each of them personally thinks about the song. Just because they
show their support for the Utes by singing the song doesn't mean that they
like the song or would object to it being changed to something more appropriate
to the modern world.It's not funny, but sad, that so many
continue to defend such sexist, insensitive lyrics.
@Utah bear:I am too a proud football season ticket holder and have
been for years. I would love to be able to go to other events, but my
profession and distance from SLC prevent me from holding season tickets to
basketball, etc.That being said, I have seen at every game I have
attended, thousands and thousands of ticket buying women who proudly sing Utah
Man. The vast majority of women, both current students and alumni, do not
support the change. And if the words are officially changed (contrary to
popular demand) they will continue to sing the words "Utah Man" louder
than ever. I think this issue was best described as "a solution in search
of a problem". I can say with certainty that you never once said - this
song is offensive to women - before the change was brought up by this
year's student council.It's funny to me that the voice of
reason in this whole thread is CougsNDawgs - great post my friend!A
Utah Man am I!Go Utes!!
Blue AZ CougarChandler, AZ"Such an annoying fight
song....And yes, I am biased."NO! You could have
fooled me! Leave the song alone. The ancient lyrics are it's
charm. Every generation for decades have known that the lyrics are outdated,
and nobody cares - it's tradition. The fact that it annoys so many byU
fans only makes it that much better! I especially love the song when President
Monson sings it in public.Utah Man, sir, a Utah Man am IA Utah
Man, sir, and will be 'til I dieGo Utes!!And yes -
I am biased too!
Enter the modern era by changing the fight song and dropping the Ute name.
Having attended the U for four years I always thought they were just pain bad.
They dropped the Runnin' Redskins name several decades ago and more changes
are in order.
Perhaps "Utah man" could be changed to "girslie state
All things considered, I'd rather be on the trail to fame and glory than to
be in a jolly gang.If Utah fans were smart, they'd come up with
something that they'd all be proud to sing rather than clinging desperately
to the antiquated lyrics of a drinking song.After witnessing
Utah's pre-game tail-gate party on many occassions, however, it's easy
to see why so many think the song is perfectly fine.
One Ute student leader to another: "What you going to do today? Organize
some students to do a service project or perhaps initiate a charitable fund
raiser?" "Nah. I"m going to go through the school fight song and see
if I can find something that offends me. Then I'm going to make a big stink
about it so people will actually remember me someday". First student:
Aside from its uninspired lyrics, the Utah "fight song," in my humble
opinion, is one of the most annoying melodies ever composed. Any self-respecting
composer would quickly relegate this song to a collection of rowdy vocal
eruptions fit only to be emitted by inebriated tankard-swinging patrons of a
German pub!Now, BYU's "Rise and Shout!" There's a
song worthy of emulation!
As Shakespeare so eloquently stated, "much ado about nothing"!
The majority says, "Leave it alone."The minority says,
"blah, blah, blah, or lets make it so its PC for everyone."Leave it the same and my donations will increase and continue. Keep trying to
appease all the liberal heads or the minority and I’ll adopt a new
Until the song embraces 'girlse' it's just going to continue
being offensive.How about just humming that catchy melody and
getting rid of the lyrics altogether?Would that work?
@ KillarneyWell we wouldn't want to Norm Maves, Jr. to be
unhappy, now would we?
Maybe it could include lyrics that wil help us at least be in the hunt for a
conference title. I am sick of being the PAC 12's punching bag and
Souptwins:The guys that wrote it are all dead...pretty sure they
don't care. Besides it's been changed from their original version
already.Killarney:"It's stupid, stolen..." That describes at least half the fight songs in CFB, including my Dawgs using
the battle hymn of the republic tune. It's all meant in good fun. If it
offends some people, I don't understand why...fairest? How could that be
offensive...Utah man...well yeah that's sexist. I just think we've
become a society that is far too sensitive and far too easily offended. A great
man once said: "A person who takes offense where it wasn't intended is
a fool. A person who takes offense where it was intended is a greater fool".
Today's America needs to grow thicker skin and toughen up a
little. Every little squabble where someone is offended is getting old. Anger or
offense at blatant sexism & racism is understandable, but every little nit
picky thing? C'mon folks...the greatest generation is shaking it's
collective head at us, both men & women.
Norm Maves, Jr. of the Daily Oregonian called "Utah Man" the
second-worst college fight song, saying, "It’s stupid, stolen and
The Bleak-- It may have been written by beer drinking football players, but was
adopted as a university wide "fight song" to be used at all sorts of
sporting events. In which case, I would think it should reflect a broader base.
The guys who wrote it are probably both amazed and embarrassed such a corny
thing got such wide acceptance in the first place.
Utah bear"... it is time to update the song. For the last 35
years it has grated on women with no gain for the aggravation."Couldn't agree more.Even though they don't speak out for
fear of being mocked by other fans, many women, including my wife, are offended
by the song. Why are some fans quibbling over lyrics that many of them
don't even sing.
