John Florez: Our economy is a matter of health

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  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 19, 2014 4:59 p.m.

    How sad that I even hear that health care is a right, that it is something that can't even be questioned, as if the jump from health care to something else for free as a right would never happen. Where does it end with the 50 year old war on poverty crowd! only in Socialist or Communist thinking can you find such wanton disregard of history and facts! And when they finally get to their classless state and see the desolation that ensues, they will not retreat because to them, instead of socialist or communist philosophy, it is that they just didn't have the right people in power. if it were them that was in power, we would see how wonderful it all could be, which is the most bizarre claim of all, something that only Satan himself would claim. Socialist and Communist thought never was about making it better, that was just the ruse, it was about grabbing all the power possible and using it to destroy lives!, Those who reject choice need to recognize he for whom they work, certainly not God!

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 19, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    Some people refuse to read the Constitution. They think that repeating the same lies over and over make them true. Health care is NOT a right. It's not an enumerated duty of Congress listed in the Constitution; therefore, the Federal Government cannot mandate it without breaking the Supreme Law of the Land. (Remember that the Supreme Court would NOT rule on the Constitutionality of ObamaCare. They only told us that it was a tax and that Congress had the right to tax. They refused to rule on whether the ObamaCare TAX was legal until it was fully implemented, something that Obama refuses to do.)

    No worker has the RIGHT to receive more than he is worth. If he's paid less than he's worth, other employers will be more than happy to pay him more. If he's paid more than he's worth, he's lucky to have a job.

    All duties not delegated to the Federal Government are reserved to the States or to the People. Feeding yourself if YOUR duty. Paying for your health care is YOUR duty.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    April 19, 2014 2:46 p.m.

    How about this one for all you cooperative minded people. My wife stays at home at a price. How about the state and all those cooperative minded people sending me a check for $40 grand every year to recognize the wealth that my children will be creating for this country because my children are growing up understanding the principles of hard work, virtuous living, and family life? Any takers for that idea? I doubt it because every one just wants to dwell on those who demand health care as a right so they can sit home and complain about all those selfish people that actually believe in family, country, and God! Here is another thought; Individualism and tolerance is being compared to obedience and cooperation. Obedience (to God's laws of thrift, virtue, and hard work) and cooperation (honesty, etc.) is the only way government sponsored charity can work, which is oxymoron, because government doesn't care about honesty and thrift and virtue, all prerequisites for success in any enterprise! Instead, government promotes individualism, no matter how those consequences impact society, and promotes tolerance of any lifestyle as a right! How foolish can people be!

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    Re: Mike Richards "If a worker cannot feed himself, maybe he shouldn't have a job."

    And, following the same logic, if the state of Utah blocks people from getting to the ACA (as it is doing) and the employee gets sick, maybe he should die.

    I am a socialist because the race will not survive unless cooperation and compassion replaces competition and self-interest.

    In the system you defend, Mike, we have a situation where the bottom 75% of the population owns but 10% of the wealth, and the top 10% own 75% of the wealth. This has happened because the system is so gamed. Your so-called free country can't survive this extreme imbalance. Most of us are not free. We are hemmed in by economic circumstances from which we cannot escape individually.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2014 10:56 a.m.

    Re: Mikhail "The free market encourages companies to look after the best interests of its employees..."

    There's a lot which needs to be said about this, like the idea of a "free" market - but there's not enough room.

    But to your statement, the market does NOT encourage companies to look after the best interests of employees. No, the market encourages the lowest possible wages and worst possible working conditions for employees. That's why American capital has exported jobs to Southeast Asia where wages are dirt cheap and working conditions are abominable.

    Mikhail, drop the idealized theory and look at reality!

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    April 19, 2014 10:29 a.m.

    What a silly, irrelevant article. America has provided the most opportunities for all people compared to any other country on the earth! That is why people are tying to sneak in here illegally and why nobody is trying to sneak into Cuba, N, Korea or Russia. The opportunities offered here must be grasped by individuals by hard work, staying sober and getting an education. But sadly, some Americas will do none of that so they reap what they sow and whine about the "unfairness" of America. Sadly, even our President is among the latter group in his beliefs.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 19, 2014 10:08 a.m.

    Mike Richards,

    Health care is a right. Having a hotel room isn't.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 19, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    Using Mr. Florez's argument, workers should be entitled to free hotel rooms, because a rested employee is a productive employee. Workers should be entitled to limousine service, because the stress of driving interferes with work.

    If a worker cannot feed himself, maybe he shouldn't have a job. Instead of transferring responsibility and fixing blame, maybe we should first understand the Constitution. All duties not enumerated in the Constitution are delegated to the State or to the people. Feeding yourself is a personal responsibility, just as is going to the doctor is a personal responsibility. We live in a free Country where people have personal responsibility to provide for themselves and for their families. It is not the job of an employer to feed his workers. It is not the duty of government to "insure" Americans. It is the duty of the person - unless you throw out the Constitution.

  • Mikhail ALPINE, UT
    April 19, 2014 7:12 a.m.

    While using the example of a private company acknowledging the need to look after the health of its employees, Mr. Florez implies that the government should be doing the same.

    The free market encourages companies to look after the best interests of its employees and customers, so as to promote economic growth. Government does not have the same motivations. Rather, those in government are motivated to maintain power and authority, over the promotion of the interests and needs of the general population.

    Promotion of private solutions will always be more meaningful than advocacy that the government take care of or legislate laws to force the private sector to meet perceived needs.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2014 12:10 a.m.

    "We take health for granted, until we lose it. Then there is nothing more important. We all too often talk about personal responsibility and forget the moral responsibility we have as a people living in a civil society — to “promote the general welfare.”

    My wife taught for a time in a low income elementary school in Davis County. Many of the kids were from families lacking health insurance. She recalls a girl who was distracted beyond measure because her mother was dying of cancer, with their family not having health insurance. It broke my wife's heart.

    How can this state which pretends to be Christian create roadblocks to health coverage with refusal to participate in the ACA? It's an outrage. Any deaths or severe health outcomes resulting will be laid at the feet of legislators responsible so help me.