Local flavor in the NBA: Damian Lillard shines as Jimmer Fredette sits

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  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 8, 2014 12:10 p.m.


    "Hard for a player to prove his worth when he can't get on the court. Jimmer a bust? Jimmer needs minutes. Is it because he's white?"

    Did you seriously throw the race card out there? WOW!

    Maybe there is a reason he "can't get on the court" that has nothing to do with his skin color.

    I wish no ill will for Jimmer, he has certainly had greater athletic success than I will ever have, but come on people - it not a shame to admit that maybe he just isn't NBA material. He has made a lot of money, and maybe he will still find success in the NBA. But if not, he will certainly have a great career in Europe and still make lots of money. Nothing shameful about that.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    May 7, 2014 4:29 p.m.


    Jimmer score more per minute than Andre Miller?

    LOL - as if that proves anything.

    What if I could find a player that scored more points per minute in his time in the NBA than Michael Jordan?

    LOL, see doesn't prove much.

    Besides, we're still waiting for your explanation on why you told us byu beat the team in football this year that won the big 12 title and played in a bcs bowl?

    You lost credibility on that one.

    No NBA team wants Jimmer on the floor.

    Deal with it

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    May 7, 2014 12:47 p.m.


    "One point of interest... of the stats mentioned in the article, Jimmer has better stats per minute of playing time than Miller does."

    The stats mentioned for Andre Miller were from the Bulls vs. Wizards series while Jimmer's were from the 56 minutes he played for the Bulls during the regular season. As the article mentioned, Jimmer didn't play a single second during the playoff series against Miller.

    Dave Rose allowed Jimmer to lead the nation in shot attempts per game, it was the perfect system for Jimmer. JC Carroll would have been incredible if he had played for Rose as would have Lillard. What offensive minded player wouldn't want to play for Dave Rose?

    Imagine Jimmer playing for Majerus. It might have been good for his overall game because he would have learned to be more defensive minded while still being lights out on offense. National POY under Majerus? More than likely not.

    Good luck to all four players going forward.

  • seth16 Logan, UT
    May 6, 2014 5:29 p.m.

    There are so many ways to measure "success" that they all seem ultimately arbitrary in this Lillard vs. Jimmer argument. Just because you are a fan of one doesn't mean you have to marginalize the other.

    Jimmer had a more celebrated college career than Lillard, but you could argue that if Lillard played at a higher profile school, he could have had the same. But then who knows what Lillard's future would be like if he hadn't played at Weber State? In numerous interviews, it's obvious that Lillard cherishes his underdog mentality and the chip on his shoulder that has come from being overlooked throughout his life. Now he is an All-Star in the NBA.

    Both are - as far as we know - hard-working, great guys...who are getting NBA minutes and being compensated for the degree to which NBA executives and coaches have determined they are worth.

    (To the comment on Lillard not getting media coverage: True..but it's understandable when you consider DN has certain key audiences to reach, and Jimmer fits two minorities: "Mormon Pro Athlete" and "NBA Player from Utah School." Anyway, Lillard gets infinitely more national coverage.)

  • RSLfanalways West Valley, UT
    May 6, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    I believe that Lillard will probably be the best player to ever come out of Utah to play for the NBA. People may debate it but in a few years this kid will be really good. Jimmer is a good shooter but Lillard would easily beat Jimmer one on one.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 6, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    @ Rikitikitavi

    I think everybody agrees that Jimmer is classy and is a hard worker. However, I think measuring people by their salary is inherently flawed. I also don't think anybody is envious. I just think basketball fans in this state (not just Utah fans) are tired of the hype and news coverage that is directed towards a player who rides the bench in the NBA. Especially when there are other local players who are big-time contributors on their respective teams.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    May 6, 2014 7:14 a.m.

    Fools mock. Enough said!! How comfortable is your arm-chair? How fat is your five-figure salary compared to Jimmer's seven-figure paycheck. Love to see folks beat their chest and tear another human being down. It's all about envy. Jimmer is among the classiest individuals to ever play in the Beehive State. How many points did any of you drop in any post secondary contest? Do you have the slightest clue how hard Fredette worked to get where he got?

