Lois M. Collins: Ukraine hoax fuels anger, revulsion that's heartening to see

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 22, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    Yah... there's a difference.

    If you are there on a business trip or vacation, you don't have to register you are staying in hotel xyz. But you are on a different type of visa, and you are only there for a few weeks.

    If you plan to live there for a few years... it's different. Where I served you have to have documentation that you are clergy (and carry it with you at all times), and documentation stating you are there on church business (and won't be taking anybody's job). Prove you have a place to live, and the means to support yourself.

    It's not "wrong". It's just their way of keeping tabs on long term non-citizens living in their country.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 22, 2014 1:30 p.m.

    2Bits.... understood. I have not done business in the Ukraine but in a few of its neighbors.... have had to get guest visa's to do my work.... but never had to register in each city. Per my son, most visitors don't need to register in the cities... but since they were working clergy, they did have to - what ever that means.

    On my mission, I never had to register anywhere. But I really don't see the harm in having long term visitors to our country register s the localities they setup home in.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 22, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    I don't know if it's "Wrong" to have to register in each city if you are there on a mission.

    I had to visit the police station and register in each city when I was transferred in Japan. I didn't see it as "wrong". It's a perfectly valid thing to do.

    Many Missionaries are not citizens of the countries they serve in. It's perfectly valid for that country to want to track where you live and what you are doing while you are in their country.


    It's not a religious thing. I was not a citizen, and they had a right to know where I was, and what I was doing.

    Just as we have a right to know who is in our country, and what they are doing.

    There's a difference between requiring citizen Jews to register... and requiring visitors to your country to register.

    One is calling out special treatment for citizens of a specific religion (people who have the same rights as any other citizen). The other is not focusing on any specific religion, just tracking the whereabouts of visitors to their country. Perfectly valid thing to do...

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 22, 2014 9:36 a.m.

    Outlandish... if you don't know how Ukraine works.. yes. But you see my son who was a missionary in Ukraine recently had to register with the local governments every time he changed cities. "Registering" with the local government you see is not something new in the Ukraine.... and it is not limited to Jews. LDS missionaries do so now.

    So on its face it is a little un-nerving. But in the context that such "registrations" are common in the Ukraine, not quite as provocative. Still wrong.... but not new or a change in policy.

  • jenkers Salt Lake City, UT
    April 22, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    I don't think the reporter picks the photo.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    April 22, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Why did you post a picture of an ultra-Orthodox individual praying for this piece. The majority of Jewry in the world are not orthodox much less ultra-Orthodox. To me this plays to prejudicial instincts that Jews are somehow so much different from other people.

    I know that Mormons, and the LDS hierarchy, get horrified when images of the RLDS (multiple winery, 19th century attire, and 19th century life style) are posted around as example of what a Mormon looks like.

    Why is not this media outlet willing to see the other side of that coin?