to JCSDo you ever get tired of posting the same monologue ad
naseuam? to Digomart"...But it doesn't bug me
when the secular business world avoids portraying or invoking God in order to
turn Him into a marketable commodity."Agreed. Besides, Madison
Ave & Hollywood would pale in comparison to politicians in this arena.
I don't think we need to get into politics, especially when we are
commenting on a movie's industry's decision. But if we
have to, may I say that governments need a belief system in order to function.
You cannot have a government in which they both support and oppose gay marriage,
abortion, or smoking something illegal. There has to be restrictions.Most of the time, that belief system has STRONG religious origins. So if at
the time of the American Revolution Christianity found abortion to be evil, then
it would be common sense to the founding fathers, who would make a law about it.
You cannot really seperate religion and state because they rely on
each other. One without the other.
If you want to see a movie with a massive pro-gay agenda, go see the cartoon
"Happy Feet". It was hardly subtle and very, very disappointing.
Speak2Truth: "Disney has indeed become an agent of social change.
Communists call this "feminizing" a society, eliminating the Father as
head of the family and role model for his children."----------this is nothing new in Disney movies. Who ran the
household in Snow White? Where was her father? In Sleeping Beauty? Again, the
Step Mother ran the show. No father to protect her. How can a princess be in
distress unless the father is too weak to protect her.It is not new.
Shocked? Surprised? Been asleep for a few decades?
To King's Court: Why is this even an issue in Utah where the majority of
people believe in personal freedoms (or so I thought)?Many citizens of the
United States of America believe in God and we appreciate our freedom that is
provided by our Military men and women. If this is what Disney is going to make
a practice of then we will not be attending any more Disney movies.
Sprywolf, the movie "Brave" had only one parent, the Mother. All males
in that movie were caricatured as idiotic, brawling, bumbling, rage-filled
buffoons. There were no Men in the movie.Disney has indeed become an
agent of social change. Communists call this "feminizing" a society,
eliminating the Father as head of the family and role model for his children.
Lenin quickly grasped the power of movies to affect the social mores of the
viewer and Leftists continue to aggressively manipulate society through them.Sadly, in the past decade or two, even Disney has succumbed to the
God-hating and Father-hating Leftist agenda.
@I know/live/love it."An older gentleman essentially called "Let
it Go" a 'disguised gay propaganda' piece."Many
people compared Elsa to many other things. Some compared it to a struggle with
depression. I'd even seen someone compare it to joining the LDS church. And
yes, some find similarity between it and coming out. People will
claim that they're not against gay people, just same-sex marriage. Okay, so
what if he's right and there's something to this gay thing.
There's no marriage for Elsa, no relationship, no sex... if she's the
equivalent of a gay person, wouldn't she be the sort of gay person
you'd all be just fine with? Or are you not fine with it? Is it really
about more than same-sex marriage and same-sex sex? Do you believe gay people
should conceal, don't feel, don't let them know? Is that the problem,
she left her room/closet?Granted, BYU's survey asked if people
were "heterosexual and don't struggle with same-sex attraction" or
"heterosexual and struggle with same-sex attraction" so... I
shouldn't be surprised.
Disney did Other Side of Heaven
Why is it necessary to overanalyze EVERYTHING! Why can't a cute movie be
just that-a cute movie. Why plant all these ideas in people's heads?
Can't we just let children be children and have fun and let adults help
them to realize their potential? Why does everything have to have a Hidden
Agenda or conspiracy? We live in a country that has thrived on individual
thought and innovation for a long time....give people a little credit.
God and church have rarely been visible (or audible) in popular American
entertainment. Even back in the good-old-days of television, the archetypal
sitcom families that cultural conservatives look back to so fondly ("Father
Knows Best" and such) may have had strong moral underpinnings, but God or
church were not usually part of the family life. As for Disney, it would be hard
to find an film that had a more Biblical basis (or more beautifully animated)
than "Pinocchio," but that was a long time ago. Still, popular
entertainment in the US has seldom overtly acknowledge God. I am a
Christian and believe that Jesus is my Savior. But it doesn't bug me when
the secular business world avoids portraying or invoking God in order to turn
Him into a marketable commodity. Let them remain secular--Hollywood would not be
very good at promoting God anyway.
I get tired of how often people dismiss "Disney conspiracies" as being
ridiculous.After Prop 8, 2009 and 2010 was filled with more SSM
debate in the media than ever before. I said that the Pixar short "Day &
Night" was a response to it, or at least generally at conservatives.People said I was crazy.An older gentleman essentially
called "Let it Go" a 'disguised gay propaganda' piece.Everyone thought he was crazy.At this point, I really
wondered how so many could dismiss something. I wondered if everyone was blind
to what they didn't want to see. Then Disney openly cuts the cord with the
Boy Scouts admittedly because of their position on this issue./////With respect, I ask to everyone who pledges their devotion to
the great Mickey Mouse- what does it take? How spelled-out does it have to be?
