Attorney appointed for mom accused of killing 6 infants; charges still pending

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  • A Quaker Brooklyn, NY
    April 23, 2014 8:10 a.m.

    @Red, @MrBean, @hockeymom: You may see infanticide as equivalent to abortion, but I do not. By any measure, infanticide is homocide. Genesis tells us that God gives us our souls with our first breath. Science tells us that 24 weeks of gestation will get a fetus to the point where it has some chance to take that first breath in the world, albeit with assistance. Before that, not so much.

    This woman apparently didn't want these children to live. For whatever reason, finances, moral turmoil, secrecy, she couldn't or wouldn't avail herself of early termination of her pregnancies. So, she gave birth and, according to allegations, either snuffed them or just let them die.

    You see absolutism in this discussion and no moral difference. I see a huge difference between humane treatment of this woman, with its availability of medical intervention to end unwanted pregnancy, or get her tubes tied, and the horrors she allegedly committed in response to her unresolvable conflict.

    PS: Don't you find it odd to see responses to messages which have been deleted?

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    April 22, 2014 5:46 p.m.


    Imagine a man eating a growing Apple straight from a tree branch.
    Now imagine him eating a picked apple.
    The result: A man ate 2 apples.

    A woman gets an abortion.
    Later on, she gives birth and murders her child.
    The result: 2 babies lives are taken.

    The 'timing' doesn't change the "action", so it's technically comparable. The morality of an act is a different question and for God to decide. Forgive this analogy, but... Cake and pie are different, but still food. Which tastes good or bad is up to you. That doesn't mean they aren't food still.


    A Quaker,

    I don't base my will on theory, but faith. Faith is evidence of things unseen. That's a debate for another day. But suffice it to say there is far more and far stronger evidence supporting the Savior's life, love for us, and the reality of the atonement and potential of the family than scientists have to support the boson. Worshiping man is foolish.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 22, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    @ Red, the rationalization is yours. The comment trivializes this tragedy as well as the issue of abortion.

  • Red San Antonia, TX
    April 22, 2014 9:03 a.m.

    Of course we can talk about Abortions regarding this story. That is really what it is about.

    When we kill little kids the abortionists are trying to show how humane they are by crying foul and saying that this lady crossed the line. That way they can feel better about themselves because they only killed the little kid who wasn't born yet.

    The rationalization is silly.

  • Dan Taylor Keyser, WV
    April 22, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    Has this women stated yet why she did this or even if she did this alone? I think that's what most people would like to know. What was her issues and what was she thinking during this time in her life?

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    April 22, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    While we are examining families and trying to associate this behavior with any trend... in light of common attacks on the family using cases like this to build strawmen or disconnected claims...

    I would offer the following observation:

    Let's say that the majority of Utah members of the LDS Church started smoking. The truthfulness of the LDS Church doesn't change of course. But the real interesting fact is that it also says nothing about the integrity of the Word of Wisdom, only people's willingness to adhere to it. If you want to know whether the "LDS life" is healthy, looking at imperfect examples defeats the purpose.

    My point is simple:
    If you want to challenge our claims in support of families... look at families sealed in the temple and who keep the commandments. There is no such thing as a serial killer who keeps the commandments. Why? Because the two are exclusionary. That isn't evidence against, but in support of the family.

    With a loving father and mother, good things are possible. Without both genders we wouldn't exist.

    Most of all- with loving parents, these things don't happen. Duh?

    April 22, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    @Mr Bean- except they aren't legal.
    And similar to Quaker's comment, its a good case for upping the ante on Utah's Safe Harbour laws and stopping the ridiculous fight against same sex parenting.

    BTW, how could she not be mentally ill?

  • Living Above the Lighthouse Spanish Fork, UT
    April 22, 2014 7:16 a.m.

    @iron&clay: There's an easy answer to that - they still can paternity/maternity-test the remains if the DNA is good enough to be tested - and it might be.

  • hockeymom Highland, UT
    April 22, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    @Mr. Bean

    I detect the sarcasm in your comment and I agree. We should be just as outraged about abortion (in any stage or state of birth) as we are about this case. I see it as exactly the same. Life was terminated either way. Why, why is abortion OK and this is not?

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 22, 2014 6:45 a.m.

    Thank you, Meme1.

    I'm glad they're stopping to really make sure they understand what they can about what's going on, rather than jumping the gun based on what's immediately apparent.

  • iron&clay RIVERTON, UT
    April 21, 2014 10:50 p.m.

    No charges have been filed.

    Is it possible that the 'mom' is really just an accomplice to aborting babies of others and is protecting the identities of the real moms?

  • Mr. Bean Phoenix, AZ
    April 21, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    The defense is fairly simple... just claim they were all self-administered, completely legal partial birth abortions.

  • sanpaco Sandy, UT
    April 21, 2014 8:12 p.m.

    Seriously was it 6 or 7? I keep seeing conflicting numbers.

  • WilliamLee Ogden, UT
    April 21, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    Yorkshire, I agree with your observation as well as the writers. I studied and hold a degree in criminal justice, with a bunch of psychology courses in there as well. Personally, I don't think this woman is operating on all 8 cylinders. If that is the case, and she is mentally unstable, they can confine her, but the death penalty is taken off the table. Youth and those who are mentally unstable can not be given the death penalty by order of the Supreme Court. I'm surprised the smell alone wasn't detected sooner. I'm not a psychologist, however from seeing her mug shot and this picture, she doesn't look to be all there. Something is just not right.

  • Yorkshire City, Ut
    April 21, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    Article-" her face appeared just as confused as in her booking photo."

    The writer of the article noticed the same thing I did from the photos that have been release. From the pictures alone, there is clearly something going on here that is not normal and in control.