Mike Richards 2nd post on 4/25..."Words have meaning....
It's easy to throw around the wrong word, isn't it?"Lets hear it for semantics. Much like your perception of the Constitution.I don't know that the GOP is entirely to blame. Recent conservative
populist movements i.e. the religious right (my favorite oxymoron) or the Tea
Party are another story.The real problem w/ American Politics is
there are too many lobbyists, bureaucrats, PAC's, transnational companies,
special interests groups, & politicians with Ivy League degrees.
@There You Go Again 7:33 a.m. April 28, 2014Resurrect Ronald
Reagan.-------------------------He couldn't make it
through a Republican primary season. Why? He's not far-right enough. His
policies and politics would make him a RINO in their eyes. Same thing for Barry
Goldwater ("Mr. Conservative" who defined and established the
conservative movement and the far right edge of the political spectrum in the
1960s).Thanks to the hijacking of the Republican Party to the far
right in the 1990s, true conservatives are now considered moderate, mainstream
Republicans. It's time for true conservatives to take back the property
from the self-called "conservatives" who, in truth, are anything but.
This has to be one of the silliest letters I have seen.
ugottabkidn:"wrz, you didn't quote the entire 2nd
Amendment..."Is it your position that there must exist a well
regulated militia for anyone to keep and bear arms? In which case no one can
own a gun because there does not exist a militia. Unless you're counting a
National Guard as a militia... which it isn't."Even your
man Scalia has stated there is no unconditional rights (witnessed him saying it
myself)."What Scalia says on his own hook is meaningless, unless
he's talking for SCOTUS. Which he wasn't.Schnee:"So you think all the other background checks that occur are
unconstitutional too?"There is nothing in the Constitution about
background checks. In fact, it says 'will not be infringed.' What
does 'will not be infringed' mean to you? "Should
anyone at all be able to have guns no matter what?"That's
what it says... 'shall not be infringed.' If the Congress considers
this to be in error, it can amend the Bill of Rights. Which it hasn't."The laws take that (time-on-the-job) into account."Tell that to your guy, Obama, who's White House is in violation.
I don't mind people having an opinion as long as it's Constitutional.
@ 2 bits, procuradorfiscalYou might consider the difficulty of being
taken seriously with pals like Cliven Bundy, Russell Pearce and Mike Lee.
Define "American Wishes"... because I don't think we all have the
same wishes (regardless of what the polls tell you).It's common
knowledge that you can design a poll to give you any result you want.
That's why I don't trust running the country on media polls.===IF ObamaCare was so great... why was it designed so that most
of it wouldn't go into affect until Obama's SECOND Term...? Was that
so he could get re-elected?And IF it was so great... why did they
design the roll-out plan that required the most painful parts not be implemented
until AFTER his second term was over (and some other President would have to
suffer the grief)?IF it was so great... why not do it all in his
first term???===If the "Dream Act" was every
Americans Dream... why doesn't anybody even dare propose it?They didnt vote in Congress... Obama just made it law (by executive order) and
bypassed Congress!===I think these pages prove that all
Americans don't have the same wishes...Just because
there's a poll that says we want it... doesn't make it law...
Ajax,Keep blaming it on the OTHER side... and I'm sure that will fix
the problem... or at least make it so YOU can sleep well at night (knowing
it's just the other side's problem... not yours)...Partisanship can be such a soothing drug... Doesn't solve anything...
but makes us feel so much better...
Re: "The left has its problems to be sure, but nothing like the purposeful
rejection of reason and common decency that we’re facing from the super
right."You mean the purposeful rejection of reason involved in
demanding an end to Big Government profligacy and monetary irresponsibility? Or
the rejection of common decency involved in seeking assurances that human unborn
will be given the freedom to be born?How about the rejection of
reason inherent in demanding an immigration and border security policy that
actually controls both? Or in demanding an environment policy that doesn't
view humans as a noxious exotic species that should be wiped out? Or a
foreign/military readiness policy that involves a reasonable level of readiness?
Or a public land-use policy that permits actual land use?It
literally drips with irony that a liberal would invoke bellicosity,
inconsideration of the opinions of others, and a Taliban-like rejection of
reason as his objections to the American right.Those traits have
been the exclusive province of the left for more than a century.