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    May 5, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    @truth machine

    Lillard played for the team to win. Jimmer played for Jimmer. Jimmer got his stats, sure. I would rather be in Lillard's shoes now. You missed the point about Lillard skipping his senior year...if he stayed, he could have won all type of awards. Be that as it may, he was still an All-American as a junior. Drafted higher than Jimmer as a junior, too. If you want to use Lillard's freshman year, to make you fell better about Jimmer...go for it!

    Lillard didn't have as good as talent around him, so I don't know what point you are trying to make about the team losses...wow, where is that Tylenol again? Football? Weber State is a division below them. Breaking News: BYU gets home cooking! Ok great, Weber State has yet to win at Provo. They still will keep playing there. Hey, I give BYU credit for coming to Ogden, they suffer a loss now and then, but they are willing to play. The U lost to in Ogden 80-51 and hasn't played Weber State since. It's ok to admit Lillard is better.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    May 5, 2014 4:20 p.m.

    Love the way Jimmer carries himself.
    Love the way Jimmer plays when he gets in the game.
    Love all the positives.
    In couple of years when he is starting and lighting It up I would love to get apologies from all the Utah fans who are also in love with the Jimmer.

    As for the rest of the Utah related players, nicely done..... Especially Lillard.

  • Copacetic Logan, UT
    May 5, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    It's really something that even with Ute players in the NBA, almost all that the Ute fans can write about is Jimmer. Even after several years since he totally embarrassed the Utes in their game against BYU in SLC, Ute fans are still obsessed with Jimmer.

    Love him or hate him, Jimmer enthralls both his fans and his detractors and still dominates in the comment section like no other local player. That is truly a tribute!

  • Tators Logan, UT
    May 5, 2014 3:09 p.m.

    @ Chris B:

    What is really hilarious is that even with a couple of Utah players mentioned in this article, all you and other Ute fans can still write about is Jimmer. He apparently still has your goat and has obviously made you somewhat paranoid, just as BYU sports in general seems to have done... based on your ongoing comments.

    One point of interest... of the stats mentioned in the article, Jimmer has better stats per minute of playing time than Miller does.

    BTW: You actually didn't predict anything right, Chris. You predicted that Jimmer would be playing in Europe by now, and he's not. The last laugh is actually on you as Jimmer currently continues in the NBA and will continue in the immediate future to play in the NBA. And he's already made more money than you and me put together over our entire lifetimes. As such, you should probably aim a little lower with your rock throwing.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 2:57 p.m.


    "Jimmer did get more points when Jimmer was a sophomore because Lillard only played like 20 minutes as a freshman."

    Now you're just making up whiny excuses.

    Jimmer's teams dominated Damian's teams 92-62 in Ogden, 87-70 in Provo, and 72-66 in Ogden. The only head-to-head meeting decided by less than 10 points, was the game in which Damian didn't play.

    Overall, Jimmer was consensus National Player of the Year in college; remind us what kind of accolades Damian received.

    btw, did you know that Weber State has never beaten BYU in any sport in Provo - football, men's/women's basketball, baseball, softball, you name the sport - WSU is something like 0-90 lifetime in Provo.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 2:29 p.m.


    "We're mocking the fact that the best player from BYU in 30 years can't even get off the bench in the NBA."

    LOL at your inconsistency.

    Should we be mocking the fact the starting QB and MVP of the greatest win in Utah football history wasn't even good enough to sit on the bench of an NFL team?

    That doesn't make Brian Johnson any less of a person, but if your definition of professional "failure" is Jimmer, what does that make BJ?

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    May 5, 2014 12:41 p.m.


