@Flashback...Dear Sir. As like most conservatives you are quite incorrect. Try
yelling "fire" inside a crowded movie theater when there is not one
actually occurring and see what happens when the police arrive. All speech is
most definitely not protected. Including hate speech. It no longer shocks me how
you conservatives believe you can say anything to anyone you please without
accountability. Especially a State Representative.
Jimmy Buddy, while "hate speech" is wrong and shouldn't be
condoned, people do have their First Amendment right to say pretty much whatever
they want. You Liberals can't stand people exercising their First
Amendment rights, no matter how stupid they are.
@Maple Don...My dear Sir. Hate speech is by no means free speech!
@Suess...The proper terminology would be Asian. Not "Oriental" as you so
eloquently stated. I.E. My girlfriend is beautiful and she is an Asian from
Thailand. Good thing we no longer need organizations such as The NAACP in this
day and age when individuals still confuse food with someone's race! In
closing, Chris B. agrees with you and if that doesn't tell you anything
apparently nothing will.
"Better to Remain Silent and Be Thought a Fool than to Speak and Remove All
Doubt" -Abraham Lincoln
The legacy of racism in this country is with us today. It speaks thru skinhead
organizations peppered in the west which appears to tolerate such attitudes.
Just look at the percentages of people of color in jails and prisons. Look at
the scores of children in low income schools. While we may think that when we
see a person of color walk among us on the streets as "equal",
understand that very likely that person has been denied advancement by a system
dominated by us white folks the intent of which is to maintain our
"superiority". The Representative should join the NAACP as invited.
It sounds like SCOTUS' decision on affirmative action has emboldened some
to voice perhaps long-standing resentments. It also sounds like Rep.
Lifferth's charge put Ms. Williams on the defensive. She sounded a little
self-conscious of her position. Interesting.I think it's folly
to pretend that a single legal decision is sufficient to proclaim that we are no
longer ruled by our human nature and no longer influenced by a culture still
saturated with unspoken messages about who is more equal than whom. Have we
come a long way? Sure. Is there no longer a need for the NAACP and other
organizations dedicated to fighting for minority rights? I don't think
that's realistic or wise. Maybe we can revisit this in another generation
or two and see where we are then.I wonder, though, if what may move
us more quickly down this road is the growing divide between the Have's and
the Have-Not's. Lack of opportunity is a great equalizer - as long as the
Have-Not's don't allow the Have's to pit them against each other
on the basis of something trivial and superficial. Like race.
@mapledonwhat evidence? the fact that people like him and some if
the posters here keep making public comments about it or the fact that others
like me actually get to use our free speech to disagree with them? You seem to
want to end free speech for anyone that dares disagree with people like this by
telling us we don't get to express our disagreement.
@Maple DonHow? Because people disagree with Mr Liffert he free speech
rights are violated? What about others right to think his views are stupid or
wrong? Free speech doesn't mean you can say what you want and force people
to agree with your position, that's not free speech, it's facism. Free
speech means anyone can say any dumb thing they want, and anyone who disagrees
can call their opinion dumb. You have the right to free speech, you don't
have the right to make people agree with your point of view.
The NAACP lives to have their Ire raised, that is why they exist.
While the NAACP has it's warts it has plenty of beauty marks as well. Read
a little about the good work this organization does before you start advocating
throwing out the baby with the bath water. The comments by the Utah politican
are not suprising but regrettable none the less.
Do we need any further evidence that free speech is a thing of the past?
Thank you althought.I'm not concerned about those who are
ignorant. Just those are ignorant and powerful. Business owners, landlords,
etc.I'm not specifically endorsing NAACP, because I
haven't thoroughly researched them. I am though supportive of
organizations that defend those who are marginalized, whether they are women,
single mothers, or minorities.It's important to teach our
children to be strong. But if a landlord won't rent to them because of
their race (or because they are a woman or a single mother or ...), I applaud
those who try to stand up for them and secure for them their rights to be
Anyone who thinks we live in a "post-racial society" where African
Americans are treated equally has only to read the comments here to get a taste
of reality. I'm embarrassed for Utah when I read things like this.