The hard right bellicosity and unwillingness to even consider the possibility of
common ground is the bane of Islamic nations, the scourge of Israel and a threat
to the U.S. The left has its problems to be sure, but nothing like the
purposeful rejection of reason and common decency that we’re facing from
the super right.
lost in DCWest Jordan, UTairnaut,you mean you are
surfing the web on your employer's time?1:16 p.m. April 28,
2014======== Surfing the web - no, absolutely not!Reading the Deseret News on my breaks and lunch time - yes.And
you?Are you self or un-employed?Pardon me -- I have F-16 parts
to fabricate, before some Republican off-loads it to Communists in China
Where do all of you backward thinking conservatives get your facts? Wake up! 50%
of the American people are not against Obamacare. Even by using a Faux News poll
the numbers are clearly in favor. Possibly the Republicans can stop fighting our
President regarding nearly everything. Especially what the majority of the
people are clearly in favor of. All the kicking and screaming like a 3 year old
will not change this.
@Robert Nohavec,Re: "Please tell me, what I can do?For
one... you need to quit pretending it's just Republican's fault.We didn't get where we are today just because one party
doesn't get it. BOTH parties don't get it.I've said
this a hundred times... Just getting rid of Republicans... won't fix your
problem. It's not that simple! And people who pretend it is... are
clueless as to the REAL root cause of our problems.Hint... Our
problem is not just the existence of the other party.... as you've been
trained to think by your party-programmers (both sides).====Second...If you think only Republicans have problems with
immigration reform... what happened when President BUSH proposed it... and
Congress (including Democrat leadership) refused to even vote on it and it died
without a vote???===Third...If we are going to
Govern by polls... why have elected Representatives?Just let
popularity polls make the rules!====And as for that
document that says we are a Representative Republic... why bother with that
whole old fashioned thing... just allow the President to do whatever the polls
tell him the public wants...
@wrz"Have you read the US Constitution were it says '...the right
of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed?'"So you think all the other background checks that occur are unconstitutional
too? Should anyone at all be able to have guns no matter what?"'Equal work' has to be adjusted by time-on-the-job."The laws take that into account.
As long as politicians are beholden to billionaire fundraisers/donors,
there's no reason to expect that they will listen to the rest of us (a
recent study found essentially 0 correlation to popular opinion and how Congress
votes, the only strong correlation was with what the rich want). It's no
coincidence at all that Governors Perry and Jindal wrote letters to Congress
asking them to ban internet gambling a few days before they flew to Vegas to
meet with casino mogul Sheldon Adelson. On the Democratic side (it's not
only Republicans), Lieberman, Nelson, and Lincoln opposed the public option
while collecting heavy campaign contributions from the health insurance
lobby.@Fitness Freak"They (demos)are trying their best to
talk about ANYTHING but Obamacare."The Democratic senate
candidates in Alaska, Arkansas, and Louisiana are running on it. It's
actually the Republicans who are starting to quiet down. Cotton (R-Arkansas) is
now quiet about whether he wants to get rid of Arkansas's "private
option" medicaid expansion. Even Scott Brown (now running for New Hampshire)
whose entire political existance was based on being against Obamacare is now
silent on the issue.
wrz, you didn't quote the entire 2nd Amendment, quit misrepresenting it.
Even your man Scalia has stated there is no unconditional rights (witnessed him
saying it myself). As for the rest of this pointless banter, since 2010 we have
all seen the most unproductive Congress in the nation's history. Since
Boehner and Co have vowed to obstruct (public record) even on the day of
POTUS's inauguration day then where will history place the responsibility?
This coupled with a record number of filibusters history is set. Exit polls on
election day 2010 were emphatic that Congress was switched primarily because of
high unemployment and the hundreds of thousand jobs that have fled overseas, yet
not one single jobs bill has even come up for a vote in the House. Please, be
But, Robert..."(1) favor requiring background checks of
prospective purchasers of firearms at gun shows..."Have you read
the US Constitution were it says '...the right of the people to keep and
bear arms shall not be infringed?'"2) favor giving women
equal compensation for equal work..."'Equal work' has
to be adjusted by time-on-the-job. On balance women have less time on the job
because they take time off the job to have and raise families. Men
don't."(3) favor requiring health plans to cover birth
control costs..."For some religions birth control, including
abortion, is against their religion and thus, a violation of the US
Constitution's 1st Amendment."(4) favor allowing illegal
immigrants to stay in the US and apply for citizenship."Giving
some illegal immigrants a leg up for citizenship is against the US
Constitution's 14th Amendment which requires 'due process' and
'equal protection under the law.' All who wish citizenship must obey
immigration laws including filling out the appropriate applications and getting
in line.Seems your beloved Democrats are out in left field on your
issues... and many more.
"How can I help America return to a government of the people, by the people,
and for the people? Please tell me, what I can do?"Vote.
Encourage your neighbors to vote.SCOTUS has ruled that Corporations
are People, Money is Speech, And they are getting ready to sanction campaign
lies. The people have the ability to fight back through the election polls
because Corporations can not vote. Money can not vote. Only People can vote.
