Dear Patriot, my recommendation is set aside the political lens for a while and
just focus on being a Christian. Charity will help you see and appreciate the
nuances. There are lots of good people in both parties. Best to you.
It is almost comical how some people throw around the terms of Socialism,
Communisim, Atheism, vs Christanity without having A understanding or correct
definition of their terms or their antonyms, but never the less their believes
are solid as concrete: all mixed up and set in its ways not much subject to
re:TMRWhat 'role' are you talking about exactly? My point
was the absurdity of how progressives see everything through political lenses
and if there is a way to score political points by somehow tapping into the
Christian label then they are all for trying it (see Barack Obama). I sighted
facts concerning the Democrat party which is composed of progressive -
socialists largely. Which facts do you dispute? Late term abortion?
Homosexuality? Socialism and atheism? As I recall your party BOOED God at their
last DNC in 2012. Remember? My point is IF you want to make the claim you are
Christian then you ought to at least practice what you preach. Ya think? To make
the absurd claim that you follow Jesus Christ and then turn around and vote for
late term abortion is as ugly and hipocritical as it gets. Either follow Jesus
or don't but please don't claim to be some sort of Christian when your
party platform attacks everything Christians stand for. Absurd is the only word
that comes to mind.
Mainly MeWerribee, 00These religious "progressives," i.e.,
socialists/communists were predicted in Cleon Skousen's book, "The
Naked Communist." There were 45 goals of the communist party. Here is
#27:27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
"social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."Looks like the communists are reaching their goals.1:50 a.m. April
29, 2014========= Wow!Another Skousen reader
who takes the time to read the companion to that book entitled "The Naked
Capitalist".Guess what -- Communists are the boogie man under
the stairs that destroy America -- Capitlaists are.By Glenn Beck can not
cash in onTHAT book with his listeners.==========GaryOAgreed.Jesus - LiberalJoseph Smith -
Mormons 1847, Liberals.I'm Liberal because I'm a Mormon,
not inspite of it.
@Twin Lights – “Those I know in bishoprics and stake presidencies do
a lot of questioning and analysis.”I sure hope so and perhaps
because we live in historically peaceful times whatever tension exists between
religion and rationality & our innate moral values is rarely tested. But I think it’s disingenuous to assert the tension does not
exist. For Muslims, I don’t think they have to work too hard
to find support in their sacred books for a worldview adhered to by the Taliban
or even Al Qaeda… thankfully most don’t.And medieval
Christians, who were quite familiar with the Sermon on the Mount, were
nevertheless able to reconcile their beliefs in such a way as to allow them to
burn heretics for 500 years. How is that even possible if
intolerance and religious paranoia is not found in other places in the same
sacred book (e.g., the first two commandments are hardly calls for tolerance and
religious freedom)?Thankfully, we in the West have been
“moderated” by a renaissance and later a founding of a country built
on the (often very non-Biblical) values we hold dear.
Hey "Conservatives" -Don't forget, Jesus was, is, and
always will be a Liberal.Get used to it.As a matter of
fact, there is not such thing as a truly Christian "Conservative."
“Brookings Institution — a left-leaning Washington think
tank?”WRONG. It may be Left leaning from the perspective of
Rush Limbaugh, Hitler, Clive and Ted Bundy, and the Deseret News, but not from
any objective perspective.Is Kellner looking for job at FOX
“NEWS” or something?"Religious progressivism will
never constitute the same homogeneity of the religious right," . . . Well
yeah.Progressivism is not about “homogeneity.”
It’s about progress in the nation’s mission to provide for and
“promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity” . . . As stipulated in the Constitution.More “homogeneity” is found among Christian Conservatives.
Although Christian Evangelicals may consider the LDS to be a dangerous cult,
Christian Conservatives are united in their prejudices. . . Including their
ridiculous idea that Roe Vs Wade should be overturned, and that the Obama
administration is innately evil.Conservative Christian homogeneity,
in other words, centers on prejudices and not practical solutions to problems.
THAT is the main differentiator between Christian Progressivism and Christian
Conservatism.Religious “Conservatives” in America have
more in common with the Taliban than they do with the Founders.
If people think the T-Party and mainstream Republican Party are at odds......I don't see how any religious (especially Christian) element of the
Democrat Party will be able to bridge the huge gaps being created in todays
modern progressive society. Sooner or later the Democrat Christians will have
to give up their principles and let the Democrats have it all their way with
regards to many issues that Christianity cannot ignore. Or, if they stand some
ground, welcome to the party divide. Today it seems that the progressive
secular left is getting even more contemptous of religious God believing people.
Instead of just ingnoring them, there is an open hostility to them. That could
never make for a comfortable Democrat Convention.
Patriot, you have made the best case so far as to why religious progressives
have an important role to play. Wow.
what in the world is a "religious progressive"? Is that the same as a
religious atheist? This seems to be an attempt by the left to redefine what
Christianty is .... of course ripping out 90% of the New Testaement and
replacing it with their atheist Marxist doctrine. It reminds me of something
mentioned within my own church when speaking about the natual man - "the
doctrines of men mingled with scripture". Democrats 'use'
Christianity for poltical needs but they certainly don't practice it. How
can you pass laws to murder children and promote homosexual sex and adopt the
athiest philosophies of Socialism and then turn around and call yourself a
follower of Jesus Christ? This is absurd but it doesn't surprise me. One
thing is clear - the divide between the left and the right in this country is as
wide and deep and the Grand Canyon and ...growing by the day. There certainly is
a clear choice when voting between the two.
Tyler D,My understanding is that the 911 terrorists were not living
their religion despite their willingness to sacrifice themselves.For
many converts to the church (and that includes many who grew up in it) their
current conversion was preceded by a long period of questioning and doubts.
Certainly was for me and many I know. Those I know in bishoprics and stake
presidencies do a lot of questioning and analysis.
Corporate business organized church religion is social poison regardless of how
it is diluted.
@slcdenizen – “It's funny how religion seems not to temper
fierce political views, but to enhance them with two parts certainty and one
part self-righteousness.”One of the most accurate and
insightful comments I’ve ever seen and gets right to the heart of what is
most troubling about religion: it indoctrinates irrationality while
simultaneously short circuiting doubt – a combination perfectly designed
to create people who fly planes into buildings and are 100% certain they are
doing “God’s will.”
Religion doesn't just bridge the divide. It helps create it.
If nothing else, this progressive religious movement will dispel the notion that
religion and its place in society exclusively belongs to the conservatives.
Religion has a broad intellectual and spiritual sweep and should be as
comfortable of a fit for progressives as it is for conservatives.
"Paul Begala called the term 'religious progressives' an oxymoron
like 'Jumbo Shrimp,' but it turns out that jumbo shrimp do
exist."Begala's right, religion needs to stay rooted in the
scheme of making money the way Jesus intended. Televangelists, tithing-centric
churches, and business hybrids are more representative of "love thy
neighbor" than these progressive groups that care for the poor and
downtrodden. It's funny how religion seems not to temper fierce political
views, but to enhance them with two parts certainty and one part
These religious "progressives," i.e., socialists/communists were
predicted in Cleon Skousen's book, "The Naked Communist." There
were 45 goals of the communist party. Here is #27:27. Infiltrate
the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion.
Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity which does
not need a "religious crutch."Looks like the communists are
reaching their goals.