Dramatic transformation over past century demonstrates progress on voting rights

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 23, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    To "anotherview" so then you agree that voter fraud does exist, and that voter ID laws are not a problem for the poor.

  • anotherview SLO, CA
    April 22, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    "The fact is that the Voter ID laws allow for more than just a driver's license to be used as ID"

    Laws vary from state to state.

    The articles you cited don't reveal prosecution of voter impersonation. Ohio found very few, if any, prosecutable cases of voter fraud. Ohio Sec of State Husted says voter fraud is rare.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 22, 2014 8:48 a.m.

    To "Spangs" lets see what we can find on the internet about voter fraud:

    "Non-Existent Problem or Election-Threatening Epidemic?" ABC News. Apparently it does exist, and some people have been caught.

    "Study finds 765 cases of NC voter fraud in 2012 election" Daily Tarheel. Apparently in 2012 NC found 765 cases of voter fraud.

    From the Ohio state government web site "Secretary of State Husted Releases
    Post-2012 General Election Voter Fraud Report". Apparently they prosecuted some people for voter fraud, and that doesn't include the people who got away with fraud.

    From the NY Times we read "Indiana Secretary of State Guilty of Voter Fraud".

    Apparently it is more widespread than you want to admit.

  • ronnie sandy, utah
    April 21, 2014 8:08 p.m.


    "republicans want to stop this." So tell me about the voter fraud you mention, where does it really exist? Are they also preventing voter fraud by cutting back on early voting, cutting back on non-working hours voting, cutting back on voting machines thus creating long lines in only certain areas. Have republicans really lost their soul?

  • Spangs Salt Lake City, UT
    April 21, 2014 4:28 p.m.

    When 34 states enact a law to curb voter fraud that doesn't exist, well something else is compelling those legislatures to enact these laws. It is clear why it is done. Republicans only half-heartedly argue the point just to introduce a sliver of plausible deniability. It shouldn't be something democrats are too disparaged about. These laws only speak to the great lengths that republicans will do to remain competitive. Time will see us through this agonal breath of libertarian radicalism.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    April 21, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    Re: "I smell a rat."

    As well you should. Liberals are investing inordinate sums of political capital in a cause that can only unlawfully benefit them, hurting the Nation and everyone else.

    Rabid, but phony advocacy on behalf of that 1/100 of 1% of American voters that don't have ready access to some acceptable form of identification can have only one possible purpose -- enabling the cheaters that will illegally vote early and often for their cynical liberal overlords and paymasters.

    It's beyond sad that liberals now embrace cheating as an acceptable, as their primary electioneering tactic.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 21, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    Maybe both the Democratic and Republican party can follow the example of Mexico(!) and support the issuance of Voter ID cards. Voting rates in Mexico are rising, which is something the US should try to emulate, it would seem...at least that would be the superficial statement.

    Of course, in the US you have conspiracy theorists who would view Voter ID Cards as a kind of hit list from anti-gun, fascist / socialist / communist government bureaucrats, or if you prefer, from an African American standpoint, another attempt at the Tuskeegee experiments. (Bonus question - which of those two fantasies is more founded in reality?)

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 21, 2014 3:54 p.m.

    Hey Mike Richards -

    Flying on an airplane, entering the White House, watching Congress, and giving blood are NOT civil rights.

    Voting is a civil right.

    See the difference?

    Or do you think the Founders required Photo ID's for citizens to vote?

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 21, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    Oh, I see. You have to pay to fly. How much do you have to pay to enter the White House? Do they let the poor, the humble, the meek enter, or is that "visit" reserved for snobs who look down on people who don't have the proper I.D. to enter?


    and yet, here you are cheering a SCOTUS ruling that says money is Free Speech?!

    Oh, that's a good one.

    You need to be consistant.
    It's shows integrity.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 21, 2014 2:55 p.m.


    Oh, I see. You have to pay to fly. How much do you have to pay to enter the White House? Do they let the poor, the humble, the meek enter, or is that "visit" reserved for snobs who look down on people who don't have the proper I.D. to enter?

    How much does it cost to watch Congress, or is that "privilege" reserved for the "rich guy"?

    How about getting a library card? It's been years since I got my card, but I had to prove that I lived at the address that I gave. They accepted my driver's license as proof.

    Even at the "pearly gates" we'll need to be escorted by someone who will vouch for us. Christ Himself will be our sponsor.