Mike RichardsSouth Jordan, Utahre: airnaut,How many
people in the DOD (you know, the department of the government that YOU work for)
lobby Congress to keep YOUR job in Utah?====== 1. Nobody
from the DoD "lobby's" Congress -- it's usually Congress
begging the USAF to keep HillAFB open. Orrin Hatch has scared voters for
42 year and made a "career" out of it.2. My job in one of
the few authorized in Section 1, Artilce 8 of the Constitution -- so why are YOU
attacking me?3. Bribery is an act of giving money or gift giving
that alters the behavior of the recipient. Giving $100's Millions in
un-limited campaign contributions is "bribery", NOT Free Speech -- plain
and simple.4. You get mad about Government spending, well
here's one for you --- The USAF doesn't really want a $1
Trillion F-35, but Lockheed/Martin managed to lobby Congress to buy it for
them.YOU blame the DoD and the Government,I blame who is really
responsible -- Defense Contractor -- Lockheed/Martin.
What we are seeing here are more and more attempts by demos. to deflect from the
issue of Obamacare which WILL result in many demos. losing their coveted elected
positions in 2014. They (demos)are trying their best to talk about ANYTHING but
Obamacare.Notice the author forgot to include the demographic that
reflects the fact that over 50% DON'T WANT Obamacare.
Maybe you should move to Canada or Mexico, where there are no Republicans, and
your healthcare will be free and plentiful, and illegal, undocumented entry into
these respective countries is encouraged and welcomed! Or maybe not?
Show me polls from unbiased sources first, and then I might listen.
Robert,Let’s look at the issues you raise and where you falsely try
to put the blameEqual compensation for equal work – laws are
already on the books, this is just a boogeyman dems are trying to create to
deflect attention from their failed policies. Why has BO NOT been enforcing
those laws already on the books? Maybe if they spent less time persecuting
their political opponents and enforcing laws ALREADY ON THE BOOKS, there would
not be an issue.Favoring requiring birth control in health plans
– there’s a little thing called the bill of rights, giving
protections to people of conscience. Even IF the poll is correct, it CANNOT
override the 1st amendment.Illegal immigrants and residency –
Repubs HAVE been willing to talk about this, but dems REFUSE to go along with a
secure border. Without a secure border, no other fix works.No, when
properly viewed, fault for the problems you cite lie at the feet of the dems.And ignoring the will of the people? You mean how the dems rammed
Obamacare through when the majority of the population OPPOSED it?Ranch,Playing the race card shows the weakness of your position.
re: airnaut,How many people in the DOD (you know, the department of
the government that YOU work for) lobby Congress to keep YOUR job in Utah? Is
lobbying for the DOD "bribing" people in Congress? What's the
difference between you and your peers twisting the arms of Congress and me and
my peers asking them to do something? The difference is that it's YOUR job
and because it's YOUR job, it's important to YOU. Why did Hatch work
so hard to get the NSA complex built in Bluffdale? Was that the
"bribery" that you're talking about? Words have
meaning. When you use "bribery" instead of "free speech",
isn't that slander, or does the meaning of a word depend on who uses that
word? If the Supreme Court rules against your wishes, have those Justices been
"bribed"? I wonder what they would say about that if you had to defend
yourself before them? Would you rely on "free speech" when they
discussed the word "treason" with you? It's easy to throw around
the wrong word, isn't it?
Re: "How can I help America return to a government of the people, by the
people, and for the people?"Step one -- stop listening to
disingenuous liberal bleating about what real people want.Exactly
none of your assertions about what Americans really want is actually true. Those
are just liberal talking points that seem to them to resonate -- but only in the
liberal echo chambers.Those that purposely exclude input from real
MountanmanVictor, IDRobert. From what polls are you getting your
information? I could find no poll suggesting what you claim. But I did find
several polls about Obamacare and Obama's approval that will not make you
happy.7:08 a.m. April 28, 2014[Holy Cow Mountanman --
the DN had it Hyper-linked in the article FOR you -- it don't get any
easier than that]========== Mike RichardsSouth
Jordan, UtahDoes the letter writer think that he has the right to impose
rules and regulations that are expressly forbidden by the Constitution?[Please show us where in the Constitution that open and unlimited bribery of
our political representatives is Consitutional.Because as I read it
in Section 4 -- Bribery IS an impeachable offense under high crimes and
misdomeanors.And DON'T try to tell me that politicians are
taking in 110's of millions of dollars with NO strings attached.No business man worth his salt invests money is something and does not
expecting something of equal or greater value in return.]
