'Irreplaceable' examines the 21st century state of the traditional family

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  • 1.96 Standard Deviations OREM, UT
    May 9, 2014 8:03 a.m.


    Just an FYI -- my post was out of context and intended for another article. My comment was in direct respond to a different comment made by RanchHand about LDS doctrine vs opinion.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    May 8, 2014 8:01 p.m.

    @1.96 Standard Deviations: "The proclamation on the family is definitely doctrine."

    I hope you understand that "doctrine" only applies to members of the church that holds the doctrine.

    You might base your opinions and positions and political planks on those doctrines, however believers from other faith traditions will also have doctrines they believe to be inspired or revealed that also apply to the situation. Their claims are just as valid as yours.

    And as soon as either of you enter the public square the doctrines become "opinion." As such they are just as valid - or invalid - as the other opinions expressed. However, generally speaking, expressing your opinions as "the correct position" because you "know" is was revealed from a deity is problematic.

    Some will see it as... less than rational, shall we say. Others will look at patterns in cultures based in theocracy and reject everything you say because they will not see a difference.

  • 1.96 Standard Deviations OREM, UT
    May 8, 2014 11:00 a.m.


    The proclamation on the family is definitely doctrine. It was announced in a general relief society meeting, released officially by the church as an institution, prepared and signed by the first presidency and quorum of 12 apostles. It is also consistently quoted by general authorities in general conference and other engagements.

    Also, it was stated in a recent letter from the First Presidency to local church leaders that local church leaders are to teach the DOCTRINES contained in the proclamation to church members.

    I am sorry that you feel the proclamation is mere opinion. There is no reason to think that if you are LDS. Elder Andersen stated the following in the October 2012 conference talk, 'Trial of your Faith':

    "There is an important principle that governs the doctrine of the Church. The doctrine is taught by all 15 members of the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve. It is not hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk. True principles are taught frequently and by many. Our doctrine is not difficult to find."

    The Proclamation to the World about the family (and marriage) fits this perfectly.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 8, 2014 9:26 a.m.


    Is it really selfish to want to make a committment and spend your life with someone? Why isn't it selfishness when heterosexuals want that?


    The only "devaluation" of marriage and family life is being done by those very people inside those relationships.

  • Let it Go! Omaha, NE
    May 7, 2014 4:07 a.m.

    Slopj30: I apoligize for presenting my thoughts in a negative tone. Let me clarify...

    It is true that the nature of the movie may not portray sex in a negative light, which I hope it doesn't. By negative light, I mean the same way Hollywood generally treats sex.

    Sexual relationships between a man and a women in marriage are ordained of God for both the raising of posterity and bringing the participants closer to each other in every aspect. We, as Christians, see sex as something sacred and precious. To have sex displayed in public media as more of a pleasure activity to do with anyone you like than something only to be done in marriage offends those, like me, who are trying to keep the law of chastity.

    It is possible to have fun when you keep the commandments of God.

    Sure, we can look away, but we cannot be silent about our beliefs. The world is becoming more sickening than ever and who knows what laws might be erected that support such practices.

    Thank you for helping me present my thoughts in a better tone.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    May 6, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    It takes a truly dedicated form of self-delusion to see a bunch of people who have always been prohibited from getting married now are pushing for that right and conclude that this is proof that modern society is devaluing marriage. I guess we see what our preferred narrative demands we see.

    Let it Go!: "Filth"? Really? You might be a little oversensitive. The "sexual situations" referred to don't necessarily mean any sex is depicted. Given the nature of the movie in question, that's very unlikely. If the issue of human sexuality is even brought up in a general, non-graphic way, someone could slap that label on a movie, and PG rating may be perfectly appropriate.

    I can never get my head around the common LDS/Christian hypersensitivity to anything relating to sex. Oh, no! Someone mentioned filthy nasty SEX! Avert your eyes!

  • Let it Go! Omaha, NE
    May 6, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    Is it really necessary to show sexual content in a PG movie?

    Is this movie aimed for adults or for everyone, including little kids?

    Do we want them to start an pornography addiction because of a bedroom scene in a movie?

    Personally, any movie involving sexual relationships should be PG-13 and up. No kid should be encouraged to watch such filth, even if the rest of the movie is good, or amazing!

  • Tiago Seattle, WA
    May 6, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Re "The main reason for the upsurge in acceptance of homosexual "marriage" is the general devaluation of marriage during the last 40 years, at least."
    I doubt I will change your views, but my gay friends who are married or have the goal of marriage all highly value marriage as an institution. Most come from large, loving, intact families and want the same type of love and commitment they saw their parents model.
    Many gay people reject the sexually liberated culture of the 60s and 70s. They are not interested in promiscuity or just having fun.
    Allowing gay people to marry, in my opinion, values marriage and family. It ties the two people to each other, to their children, to their extended families, and to their communities. It reinforces the value of commitment and monogamy.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 9:58 p.m.

    As I've been saying for at least the last 10 years, the main reason for the upsurge in acceptance of homosexual "marriage" is the general devaluation of marriage during the last 40 years, at least.

    It's a sad fact that the deleterious effects of the increasing devaluation of marriage and family life seem evermore apparent and self reinforcing. I don't know if we've actually entered the sociological death spiral that is the almost inevitable result of the constant erosion of the very foundation of society. But, I think we're getting closer all the time.

  • antodav TAMPA, FL
    May 5, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    It’s really not too hard to understand why the family is in the state that it is in, or what effects the various social movements and ideologies mentioned in this article have had on it. People have stopped caring about each other, or certainly about children, and have instead become more self-centered, egotistically, and narrow-mindedly focused on their own personal “happiness” and wish fulfillment instead of looking at the greater good. This is symptomatic of a decadent culture that has uprooted and discarded the core essential elements that led it to become so prosperous and great that it could have a point from which to decay in the first place.

    I’m sure this movie will be hated by the media and be labeled as bigoted, intolerant, outdated, sexist, homophobic, etc. (the fact that it’s being distributed by Focus on the Family probably doesn’t help any). But that doesn’t mean that the points it makes are any less true, as difficult as they may be for some people to hear.