@tcbdozen -- I feel for you when some uncouth bully does what he did. However,
yes, my children have been discriminated against. My son was passed over in
medical school and told quite frankly that if he were a minority he'd have
no problem getting in. My daughter has to prove herself everyday in "the old
boys club" because she's in a male dominated field. My younger daughter
sees discrimination all the time as a single mom. Who do they go to as white
people being discriminated against? If anything this has taught them to work
harder, prove themselves and show what they can accomplish. Hopefully, if
anything, I've taught them that not everyone in the world will love them
and there are some who are just uneducated buffoons that would do this to
anyone, but with integrity and self worth they can rise above the
discrimination. No, I don't need an organization such as the NAACP, who is
totally discriminatory to come to the rescue so we can hide behind their skirts.
Maybe not PC, but totally true from the Representative. And yes, have Williams
bring forth examples where she has represented anyone but blacks.
David LifferthNo truer words have been uttered than what you said. I
applaud you for making such a strong and applicable comment about the meaning of
NAACP and you also solidified it with a great solution. I would support the
National Association for All People. It is time to get rid of the NAACP. does
not the Association encourage racism by the words associated with the Letters?
I have children of African ancestry. While walking with them a couple weeks
ago, just a few hundred feet from our home, a twentysomething guy stopped his
car, rolled down his window, and yelled at us to "go back to our own
neighborhood." A lady walking near us with her kids was so disturbed we had
to talk with her for a while so that she could feel better. While a disturbing
experience for us, it's the kind of thing we've dealt with before as
parents of Black children.Have you seen discrimination against your
children because of their race?Has the NAACP outlived it's
usefulness? Is Donald Sterling the only bigot left in America who has the power
to discriminate against minorities? When those who wield economic power in this
country are truly color-blind, then the need for organizations that defend those
who are marginalized simply because of their race will be gone.
Yes, sometimes the truth is hard to hear.Well done sir!
When we talk about the conservative bubble here's exactly what we're
Ms. William says, "“We help anybody that feels that they have been
discriminated against, regardless of color.” Could she please provide
evidence of when she helped a "white" person who was discriminated
against? Or is "white" colorless and therefore not worthy of her help?
The representative is correct. There is no way the NAACP would change their name
to the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Or, at the very
least, the NAACP would not tolerate an organization that was titled the National
Association for the Advancement of White People. The NAACP would be all over
that, calling it racist, etc. But somehow, it is not racist for the NAACP to do
exactly that. The double standard is getting old.
I hope Rep Lifferth doesn't receive lots of fallout from this. I totally
agree with him -- If the NAACP is a representative of everyone they need to
change the name, because it is the NATIONAL ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF
COLORED PEOPLE. Frankly, I've been tired of hearing Ms. Williams views on
various topics -- all of them involving colored people. She got in on the
discussion of changing the name of Dixie College because that era (Civil War)
put colored people in a bad light and they were still being exploited by
"Dixie". Huh? She got in on the stabbing of the teen in Stansbury saying
it needed to be investigated to see if it was a hate crime because he was black.
I've never seen her crusading for a white or Hispanic or oriental person.
Her agenda is to promote blacks. I don't care what spin she puts on it,
NAACP is for the advancement of blacks. She said it was formed in 1906 when the
black people needed the assistance of someone. Well, Ms. Williams, we're
way past 1906, and I also feel this organization discriminatory, if by nothing
else than the name.
Using the same logic, I suppose one could assert that the Church of Jesus Christ
of Latter Day Saints is a discriminatory organization because the name suggests
the only people this group cares about are LDS. As a society we
should have moved beyond this point, with organizations representing everyone,
not just specific, self-identified minorities.
The logic is undeniable however, the NAACP still sees blacks as persecuted and
oppressed and feels a need to respond. What the representative says is just not
PC and in this day and age it just doesn't fly.