Our Anti-Conservatives keep jabbing people who are over 65 and accept social
security (IF you are of the wrong Party).IMO Social Security is
different than the "government dole". For one... Social Security
isn't taking somebody else's money. It's getting your own money
back (In theory).The SS theory is... you pay into your Social
Security account your whole working life... so you can take that money back out
when you retire. That's hardly living on the government dole... it's
living on the money the government forced you to save while you were working...
so they wouldn't have to support you when you retire.IMO
it's not a problem for ANY person to accept their retirement benefits.
Not benefits they established in a private pension plan, and not benefits they
established by paying into SS their whole working life.SS is not
"welfare" (IMO).===If I get anything back from
SS great... if not... that's fine too.Since my youth I've
saved some of every check in an IRA (just like my contributions to SS)... are
you going to snark if I accept that money back when I retire too...?
Last bit that I am sure no one will see... but for the record, three of the
largest health insurance companies testified to a House Committee, and chastised
the committee on publishing false data stating that enrollment numbers were only
around 67% of the published numbers - based on the number people actually paying
for their premiums.The insures stated that the real number was
between 83 and 90 percent had paid their premium on time... in stark contrast to
the claims made by the House GOP. What matters here is not that the
number is far better than being stated by the GOP, but that the GOP
intentionally tried to deceive the American public, the ones they were elected
to serve. There is no way one have have a sensible conversation when the
parties are more than glad to lie and warp the truth in their quest to influence
public opinion. And amazingly, FoxNews didn't cover those
@ Mike Richards -- I never expected anything different, believe me. As I said,
of all the tea partiers I know (many of whom are over 65) only one has had the
conviction of his principles and refused the government dole. No conservative
ever thinks the dole is bad when they are the ones getting it.
2 Bits.... I hear what you are saying.... but I don't see too many
Republicans complaining about the fact that they get social security benefits
when they retire - if anything - like Mike Richards, they complain that they
might not get theres. Social Security is another one of those evil liberal
programs thrust on the nation by socialist democrats, and yet I don't see
too many states stepping up to replace the program, and I don't see too
many conservatives turning down the checks on the moral ground it is bankrupting
their grand children by doing so.The future of ACA is a bit a
question mark. But the issue of providing solid health care for lower income
people isn't going away anytime soon. We are not going back to the wild
west, the family doctor, or house calls. Those days are gone. Best we can do
is shape the best future we can.... and stop worrying about if it is a
republican plan, or a democrat plan... but be more focused on crafting the best
The worst part (for the economy and for working people that get insurance
through their employers) was put off till Obama is out of office.What will happen if more people begin to disprove AFTER Obama is out of
office.... And Obama isn't there to defend it???Will Democrats
be faithful and lay down their careers in politics to defend it? Some will.
They will turn as a dog tho his vomit.... Others will bail on it IF it looks
like supporting it will cost them re-election back home.But the
problem is... there's not going back (whether most Americans like it or
not).Going back would be seen as taking some people's insurance
away.... and that will never fly (and shouldn't).So we are
either stuck here... in a system that was intended to not work... or we move
forward... to the single-payer system they really wanted in the beginning.It's inevitable. The only question is... how painful is the
interim going to be for the people who try to cling to private insurance...It's intended to bankrupt private insurance. And it will. So
what will take it's place?
We all knew that Obamacare was in trouble when we "passed it to see what was
in it." And after we all found out what was in it, Obama had to change the
law nearly forty times by himself to keep the American people from getting
angrier.The Democrats intentions might have been good but the final
results are not but then were the democrats intentions about healthcare or was
it about control, you decide.As for the debate about social security and
Medicare, we paid for it so we will use it. The democrats should have listened
all those times when they were told that changes needed to be made but they
instead said all is good. Oops!
The Invincible Republican worries not about the healthcare of others for theirs
is perfect and that is all that matters. They care not about the insurance
premiums because their plan is the best. The care not about employment because
they are successful.........Then one day...It all falls apart. They lose their
job, insurance and get diagnosed with a disease and then their child is denied
coverage for preexisting condition. Now the Invincible Republican is losing his
retirement and home because of healthcare cost but he has a plan......The
Invincible Republican blames Obama and joins the Tea Party.
