New MTC expansion plans revealed by LDS Church

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  • ulvegaard Medical Lake, Washington
    April 30, 2014 5:47 p.m.

    I appreciate very much the statement made in this April's Conference by the Auditing Committee in conclusion to their annual statement -- it was stated that just as the church asked its members to live within it means, the church in general practices that same concept.

    There are times when people might question such a project; stating that they don't think it will generate a profit. As I see it, we believe in a Prophet, not always a profit. The mandate from the Lord is that the gospel reach every corner of the globe. There is nothing in that mandate that requires or promises mass conversions, excellent retention or an easy road. The missionary work must increase, facilities must be enlarged and materials must be secured. It has nothing to do with the perceived rate of return might be.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    April 29, 2014 7:02 p.m.

    @ A scientist
    "At this early stage, it does not look like a good investment by the Church"

    and a watched kettle never boils. Give it some time. Long term investments rarely look good in the early stages, but that's not why you make them. Get back to us in a 1000 yrs and let us know how the investment looks to you.

  • SparkyVA Winchester, VA
    April 29, 2014 6:51 p.m.

    I wonder about the increase in missionaries. Since the pool was increased by adding another year, mathematically one can expect the numbers to increase 50% during the change over. But will the increase hold over time?

  • Twin Sister LINDON, UT
    April 29, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    @BYUsuperfan. On both of your comments--Well said! Well said! You know what you are talking about. Thank you for posting.

  • John Simpson ARLINGTON, VA
    April 29, 2014 5:00 p.m.

    The current plethora of 18 year old missionaries (men) and 19 (girls) is mostly borrowed from the numbers who would otherwise have started their missions at 19 (men) and 21 (women). Thus, we should not imagine that the jump in numbers is much more than a temporary blip. However, the new age criteria make it easier to complete a mission without interrupting college work. In addition, more young women may serve missions if, due to the lower age limit, they have less concern about missing out on Mr. Right as a result. Thus, some permanent gains may flow from that, once the "pig in the python" effect is past. That said, the new MTC plans are a decided improvement from the looming tower originally proposed. That edifice would been out of harmony with the neighborhood and would have become available too late for the current surge in missionaries being trained.

  • kiaoraguy Provo, UT
    April 29, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    Lot's of nattering nabobs of negativity on this thread....most from non-Provoites. For all the neighbors that weren't happy with the proposed tower, there were far more that were OK with it. As for regional MTC's , the value of being next to the BYU campus and all it's resources, including second language speaking RMs is beyond measure.While those who critique the proposals have a right to do so, if you are so sure of your opinions and feel that you are right, perhaps you need to share your feelings with the head of the Church...and I'm pretty sure the head doesn't have an office at 50 E. South Temple. So for those of us who will actually be impacted by any changes to the MTC, may I say how blessed we are to have the MTC and all it's participants in our happy city.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    April 29, 2014 12:29 p.m.

    In my last two years at the BYU in the late 1970s, I lived in the "Woolsey" house, a five bedroon brick home between the MTC and the BYU laundry. The Woolsey house and its marvelous peach trees were swallowed up by the MTC parking lot sometime in the 80s. I am not really surprised the MTC is taking over the Laundry site too. I have fond memories of the place - Where the On-Campus Girlfriends would drop off cookies for their Missionaries-in-training (Mit) next door. Ocasionally, We'd see a Mit, kissing on his Girlfriend in our driveway while his Missionary Companion concurrently looked digusted but acted as a lookout. I'm sure that couple, if they are still together, have a fond memory of their rendre-vous spot also. Prehaps their sons and daughters have gone through the MTC also. Ah, such family memorizes !!

  • BYUsuperfan PROVO, UT
    April 29, 2014 10:51 a.m.

    Strider303 With all due respect you know very little about this project. The original building also required the tearing down of several useful buildings. The laundry they are tearing down is very old and was going to be replaced in the near future. As far as Y mount it's days are numbered. some building have been tore down already for BYU medical facility a few years ago. Also BYU in the last few years has torn down almost all of their on campus housing and is replacing it with new housing. The view wasn't as important as loss of property value in it was documented that some people in the neighborhood property value had been reduced by half as much as a $100,000. I would also ask you step out in your back yard and imagine a 160 building right across your fence and the loss of privacy of people being able to look into your windows. The problem is not the expansion but how they proposed to do it. There was a better way in the end that achieved almost everyones goals so why not do it that way if you can. It's called being a good neighbor.

  • Dadof5sons Montesano, WA
    April 29, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    Why not just make regional MTC's through out the United States? one west of the rockies one east of the Mississippi and keep the one in Utah. and send those who are going to missions in that region to that regional MTC. I am glad that the Church is expanding the MTC hope the Missionary numbers expand even more.

  • oddman ,
    April 29, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    While the increase in the missionary force hasn't increased the number of convert baptisms by the same degree, the number of those who hadn't been attending has increased dramatically, all due to the missionaries spending time teaching those who have drifted. Saving souls and strengthening the church within as well as without is noble and following the admonition of the Savior to find the lost sheep.

  • Maibraina WEST JORDAN, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:48 a.m.