It is the Tea party radicals. The people that support Bundy from Bunkerville.
Suggestions 1, 3, and 4 would be against the law, even against the constitution.
Quoting liberals, you can't just vote to violate the constitutional rights
of others. Then there is the equal pay issue. It is a non-issue.
Currently women in the same job as men make 7% MORE than than the men. It is
only when you factor in the many women in unskilled jobs that there is a gap.
Folks, you have to do your research on every claim your beloved Obama makes.
Haven't you learned this yet?
NBC News-Wall Street Journal poll mid March asked respondents whether they would
be more or less likely to vote for a candidate who "supports a pathway to
citizenship for undocumented.". Forty-two percent of those surveyed, said
they would be "less likely," while thirty-six percent said they would be
"more likely" to support a candidate who supports amnesty. ABC News-Washington Post poll last week that found that 39% of registered
voters were less likely to vote for a candidate who supports amnesty. That poll
found that only 27% of registered voters were more likely to vote for candidates
who support amnesty.Big business lobbyists are arguing that the
Republicans need to pass amnesty, or get voted out. It's just the opposite.
Does the letter writer think that he has the right to impose rules and
regulations that are expressly forbidden by the Constitution? Who gave him that
power? We have a contract between government and the people. Government cannot
impose firearm laws - period. They cannot regulate the number of rounds that a
firearm's magazine holds - period. They cannot require permits to use
firearms - period. They cannot censor what we say - period.They cannot dictate religious doctrines - period.They cannot
search our email or listen to our phone calls unless a judge has authorized it
based on probable cause - period.They cannot seize our stock or
bonds without paying for those stocks or bonds - period.They cannot
tax us for anything not listed in Article 1, Section 8 - period.They
cannot legislate on the federal level unless we have preauthorized that duty -
period.The letter writer obviously doesn't believe the words
written in the Constitution. He blames the Republicans. Perhaps he should
Resurrect Ronald Reagan.
53% think neither party represents the American people, both parties have a
credibility gap (Rasmussen reports). Most major media believe that Obama will
hurt the Democrats in 2014.
"Why? Must they act only to satisfy their corporate donors? Are we no longer
a functioning democracy and instead really an oligarchy primarily serving the
desires of the wealthy?"Yes.
Robert. From what polls are you getting your information? I could find no poll
suggesting what you claim. But I did find several polls about Obamacare and
Obama's approval that will not make you happy.
I think you're way off-base laying blame on Republicans. The same things
are being said about Democrats regarding these, and many other issues, all led
by a President who has no regard for the Constitution, the people's wishes
or even the laws of the land.Without a responsive, unbiased media,
we're helpless save for elections... and here again, consistent voter fraud
is a hallmark of the Democratic party.In my experience, there are
receptive, fair politicians in both parties who will at least tell you why they
oppose or support what you want. Write to your Senator and Representative and
get their reasoning straight from their office. I've found almost without
exception that what they tell me is either different, or much more clear than
what the media is saying.
Answers to your questions:1) There's a black man in the
Whitehouse.2) He's a democrat.
Anyone interested in reading about the GOP's extremism and the situation in
Congress should read the book written by 2 political scientists who have worked
in Washington for over 40 years. The book is titled: "Even Worse than we
Thought." They had an op-ed in the Washington Post titled:
Let's face it, Republicans are the problem.Our current state in
DC is just despicable. It's almost as if we have a winner take all
parliamentary system where the majority party doesn't have to reach across
the aisle to govern. Unfortunately, because of the separation of powers, in
order to govern one must reach across the aisle.Which is why the tea
party has made governing impossible.Which sadly, is exactly what the
anti-government folks like Norquist and Koch bros want. If government is
destroyed then corporations are free to gouge, cheat, pollute, enslave, and do
whatever they want.We have gotta get rid of the tea party and enact
serious campaign and ethic reform in Washington.Then, we must focus
on protecting the American worker, raising taxes to sane levels, enacting
serious regulation on the banking industry, and rebuilding our infrastructure.
Excellent letter.The truth is, there's not much we can do
because right now even the moral compass of our country, the Supreme Court,
believes that bribery is a form of free speech. How perverse is that? All 5 of
the 9 SC judges believe that bribery is free speech and all 5 are Republican.The solution?We need to vote the Republicans out and elect
Democrats. We need to hold Democrats to the fire to fulfill our wishes. To be continued...
"How can I help America return to a government of the people, by the people,
and for the people? Please tell me, what I can do?"If you really
want a return to government "of the people" stop seeing everything
through a party lens. That- more than the claims we're about to read in
the hyper-partisan comments from both sides in response to your letter - would
return us to a government "of the people".