This is so much a First World problem. Is there nothing else to occupy the
minds and pens of people on the Hill?Catchy tune, never could make
out the words. Good luck with your quest. I enjoy reading about
the angst and frustration and unintended humor of it all, especially on slow
I wonder how many who say "leave the song alone" have ever actually been
to a game. I have been to every home game for 35 years, give to the Crimson Club
(and other departments at the U), attend away and bowl games and make nearly all
home basketball games. I also graduated from the U in 1971. I am vested in the
U. That said, it is time to update the song. For the last 35 years it has grated
on women with no gain for the aggravation. We have updated the name from
Running' Redskins to Utes without the world ending and added Swoop --- now
it is time to broaden our reach with the song. From a marketing viewpoint, why
do we want to exclude ticket-buying women from our growing fan base to say
nothing of better supporting all of our wonderful female athletes and their
I was going to comment about the general corniness of all fight songs but Gdog
beat me to it...well done.This whole thing is just one more step of
being in a "progressive league". Yep...the most liberal progressive
league of them all and this is the price for your inclusion, bowing to the PC
idol. Soon you will have all your traditions taken from you in the same
"backdoor" fashion the fight song was taken. And believe me when I say,
it doesn't matter that you have a contract with any tribe. The PC police
aren't about dialogue or contracts, they're about protected all the
"could be" or "should be" offended folks. They don't care
about reality of who is actually offended. So while you're thinking up
different lyrics you might want to think of a new mascot too...it's coming,
why not "be prepared". Oops, am I allowed to quote the scout motto?
@Blue AZ CougarWhat, you don't find 'Rise and Shout'
to be equally as corny (Mickey Mouse)? Fight songs are just that way unless
it's your school's fight song. It's our collegiate loyalty that
sees us adopt affinity for school fight songs. As a Ute, I am irritated that our
president is so sketchy as to sabotage a big part of the University's
identity with his own single minded agenda by sneaking change through the secret
backdoor so to speak (avoiding collaboration with Utes everywhere). This is
being done despite OVERWHELMING opposition to changing the fight song by alumni,
boosters, students and fans. The president is full of the monarchy of political
correctness. It disgusts me.
Here's my suggestion, President Pershing: LEAVE. IT. ALONE.@Blue AZ Cougar"Such an annoying fight song...."....says the guy whose fight song is called "Cry and Pout".
@WhyAmIhere?"Can we begin a movement to eliminate the name "Fight
Song" and replace it with a "School Hymn"?"Seriously? Perhaps we should have tea and crumpets at halftime too. And we
should encourage the football players to share the ball more with the other
A school hymn you say. How about "In Our Lovely Deseret"? It has kind
of a catchy tune and may remind students of their university's heritage.
souptwins-The song was written by the football coach and his players
to represent themselves; of course it has a male perspective when it was written
by males. As mentioned in a different post, I think they should make
it the football fight song and create a new one for the school. If the ladies
have a problem with that, then start playing D1 football and then make a claim
for inclusion amongst football players. Until then, this is a non issue.
Listening to the song, I keep hearing the popular Disney song "M-I-C-K-E-Y,
M-O-U-S-E". Such an annoying fight song....And yes, I am
Start over on the lyrics from scratch, including the title of the song. It is
all outdated, and if you aren't offended, then you still must be
embarrassed to be in a progressive conference with such a regressive fight song.
I don't care about the lyrics of the song but the title is offensive to me.
As a liberal Democrat I do not support war or aggression. The title is
supportive of aggressive behavior and should be changed. Can we begin a
movement to eliminate the name "Fight Song" and replace it with a
Oh the One World Order of political incorrectness. Soon enough, everything will
be offensive and language lost to where we will need translators for previous
generations. I am a Utah person and I lived across the green until the the
yellow was offended. Now I just live on earth. Soon Mars will be offended. I
don't think we can hear the fight song 'ringing through the
mountains' anymore because the trumpets are offended.
It is quite absurd (and funny) that the U is changing their fight song for PC
reasons, but as a BYU fan and friend of many Utah fans, let me make a friendly
suggestion for one of the changes that should be made, along with whatever
pointless changes are made. This line, which was previously removed, should be
put back in the fight song along with whatever other changes are made: "We
drink our stein of lager and we smoke our big cigars." I realize
that this line is non inclusive toward LDS members, but I am sure the liberal PC
police at the U and in the Pac 12 are not worried about potentially upsetting
Mormons. We are one group (along with most other Christian denominations) that
it is okay to be discriminatory against, at least according to the liberal PC
police. Also, as a Mormon, I would not find that line offensive if it was in the
U's fight song anyway, even if I was a U of U student. Why? Because I am
not looking for a reason to be offended like so many others are.
I think it's more offensive to be referred to as a "co-ed" than to
be considered the "fairest". The term "co-ed" has always
applied to women only and usually not as the most favorable term. To me the
fact that the whole song is written from a male perspective is what they're
trying to get away from. Some of the best athletic teams at the U are the
women's sports which seems odd for them. Why not say "our students are
the ________-est"? Pick whatever adjective you like but make it about both
males and females. "Fan" works great especially since it rhymes and
makes more sense. This certainly isn't the first time it's been
changed so these seem reasonable if people insist on keeping it.
Leave it alone!
"Brightest" is discriminatory. What about all of the other schools that
aren't so bright? How does that make them feel?That is in the
same line as stating "God Bless America" or "The United States is
exceptional"....If people are offended by Utah man and Fairest
then they are going to be offended no matter what word is used.Why
not just do away with the song altogether. The same narrow minded people want to
stop singing the national anthem because it's "too war like".
Maybe these people shouldn't be going to sporting events where teams battle
it out until there is a winner and loser. If they're having that hard of a
time dealing with these minor things at a game, quite frankly they're never
going to last in the "real world" unless if obummer makes it the liberal
cesspool that they dream of. Their own private utopia where the wealthy elite
tell us peasants what is and isn't good for us.