    @ A Scientist: You said, "And yet overall Church growth has dropped below 2% for the first time in a quarter of a century! and last year's convert baptisms increased by only 4% (compared to an investment in increasing missionaries by 40%). And retention rates are the lowest they have ever been. At this early stage, it does not look like a good investment by the Church."

    The church doesn't measure return on investment in dollars, but in the souls of men. And the reasons you listed are precisely why the church has increased the number of missionaries and is expanding the MTC. If the world is "whole", it needs no physician, and a "physician" costs more money; more missionaries; more resources of all kinds. It's not about the money.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    I wish to comment on the original plan for a high rise, as if 160 feet is a "high" rise. It is my understanding that no one has a right to a view, and as I recall reading in the DesNews, and Daily Herald loss of the precious view was a sore point. High rise buildings are an efficient use of space. All the tree huggers want everyone to be urbanized, living close to work and amenities so vehicle travel is minimized. All that would have been accomplished in the original plan.

    The new plan will raze still useful buildings, reduce married living quarters, add to landfill (razed buildings) and over all occupy more of what was once green area. All for a view.

    Oh, let's not forget the increased costs involved that diverted funds from other projects. I am of the opinion that the Church tries to be a good neighbor, too bad some of their neighbors don't always reciprocate in kind.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    April 29, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    Scientist, what does it matter that a few dogs nip at the heels of the caravan, the caravan rolls on. It will continue to roll on with or without us.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    April 29, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    Article quote: "A massive surge in the 18 months since the church lowered the age requirement has boosted the number of missionaries from 58,000 to 85,039."

    And yet overall Church growth has dropped below 2% for the first time in a quarter of a century! and last year's convert baptisms increased by only 4% (compared to an investment in increasing missionaries by 40%). And retention rates are the lowest they have ever been.

    At this early stage, it does not look like a good investment by the Church.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    April 29, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    Article quote: "A massive surge in the 18 months since the church lowered the age requirement has boosted the number of missionaries from 58,000 to 85,039."


    @ Hutterite: Your comment makes absolutely zero sense. None. I'm sure, based on the hundreds of anti-LDS comments you've made on the DesNews boards before, that this one, too, is anti-LDS, but is impossible to decipher.

  • BYUsuperfan PROVO, UT
    April 29, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Just a little more information. Just because there is opposition on a project the Mormon church announces, does not mean you are anti-Mormon. The neighbors were right to oppose the first building that was 160ft high and just yards from their neighborhood. To their credit the church was right when they decided to eventually pull back get more input and redesign the project. In the end Provo came out better and the neighborhood is much better off. In a strange way the church is also better off. Over the last two years the needs of the church changed. The original estimates were the MTC would need to house a peak of 7800 missionaries and stabilize at around 6000-6500. With the actually data of how many missionaries were coming and management adjustments the church downsized the original plan and will only need to accommodate 4500 missionaries. So if some neighbors had not complained we would have a nearly finished, 160ft mammoth building that would of been a disservice to the neighborhood, Provo and probably not as nearly efficient building for the church or MTC, considering their new reduced needs. So lets all celebrate, democracy worked and we are all better off for it.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    April 29, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    Well, I for one think it is wonderful.There is always chaos with redoing and renewing but it will be well worth it in the end. The Church always makes sound decisions and they are always for the better. They do everything they can do to make these changes as tolerable as possible. Change takes time and patience. Hopefully everyone involved will be appreciative for all the thought and work that is going into this effort.

  • Let it Go! Omaha, NE
    April 29, 2014 8:19 a.m.

    HOORAY! Let the stone cut out of the mountain without hands go. Just let it go!

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    April 29, 2014 5:25 a.m.

    Maybe the city of Provo will fix the road that goes to the MTC. It is terrible between the baseball and football stadiums!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 28, 2014 11:52 p.m.

    Traffic. Parking. Noise. Proximity to children, real or imaginary. Schools. Just Schools. I don't know if any of these apply, but every time any business of any kind wants to expand, these tired standbys are trotted out. In the end, it doesn't matter. As long as we recognise that this is the next wind farm/cel tower/shopping mall/porn store/power line/fracking anything/coal fired power plant or whatever and therefore must be rejected, I'm ok with that. After all, a perceived threat is a perceived threat.Reject it. Think of the children for once.

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    April 28, 2014 9:57 p.m.

    The body of the article uses the phrases: plans "announced" and "released". Whereas the headline states plans "revealed". That ought to settle it, I guess.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2014 9:50 p.m.

    corvette, Your obsession with all things LDS makes me happy! I love hearing about church news and I love knowing somehow it will bother you!

  • G-Day-M8 WVC, UT
    April 28, 2014 9:39 p.m.

    At red herring,

    Why post?

  • utahprincipal801 Sandy, UT
    April 28, 2014 8:47 p.m.

    Glad to see they listened the the local neighborhood folks, and planned accordingly.

  • Orem Parent Orem, UT
    April 28, 2014 8:41 p.m.

    Looks great! Can't wait to see it all happen. No one should have any complaints about these well thought out plans but I'm sure they will.

    The missionary force rolls on!