To Oatmeal: While not actually a movie the wildly popular Sophia The First
series is a prime example of not only a traditional family but a mixed
traditional family. If you are unaware the debut of the series centers around a
widower king with a young son and daughter and a commoner with her daughter
Sophia who fall in love and get married. Subsequent shows in the series continue
to emphasize this family and the family's structure. I really think
this over analysis of Disney movies has gotten out of hand. Now Frozen is
suggested to be not only pro gay but anti religious. The Atlantic magazine
article linked to sites examples from Pinocchio (1940) and Dumbo (1941) among
many others. Apparently I've been exposed to pro gay subliminal messages my
entire life and didn't know it. I think all of these people looking for
dark sinister hidden meanings has become an obsession. To steal a phrase I think
it is time to just let it go.
Who cares! Disney is a privately owned corporation and they can do what they
want. Why is this even an issue in Utah where the majority of people believe in
personal freedoms (or so I thought)?
One nation under god.In god we trust.Now if we can just fix that
separation in church and state thing.All things come from god. Why
wouldn't we have him involved in All things.
Which God?In my travels, I have met many good people who are not
Christian. Their God is just fine by me, they lead good lives.The idea
that this is a Christian Nation is wrong. The majority may be Christian, but
the State takes no sides. Their attitude eludes me. This Country was founded
on the principles that there is not a State Religion. Please stick with it, and
enjoy your own beliefs and do not impose them on everyone.
The point is that even though the movies try to make them universal for everyone
(such as excluding any reference of God in order to appease those not of the
Christian faith), you can still see lessons supporting Christian values, such as
enduring to the end and standing up for what is right.So let Disney
be. As long as they make movies that inspire people to do good in the world,
they are fine.
@JCS"Disney used to support traditional marriage and family."What are you using as an example of something that goes beyond
Frozen's emphasis on love of family? And as for traditional marriage,
there's clearly a blossoming relationship at the end of the movie there.
More realistic than other Disney movies anyway, after all, who marries someone
they just met?
The original fairy tale written by Hans Christian Andersen is completely
religious. It has always been a favorite of mine. Frozen has retained, little,
if any, of the original story. The original starts with Satan and his minions
trying to take a mirror to Heaven. It falls and breaks which causes pieces of it
to get into your heart or eye. It is a story of sacrifice as the young girl in
the story goes on a journey to rescue her childhood friend, who is a boy, by the
way. I like Frozen because the one sister was willing to give her life to save
the other's. The real story would never have worked for Disney.
I don't think Disney specifically tries to put God in it's movies or
to keep Him out. I think they try to make movies the appeal to a broad
audience. Unfortunately religion can be very divisive, not everyone agrees.
Disney has included religious themes and reference in some of it's
movies.The Thor quote is take out of context.@ Oatmeal,
to answer your question; Brave. Besides Disney movies have a lot of examples of
two-parent traditional family, just like they have examples of many types of
What was the last Disney movie that portrayed a two-parent traditional family?
Parents' life expectancies in Disney films is rather short as well!
Modern Hollywood has an open and stated agenda of attacking religion and
traditional notions of morality. This trend by Disney is distressing evidence of
just how far this agenda has infiltrated the entertainment industry. Disney used to support traditional marriage and family. Now, even its
cartoons belittle marriage and portray a complete lack of restraint in
interpersonal relationships.Frozen is the perfect example of
subversiveness. The politically correct propaganda simmering just beneath the
surface is nothing less than frightening.
I hope so. God, as a concept is personal and puts an element of division in
something like a disney movie that really doesn't need to be there.
So, Odin and Thor not being God or gods is a bad thing for Christians? Writing songs and movies that are inclusive of all view points is also a bad
thing?There have been so many articles and letters in this paper
about the need for different viewpoints and how people should not be shut out or
shut down if they have differences, but now this article is complaining because
a secular institution which makes movies based on fantasy doesn't fantasize
enough about God.I suppose if God was included, people would be
complaining because they didn't like the way he was being portrayed.Here is an interesting thought - just because someone doesn't
pepper everything they say and do with references to God, does not make them
anti-God or anti-Christian.I mean seriously, do we really need
references to God in fairytales? Do you really want children to view Him in the
same fantasy light as Cinderella's fairy godmother?