    Lillard broke his foot and didn't play when Weber State lost to BYU by six points at the Dee Events Center during Jimmer's senior year. Other than that Lillard and Jimmer had the same point total when Jimmer was junior and Lillard was a sophomore, I think it was 18, and Jimmer did get more points when Jimmer was a sophomore because Lillard only played like 20 minutes as a freshman.

    Can't make up facts...sorry. Lillard is by FAR a better player than Jimmer. He can pass and play defense. Hey, it was cute that Jimmer racked up points and shot five feet past half-court in college, but you knew it wouldn't cross over to the NBA.

    Good for Jimmer on his success, and I hope he does well, but don't throw non-sensical statements out and think they are truth. Here's another fun fact--Lillard skipped his senior season at Weber State. If he stayed, he could have won all type of awards.

    Jimmer better head-to-head than Lillard? My head's starting to hurt from reading such nonsense. Where's the Tylenol?

  • Sam the Lamanite FPO, AE
    May 5, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    Jimmer was a wonderful college player, and he was great in The Lord of the Rings.

    That being said, he may not get many more minutes of playing time in the NBA.

    I wish him the best, because he seems to be a very nice young man. But as many have pointed out, his skills don't translate well to the NBA.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 5, 2014 11:53 a.m.


    I don't understand your criticism of Jimmer going to Chicago. The Kings had already bought out his contract, so he basically had two choices. Sit out the rest of the season and look for a new team next season, or sign a short-term contract for the rest of the season, continue to learn and grow as an NBA player.

    Despite not getting alot of playing time in Chicago, he did gain valuable experience practicing and playing with another NBA team for the remainder of the season.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 5, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    Even the most obtuse detractors have never criticized his college career or Jimmer a person. Jimmermania didn't translate to the NBA, it's time to put it to rest.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    May 5, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    Whether Jimmer makes a career in the NBA or in Europe, he had a superlative college career and got a few million dollars as a lottery pick - and he married a beautiful cheerleader. He has a good life for himself and can be very satisfied. He is by no means a total failure, unless you consider a corporate VP a failure solely because he did not make it to president. NBA is the top of the line here. Not getting there does not make him less of a person.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    May 5, 2014 10:37 a.m.


    No one is suggesting Jimmer's college career is diminished because of his failure in the NBA.

    We're mocking the fact that the best player from byu in 30 years can't even get off the bench in the NBA.

  • oldschooler USA, TX
    May 5, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    His time will come, hope soon, every time Fredette had a chance to play had scored, he needs somebody who is willing to give him a chance to prove he belong in the NBA.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    May 5, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    Jimmer was given minutes when he first arrived with the Bulls. He did a decent job of scoring, but was then sent back to the bench for the same reason he rode the bench in Sacramento. Defense!!! or lack of it. In the NBA, defense matters and if you don't play your share of it, you don't play. The Jazz just lost a coach due to the lack of defensive identity on his team. Jimmer has always believed his ability to score with win out, but he has been proven wrong. He either develops some defensive toughness or he will ride the bench.

    Lillard is a complete player. Well rounded in every respect of the game at his position. As is Andre Miller (although his age is catching up with him).

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    Blame the Kings for not giving Jimmer a chance, but sitting in Chicago is all on Jimmer. He wasn't drafted to Chicago. Nobody made him go to Chicago. Jimmer chose Chicago. If he moves on to another team, Jimmer should reflect on how what sounded good versus what really happened. Learn from the sales job. Otherwise, he'll end up warming another bench.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 5, 2014 9:37 a.m.

    Desperate Utah fans are still trying to invalidate Jimmer's amazing college career because he's had a less than stellar career in the NBA, so far.

    If Jimmer's college career is diminished because of his performance in the NBA, what does that say about Utah's Sugar Bowl hero Brian Johnson who didn't even make an NFL roster?

    The truth is, college and pro careers are two entirely separate entities - you don't have to have one in order to validate the other.

    Head-to-head, Jimmer schooled Damian in college - nothing Damian or Jimmer does in the NBA is going to change that.

