John Hoffmire: How does the air in Salt Lake compare to Mexico City’s?

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 6, 2014 2:42 p.m.

    Re: "How can our do-nothing legislature live with themselves"?

    Exactly what can the LEGISLATURE do to fix our air?

    It's not up to them... it's up to you and me!


    What would you have the legislature do? Just pass a law that says, "We shall have clean air"???

    What law would you have them pass to clean our air???

    Like the letter said... 60% of our population comes from our cars. Should they pass a law preventing us from driving our cars? Note: That comes right back to me and you not driving... doesn't it?

    Do you see now that you and me have to be the solution... not just the legislature??


    You blame the Legislature alone. What have they done (or not done) to deserve your derision? Not used the government magic wand to restore clean air???

    And what could they possibly do (in reality) to get out of your dog-house?

    Nothing they could do would please you... so why try??

  • trapdinutah South Jordan, UT
    May 6, 2014 8:12 a.m.

    I get tired of being compared to Mexico City, Los Angeles, Houston, Denver, or Moab. Even if we didn't live in a unique air shed, the only comparison that really matters is how are we doing compared to the air quality standards, and are we improving? Where are we compared to where we have been? Are we getting better?

    This valley is too full of naysayers with error-riddled long-term memories who refuse to look at the facts. Data show that the air is significantly better now than it was in the past - it continually gets better. All the Chicken Littles trying to create a phantom menace find an eager audience in the local press; and yet, no matter how much they rant, and no matter who takes their bait, the sky is still securely in place. Were there the relationship between air pollution and mortality posited by those quixotic morons, then our ancestors would have all died off long ago, and there would be a negative population growth in this valley, thus solving the "problem."

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 5, 2014 7:51 p.m.

    Liberal....I was (admittedly not well) being sarcastic. I've been getting a kick out the recent articles in the paper comparing us to other places, usually the worst in the nation and the world. It always felt to me like an effort to rationalise it away, as if to say 'look how much worse it is in Fairbanks!", (or Beijing or wherever). Rather than these efforts to dismiss it, I think we should look at it without even bothering to factor in population or climate or geography as excuses. When you go outside in the wintertime and the air reeks and its' all dingy and you get particulate matter collecting on everything, regardless of the contributing factors in absolute terms we have a problem. And regardless of whether or not people in other places deal with it, I think we should.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 5, 2014 7:01 p.m.

    Wow. Just wow.

    How can our do-nothing legislature live with themselves? Are all repubs bought off by big pollute?

    Why isn't there outrage? Even temple square should be upset with this. One of our great industries is tourism. We ain't gonna any have tourism is our air quality doesn't improve.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 5, 2014 4:51 p.m.

    Re: "In Salt Lake, up to 60 percent of pollution comes from mobile sources (mostly automobiles) . . . ."

    First off, it should be said that a chart comparing SLC's PM10 concentrations to those of Mexico City is completely irrelevant to any discussion of air pollution. Visible urban particulate matter emissions contribute only a tiny fraction -- always less than 15%, usually much less -- to the urban background.

    On a yearly average basis, particulates in SLC are primarily "sea salt" [from the Lake] aerosols. During fire season or drought, sea salts may be exceeded by other mineral and/or organic particulates, but the automobiles Mr. Hoffmire wants desperately to blame our and Mexico City's "pollution" on? They contribute 0% of PM10 and only a tiny, tiny percentage of PM2.5.

    Bottom line: The reduction in the number of trips the author wants so badly to pat us on the head for, changed the PM10 ratio between us and Mexico City by -- wait for it -- zero.

    Future expensive, inconvenient, dangerous, and unsustainable collectivized transport can be expected to contribute essentially the same -- 0% -- toward "solving" SLC's "pollution" problem.

    But, they're shiny.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    May 5, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    Next comparison, Peking? Oops sorry, Bejing.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 5, 2014 10:33 a.m.

    I am encouraged to see such dramatic improvement in Mexico's pollution. In the mid 1980's I lived in Mexico City for 14 months as a missionary. The pollution was nearly unbearable at times. I am saddened to see that the Salt Lake Valley is struggling to make major improvements. One of the reasons Mexico City has made such dramatic improvements is their public transportation system is top notch. As missionaries we traveled around the City exclusively on foot and public transit. You could get within easy walking distance of anywhere even in the mid 80's and I understand public transit is even better today. Sadly, UTA has done a terrible job of getting people within walking distance of their destinations. In Mexico City they have a robust system with a combination of public and private operators through which you can navigate the city easily. We need to do a better job with public transportation here.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 10:24 a.m.

    The mode of mass transit makes a big difference. TRAX is successful because riding it is a pleasant experience. Buses are much less so because riding the bus is a bust - who likes it? Frontrunner could be a much bigger success of access to it could be improved - more stops please.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    May 5, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    American Fork, UT
    So, compared to the worst of the worst, we're not quite there yet.

    8:40 a.m. May 5, 2014


    Maybe you didn't read or comprehend the article.
    Mexico City has 9 times the population, yet only 2.5 times more pollution.

    Meaning, 1/4th the pollution output per capita.

    or inother words --
    Utah is 4 times WORSE than the worst of the worst.

    Does that make you feel better?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 5, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    So, compared to the worst of the worst, we're not quite there yet.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    May 5, 2014 6:56 a.m.

    Mr. Hoffmire is by all measures an entrepreneurial genius, he has started multiple corporations, and managed a successful investment fund. Unforunately he doesn't seem to know much about air pollution. He manages to write an editorial on Salt Lake Valley air pollution with out even mentioning Rio Tinto, large trucks, and the out dated refineries we have in the valley. He offers milk toast pearls of wisdom like this:

    "if creative programs like Ride Share could be expanded, more progress could be made"

    If the DeNews wants to devote some of its valuable editorial space to air pollution, maybe the article should be written by an air quality scientist who doen't chock on the works "enact measures to reduce pollution from corporations"!

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    May 5, 2014 6:37 a.m.

    E10 gets less gas mileage than patrolem, more fumes in the air. Winter gas gets even less gas mileage cause it is formulated to adamized in the cold.