I'm really looking forward to receiving Social Security and Medicare. Then
I'll finally be able to "stick it" to the liberals who have nearly
bankrupted my family by taking money that was not theirs and spending it on
programs that had nothing to do with Social Security. Had that money been
properly managed, as insurance companies are required to do, there would be
enough for a real retirement. Instead, if I due the day before receiving that
1st check, the 15% that I had to pay in on all income will be returned to my
family in a lump sum payment of $250 to "pay" for my funeral.Why do those who know that the government has spent all of the Social Security
money think that ObamaCare funds will ever be used for healthcare? Has the
leopard changed its spots? Do a little research and see where Obama bragged
that he would balance the budget shortly after ObamaCare funds started rolling
in. He's already spent over $6,000,000,000,000 more that he has received
in tax revenues, now he considers ObamaCare to be general revenue funds.
Ah, for our daily dose of anti-ACA propaganda from the DN.... what would life be
like without it.I actually was up in Boston today participating on
an industry panel on the Internet of Things - in particular how IoT will impact
health care delivery. Dozens of companies in the industry were represented.
Not a single one thought ACA was going away anytime in the near
future, BTW.The one things they all agreed upon was that the side
benefit of digitization of medical records will provide for much better health
care delivery - something that is promoted in ACA. They commented that older
practitioners are struggling with the change to digital, with some even retiring
early because of the change. They had differing opinions on cost, but none
thought it wouldn't ultimately lead to smarter delivery of health care
services.It is human nature to resist change. And not all change is
good change. But to this crowd, there were some very strong benefits to the
new law from a delivery side.I now return you to your regular
programming of Anti-ACA rhetoric daily delivered to you curtesy of the DN.
So basically the writer is saying that health care for Americans just isn't
worth it. Only the rich deserve health care, huh? The next few years
are going to be interesting. The working class is headed on a head on collision
with those who have waged and are winning class warfare. They've sucked our
wealth away. They've bought off our judicial and legislative branches. Now
they wish to suck our health care away. Will we continue to argue
among ourselves as the rich take away our homes and final freedoms too as we are
plunged into a gilded age slavery system? Or will we finally fight
back and win our freedoms and rights back?
You think tens of millions of dollars spent on misleading and factually
inaccurate anti-ACA propaganda had maybe some small effect?
Dnews moderator, GOP is an abbreviation for "Grand Old Party."
That's why it's in caps. I thought repubs didn't
trust polls?Now they do? Why?It's so hard to keep
up with the GOP's flip flopping.
ITS ALL IN HOW YOU ASK THE QUESTIONS. THE INDIVIDUAL PROVISIONS POLL MUCH
BETTER.Allowing children to stay on parents insurance until they are
26.Getting rid of pre exhisting conditions. (which gives freedom to
an entrepreneurs to do what they do best)Expansion of medicaidSubsidies to help those who can't afford to buy insurance.Not allowing insurers to charge women more than men for insurance.Not allowing insurers to drop you if your healthcare exceeds a dollar
amount.Allowing insurers to charge more to smokers.Establishing a maximum out of pocket expense.Encouraging
preventive care.A "marketplace" where people can shop
healthplans by cost and benefits without having to go through
"underwriting" with the real fear of rejection or approval only on
condition they can charge you 30% more for asthma etc. All of
you who think the government shouldn't offer subsidies have more than
likely been getting subsidies for years in the form of buying your health
insurance with pre tax dollars which wasn't available to most in the
individual marketplace. You will also likely enjoy subsidized medicaire
someday. Have a heart.
All editorials on this issue suspect for big money influence. Money buys poll
Every thing we know, and every thing we think we know, we got from somebody
else. And in this age of transmission of opinions by electronic means, the
things we think are the things we're told to think. And, since the people
who own and control the loudest voices are a tiny minority, America's
thought process is controlled by a tiny minority. Opinion polls
do not actually reflect what Americans think and believe, they only measure the
effectiveness of the controllers.
Its very surprising to me that the populace hasn't risen up AGAINST
Obamacare before now. Hopefully they will rectify that situation in 2014.People have lost jobs, lost insurance, and/or had their working hours
reduced. Wasn't it Obama who said he WANTED people to have jobs?Even people who have purchased Obamacare with "subsidies" (free money
apparentally)find that they can't afford the premiums, much less the
deductibles.Repeal Obamacare please. We're dumping billions of
dollars into a program that won't work, except to have MORE people
unemployed.Is that what democrats want?
@ Mike Richards -- Well then I hope you are principled enough that you never
ever take Social Security or Medicare. Because unless you die relatively early,
if you take it, you're going to get out of it much more than you paid in
(particularly Medicare.) I've only known one person who truly followed
their principles and refused Medicare. And he and his wife are not in their
late 60's, so it will be interesting to see what they do when he is too old
to work. Of course now they can get Obamacare, but prior to the ACA they would
have been out of luck because the wife has horrible health. It's easy to
feel like you're invincible...until you aren't anymore.