  • gotold Ivins, UT
    May 5, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    Actually, I would have as much confidence in Jimmer taking that last second winning shot against Houston as Lillard..... But, that is where any comparison between Jimmer and Lillard ends. Lillard is destined to have a wonderful and long NBA career while Jimmer must find a niche with some team in the bottom half of the Eastern Conference. Classy guy though who still hold his head up and roots hard for his team mates.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 5, 2014 8:05 a.m.

    Eminem(Travis Hansen) had a very successful career in Russia. He's taller, more athletic and played defense.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    May 5, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    Big 12 Call Yet?


    2013 Ute Seniors Sweep by U-40

    Are the same person. One asks the question and the same guy answers back 2 minutes later from the same city.

    Jimmer is a talent and will have a career similar to Travis (can't remember his last name) that spent a lot of productive years in Europe.

  • Pujols4mvp Lehi, UT
    May 5, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    Hard for a player to prove his worth when he can't get on the court. Jimmer a bust? Jimmer needs minutes. Is it because he's white?

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    May 5, 2014 6:33 a.m.

    Well, I called this one didnt I?

    Told ya byu fans!

  • Big 12 Call Yet? Ogden, UT
    May 5, 2014 6:31 a.m.

    I for one am shocked Jimmer has been a lottery pick bust.

    I thought for sure when we freed him from Sacramento he would go on to have a very good career

    I never saw any of this coming.

  • No playoff for U Salt Lake City, UT
    May 5, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    Our friends on the hill are obviously still smarting from the 47-point beat down that Jimmer gave them in his final appearance in the HC.

    Nobody has given more effort nor shown more class under difficult circumstances than Jimmer.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 11:52 p.m.

    @ From Ted's Head

    He was a great success in college

    He is a complete failure as a pro. One might say he is a "bust"

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    May 4, 2014 10:05 p.m.

    Teach me how to Jimmer! 12th man of the year baby!

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    May 4, 2014 9:45 p.m.

    Re: From Ted's Head

    What about the three coaches that have not trusted Jimmer to play quality minutes? Nothing against Jimmer, but there are so many articles written about him. He is the 12 man on his team and sees very limited minutes.

    Lillard hits the biggest shot of the playoffs thus far and the Utah media doesn't even say anything about it. Lillard was in more all star events than anyone in history, he won rookie of the year, but Utah media is obsessed with a guy who barely can make a roster.

    Write more articles about Lillard. He may be the best player to ever to come out of a school from the state of Utah.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    May 4, 2014 9:39 p.m.

    The backcourt of the Washington Wizards explains both why Andre Miller wasn't needed much, and also (to some extent) why Jimmer didn't play at all. Wall and Beal are both really, really good NBA guards, and if the Bulls coach was crazy enough to put Jimmer out there, either one would abuse him, scoring 80% of the time, or drawing help defense to provide a wide open teammate.

    At the same time, anything the Wizards get out of Andre Miller is gravy. Even in his late 30s he can be credible on the court and sometimes actually make a difference.

    Lillard is just a pleasure to watch, an elite guard at the game's highest level. The NBA players are so good it's a completely different game, pretty much like the difference between NCAA mens and womens basketball.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 4, 2014 7:40 p.m.

    We're proud of all 4 of the players for their achievements in college. We continue to take pride in 3 of the them for their performance in the NBA. Why not just continue to follow the 3 and let Jimmer ride off in peace?

  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    May 4, 2014 7:31 p.m.

    It's too bad that with so few athletes from Utah universities in the pro leagues that somehow they must be ranked as to their relative success. Sure, Jimmer finished his 3rd year as a pro sitting on the bench...but on the roster. Hard for anyone except a deep-in-the-bones cynic to not see Jimmer as a success. So he didn't have the best year out of this small group. Am I to believe that at least 2 pro basketball GMs have been fooled so far by his complete unsuitability for the NBA? Hardly.

  • Cedarcreek320 Star Valley Ranch, WY
    May 4, 2014 6:40 p.m.

    They are both exactly where they deserve to be.