    There are rules and regulations everywhere. Just because someone thinks he can win an election by fraud doesn't mean that the good citizens of the United States have to agree with him. Read the newspaper. How many "swing" counties voted a straight ticket? How many "swing" counties had more than 100% of eligible voters vote?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 21, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    Roland Roland Roland,

    Categorizing republicans as uneducated is completely false. How rude!!

    It is you who needs to be educated. All you need for a state college ID is a pulse and paid up tuition. You have to show multiple forms of official state ID to get a concealed carry permit.

    Another lie - Early voting and showing ID are not in any way exclusive. Utah encourages early voting, and vote by mail, and requires showing ID.

    It is live people posing as dead people, non-citizens posing as citizens, and bus loads of people taken out of their state to sway the vote in swing states that are the problem. These people vote almost exclusively democrat.

    Yes republicans want to stop this. Every real American should want to stop this.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 21, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    To "silas brill" you should get your vision check if you see this as an issue of Republicans comitting fraud.

    The fact is that the Voter ID laws allow for more than just a driver's license to be used as ID. In order for those same people to get their Obamacare insurance, a person has to provide proof of identification.

    To get welfare, buy alcohol, tobacco, and some cold medications require proof of ID.

    The poor have their forms of ID that are used all the time. The big question you should be asking is why is it that Democrats want ID for everything but voting.

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 21, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Many states recognize a concealed carry permit as a valid form of ID but not a state issued university idea. Why would this be? Simple holders of concealed carry permits are likely republicans college students are likely democrats.

    States requiring ID are also doing all they can to restrict early voting. Why? More democrats vote early, republicans are more likely to only vote on election day.

    If you look at pooling places where there are lines lasting for hours you find that they are likely to heavily democratic precincts in republican states, obviously to discourage democrats from voting. Florida even passed a law stating that people waiting in line to vote are not allowed to used public restrooms, no matter how long the wait. Of course, in heavily republican precincts you find plenty of machines, plenty of poll workers and no long lines.

    Are these all coincidences? Or have the republicans realized that they can only win if they can stop democrats from voting?

  • slcdenizen t-ville, UT
    April 21, 2014 11:32 a.m.

    @Mike Richards

    You can't board a flight without paying a fee, or gaining a drivers license, or drive a car. Why shouldn't we likewise require a fee for voting? In order to graduate from school, you must prove to be literate, why not make reading a requirement at the polls? See, unchecked logic is both satifying and simple. No need to take into account possible negative ramifications or the unpredictability of human behavior. I guess being an American conservative is easy, there's no need for critical thought or analysis because everything can be put in simplistic terms and anyone can be an expert!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 21, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    No sd I am saying parroting left wing talking points against voter id laws is bogus considering photo id is required to be had by everyone due to the ACA. And where do you propose I have discounted healthcare because liberals require photo id. My point is how does the liberal left argue against the requirement to show photo id for voting but require it for healthcare.

    It is the argument of liberals to say photo id required for voting is a hardship on the poor or racial and yet they require photo id for health care. It is this policy that shows the liberals don't care about the poor obtaining healthcare not me.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    April 21, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    You can't fly on an airplane without photo I.D.

    You can't enter the White House without photo I.D.

    You can't watch a session of Congress from the gallery without photo I.D.

    You can't give blood without photo I.D.

    When the President changes the rules to allow anyone fly on an airplane or to enter the White House, or to watch a session of Congress without requiring photo I.D., then we'll know that he's serious. Until then, it's just more of do what I say, not what I do.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    April 21, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    So JSF you're arguing against identification requirements? Or you don't care if people vote or obtain healthcare?

    My guess is you don't really care as long as republicans win elections they would otherwise lose.

    The republican party chooses to represent a very small portion of the population. That's not our fault. Adapt or lose.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 21, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    Then the 2011 Associated Press analysis also shows that the federal proposed healthcare identification law would hit black precincts in South Carolina the hardest, keeping thousands from obtaining health care. Arguments against voter id laws are moot, since the passing of ACA.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    April 21, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    We know republicans are trying to suppress democrat voters because they slip and say it:

    Pennsylvania House Majority Leader Mike Turzai told a gathering of Republicans that their voter identification law would “allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania.”

    After the election, former Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer told The Palm Beach Post that the explicit goal of the state’s voter-ID law was Democratic suppression.

    In 2011 an Associated Press analysis found that South Carolina’s proposed voter-identification law would hit black precincts the hardest, keeping thousands from casting nonprovisional ballots.