The disapproval of Obamacare has been climbing and will continue to do so as
more and more people are made aware of their loss of freedom and more of their
money because of it.My brother was diagnosed with a life-threatening
degenerative disease a little less than 3 years ago. The treatments are
prohibitively expensive without the UTAH HIP plan that he was very fortunate to
have found shortly after the diagnosis. Until the implementation of Obamacare he
was very grateful to ve able to afford that "sub-standard" healthcare
plan. Since it's cancellation the alternatives available under Obamacare
are drastically more expensive and, consequently, completely UNaffordable. The
increased stress he is now experiencing with no insurance is making his
condition worse. From his support group he's found he is not alone in
having the previous support pulled out **because** of Obamacare!Obamacare is a wretched fraud perpetrated, as are almost all socialistic
frauds, using duplicitous and dictatorial tactics. It will only be remedied by
removing the crooks who put it in place. That will only happen if enough voters
wise up. I hope we're seeing that process now.
Open Minded Mormon (2:03 pm),That is not all the poll asked. It also
asked why they disapprove. Of those that disapprove, the most important reasons
cited are: 1. too much government involvement (most important reason
for 42%, a major reason for 80%) 2. law is too expensive for the country
(26% and 76%), 3. law's requirement that all have health insurance
(14% and 58%), 4. own health care may suffer (12% and 57%). Please tell me where in these reasons for disapproving a desire for a single
payer system falls. If what you want is a poll that asks "Do you want a
single payer healthcare system" the results would be even worse than they
are for Obamacare. I guarantee it.
people like unemployment and high insurance premiums and they also like the fact
that they lost their doctor. What's not to like?
Would have preferred single payer, so no, I'm not thrilled with the ACA.
But, it is a heck of a lot better than nothing.
It's a baby-step. Get ready for a wild next 10 years... Google "The Fix Is In: From ObamaCare Set-Up To Single-Payer Solution"
(Forbes Magazine)It says... "As a matter of record, President
Obama is an avid long-time proponent of single payer system dating back at
least to his time as an Illinois Senator"...=====Google "Harry Reid Says Obamacare Just A First Step Toward Single
Payer"...He said in an interview with the Las Vegas Sun,
“What we’ve done with Obamacare is have a step in the right
direction, but we’re far from having something that’s going to work
forever... a provision that was explicitly designed as a
single-payer advance-scout, the government-run insurance plan usually referred
to as the “public option” was removed from the final bill. The Obama
administration was never particularly concerned with the public option anyway;
it was floated mostly in order to be sacrificed so that President Obama could
say he compromised on a big liberal goal".So we have about 10
years left before we will be where Progressives have us where they really want
I am a small business owner, one that would supposedly suffer if we had
single-payer. What nonsense. If we had Canadian style medicare, I could offer
the same health care as IBM. And all of my competitors would be paying the same
as me. A level playing field. Uh, Mike the Supreme Court disagree's with
Fine. Repubs win.Let the rich do whatever they want to this
country.Take away the health care of millions. Let insurance
companies cut people for pre conditions. Heck, get rid of Medicare and Medicaid!
Get rid of it all and see the state of the country after all that.This is your baby repubs. You built this! Now own it!
Thanks to Barry and his conspirators in Congress, there will be a change in the
Senate to Republican control. Not that anything will come of it....
If we accept the Constitution, we will automatically reject any "personal
welfare" programs or policies from government. When we are so foolish that
we would sell freedom to a politician who tells us that some "rich guy"
will pay for our health care, we don't deserve freedom. Freedom comes with
great responsibilities, one of which us that we will never ever ask others to
pay our personal bills.
It's a start. We could have, and should have, done better.
Bear in mind that there is an ongoing well-funded media campaign against the ACA
by wealthy ideologues of the right wing. Some of this criticism is getting
interesting, attacking the ACA through the left as it were. Some of the
campaign accuses the ACA of benefiting insurance companies too much! This comes
as no surprise to those of us on the left who wanted more. But the campaign as
run by the Kochs is disingenuous.
"Americans are still not pleased with the Affordable Care Act"======= Once again the study is flawed...I'M not
pleased with the Affordable Car Act.It doesn go far enough.I want a
Single-Payer option.Try wording a REAL survey with that in it, You'll be surprised by the result.