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  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    May 6, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    Don't forget Al Gore said the polar ice cap would be gone by 2013! It is still there.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    May 5, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    All the sea rise fear, the sea has been rising for 10,000 years. Many civilizations and living sites around the earth have been covered by the ocean. And yet liberal policies demand we rebuild New Orleans which is already below sea level. Manhattan is still being rebuilt with the idea of a lower sea level. Populations have moved for thousands of years. The Clovis people arrived in the Americas because the sea levels once were so much lower. Why do liberals fear populations moving?

    And enough with the hurricane and tornado fear mongering, scientists have already said they are at reduced levels. Apparently global warming has created a reduced violent weather pattern. It must be a good thing.

    Increased CO2 has produced a greener earth by 11% greener.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    May 5, 2014 4:30 a.m.

    Wow, political activists using paranoia and fear mongering in order to push their agenda?


  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    Because something has never happened before is not much of an argument that it won't happen in the future...it all depends on the timeline. Some of us will be long gone before the truth is known. All of this brings to mind the old Bill Cosby's Noah routine. I ask higv and his company of hopeful deniers, what God asked Noah: "How long can you tread water?"

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    Re: higv "How come none of the doomsdayer prophecies on things such as overpopulation and global warming have ever came to pass? Could it be because they are wrong?"

    But global warming is happening and fast. Just finished listening to Cosmos with DeGraff Tyson. Whom shall believe, Tyson or HaHaHaHa..No contest.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    May 4, 2014 7:52 p.m.

    How come none of the doomsdayer prophecies on things such as overpopulation and global warming have ever came to pass? Could it be because they are wrong?

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 6:28 p.m.

    Global warming is ongoing and sea-level nations are already experiencing the effects.

    So pronounced is ignorance of scientific argument that it appears we are doomed to do nothing to ameliorate CO2 emissions, waiting for the deliverance of the Second Coming which will not come. Our descendants will pay the price, but what then has posterity ever done for us?

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    May 4, 2014 5:59 p.m.

    Exactly right higv. Yea, it is an exceptionally dry year in California, and Idaho, and Utah and Nevada, just like it has been a few times in the past century or three. And California's exploding 20+ million urban population on the desert borders, along with the environmental dimwit idea to worship fish just makes it even more critical.

  • Allisdair Thornbury, Vic
    May 4, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    To those that say the earth has not warmed since 1997/8 when we last had a super El Nino then why are the highest nine temperature years on record since 2000?

    If the weather forecasters are right about the changes in the Pacific surface temperatures then hold on to your hat for another Super El Nino is coming this year. I wonder if it will close down the temperature Cherry Pickers?

    How about we talk about the migration of sea life due to higher water temperature? Or maybe the increased water acidification due to increased CO2 that is damaging coral and fish populations.

    No one disaster points to climate change it is the trend that points to it. No we wont destroy the earth, we could make it hostile to human beings, the way it was before man.

    Ac "Curmudgeon" said How ironic (and fitting) it would be if the environmental calamities prophesied for the last days were actually caused by mankind itself.

  • Demosthenes Rexburg, ID
    May 4, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    Predicting doomsday has been a hobby of mankind since time immemorial. Only the bogeymen change. There is no reason to think it will stop now.

  • PeanutGallery Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    Great letter. Well said.

  • Grover Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Informed V: Liberals didn't change the lingo from global warming to climate change...conservatives did. They preferred to not use the same words used by the left. This issue is discussed on both sides of the aisle and only the extreme right keeps any action bottled up for now.

    Procura: Obama did it? Mainstream media keeps it alive? Really? How is it every issue comes back to the same answers for you? The media would report on anything and everything these days to fill the 24/7 news cycle with anything other than dead air.

    Higv: So is your position that no matter what the population grows to that the earth can support it? Because the "Population Bomb" fizzled in the Seventies, does that mean that we are good to go to 10 billion, 20 billion? Also remember that the population is not escalating in first world Countries, but the third world where wars, famine and chaos are a way of life and will eventually threaten ours.

  • ugottabkidn Sandy, UT
    May 4, 2014 11:19 a.m.

    Brian, higv, procuradorfiscal, informed voter?, ignorance is not bliss. Do nothings get no results. I suggest we be practical pragmatics and assume that we can do better. The earth is warming, for whatever reason you want to suggest, but when you let your disdain for Al Gore or James Hansen get in the way of your responsibility to your families and neighbors then it's time to come down out of the mountains to see what 7 ft of ice melt will do when Greenland is finaly back to green (and it almost is). You don't know what is causing all this. You can't say definitively that's its not being caused by you or that California's and Texas' droughts are not being caused by "climate change". So what? Hide your head in the proverbial sand?

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    May 4, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    But we didn't change our ways by 2000 and entire nations, low lying atolls in the pacific, are now facing having to make contingencies for their populations as their nations get wiped off the map. This isn't like harold camping that (no surprise) religious guy who said the world would end at 6 PM on a specific day. On any given day, climate change will not manifest in your backyard. But maybe we should pay attention to the science. Besides, what's the worst that can happen? We clean the place up for nothing?

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    May 4, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    @real maverick Farmers have had to deal with unfortunate weather events for many years before the industrial revolution, Flood, Drought, Hail, insects and mammalian pests, that is what farmers had to fend off for Millenia. Nothing to do with climate change which we can't change.

  • higv Dietrich, ID
    May 4, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    Another doomsday people talked about is overpopulation. I had textbooks that all they talked about was how we are going to overpopulate the earth. Even compared carrying capacity of animals. Animals don't grow there own food though. Can't start a new plant because it will hurt the earth.

    Thing is the population doomsday fanatics and global warming people they were dead wrong and when there prophecies fail try to cover them up.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    May 4, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    Re: "Brian, ask folks with ruined crops in California . . . ."

    Yeah, that would be the ones with desert farms not allowed to water their crops because the Obama administration will always choose fish over people.

    It just seems a little unfair to real people that liberals are constantly allowed to create horrendous problems, then propose incredibly expensive, invariably incompetent, and unfailingly unconstitutional, freedom-sapping measures to address them.

    And no one in the "mainstream" media ever calls them on it.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 7:45 a.m.

    If the writer is asking for caution, I agree. If the writer is saying "do nothing" I very much disagree.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    May 4, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    Brian is correct. Pending environmental disasters, e.g., the end of the world, are myths to stir up people to support expanded regulations and fear. In my view, the only thing worse than these false predictions is that so many people believe them. Tornadoes, hurricanes, etc., have always existed. And have you noticed "Global Warming" has now been changed to "Climate Change" because global warming has been debunked. In the 1970s the prevailing threat was deemed to be global cooling that would return the earth to the ice age. Same baloney.

  • Curmudgeon Salt Lake City, UT
    May 4, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    How ironic (and fitting) it would be if the environmental calamities prophesied for the last days were actually caused by mankind itself.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    May 4, 2014 12:20 a.m.

    Brian, ask folks with ruined crops in California, destroyed homes in Colorado, shattered lives in the Midwest, rampant tornadoes in the south, and places still underwater in New Jersey.

    Just because you haven't experienced severe weather due to man caused climate change doesn't mean it isn't happening.