    That it's not always working and black voters are still turning out is not a defense DN. Shame.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 21, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    I’m amazed at arguments against voter ID. We hear about the poor who may not have id. However, as our recent experience in getting healthcare insurance, a requirement put upon us by the liberal left, the same who foster reasons for not having voter ID, requires valid photo ID to obtain health insurance.

    Are these same people saying the poor are not entitled to health care because they have no photo id. Oh wait they make sure these same people have photo ID for health care. What, they have photo ID, then how are voter id laws disenfranchising any group of people. Smell the rat, liberals profess a problem that does not exist to create an environment that will foster voter fraud. Want to go to a national democrat event, photo id (voter id) required.

    Silas Brill says "the voter ID effort is the shadiest attempt to inconvenience these people." Obamacare is the shadiest attempt to inconvenience these people because it requires every single person in the United States registering for health insurance (required for all persons) to have photo id. The same photo id is required to get healthcare when getting care at a clinic or hospital.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 21, 2014 8:29 a.m.

    Hey Silas Brll -

    "I smell a rat."

    No, you're smelling Republican dogma.

  • ordinaryfolks seattle, WA
    April 21, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    If we believe in our republican (not small "r") form of democracy, then we should do everything we can do get people to vote.

    If we do not believe in democracy, then we should throw up roadblocks to prevent people from voting. Look at other countries who have high rates of voting, and see what makes sense to this country. One minor change might be to acknowledge that it is silly to vote on a work day. There are many others.

    However, it seems to me that the policy of the Republican party is to make it difficult for the average working person to vote. Which must lead us to suppose that Republican believe that the voting franchise is to be reserved for a special rights minority in this country, namely older and relatively well off white folks.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    April 21, 2014 7:52 a.m.

    It's baffling to me how the D-News thinks this is a big enough issue to justify an editorial, when voter participation rates here in Utah are anemic, at best.

    Instead of just being a media outlet for right wing talk radio, maybe the D-News should investigate and report on why the US is no longer considered a democratic nation, but has been categorized as an Oligarchy. This seems to be kind of a big deal, at least to those who study political systems. What is an Oligarchy? Does the definition fit?

    Voter fraud? How prevalent is this, really?

    Maybe instead it would be informative to report on how we're evolving perilously closer toward legalized quid-pro-quo corruption.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 21, 2014 7:50 a.m.

    In your opinion, whatever the extreme right wants is good. Here are a couple more ideas. One, your relentless, daily shots at the President are getting old. Two, you have absolutely no idea of what is going on in the rest of country and the history of civil rights. The problems are often subtle, sometimes not, but judging it from here is a little like trying to determine if there is life on another planet. You just don't get it. So, please, stop parroting the Republican line. It is apparent from a whole number of issues that they don't much care for the middle class, and they sure as heck don't believe in inclusiveness, especially when it comes to voting.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 21, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    Silas, I bet you have never been at a poll in a swing state, near the state line. That is why you haven't seen any voter fraud. It doesn't occur in Heber.

    The idea that voter ID is discriminatory is just the democrats playing the race card, yet again.

    The only ones that picture ID requirements will prevent from voting are those who are voting in behalf of dead people, or other people who are not them, or people who are not eligible voters due to lack of residence in the voting precinct. I don't know what color those people will be, and I don't care, and neither do republicans in general.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    April 21, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Black=Democrat, that's the issue.

    "But as The Wall Street Journal recently opined, “if the states are secretly trying to suppress minority turnout, they're doing a lousy job.”. That shows what..nothing. Most predict with effort these attempts at Democratic/black vote suppression won't be successful either. It doesn't mean the Republicans aren't trying.

  • slcdenizen t-ville, UT
    April 21, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Why is voter fraud suddenly an issue for the right? Have independent studies produced alarming data about an increase in fraud? Nope. This article sheds some light on it:

    "As Census data show, the 2012 election was the first in which black voters cast ballots at a higher rate (66.2 percent of eligible voters) than white voters (64.1 percent)."

    If Republicans consistently won the black vote, they would be eagerly trying to pass laws enabling easier methods of voting, including online options. Instead, they are devising hurdles which adversely affect the constituencies that vote Democrat, like voter ID laws or restricting voting on certain days. The Republican party and modern conservative ideology is morally and intellectualy bankrupt and the sooner we realize it, the sooner we can begin shaping more competitive parties and elections.

  • silas brill Heber, UT
    April 21, 2014 4:06 a.m.

    I don't believe the voter ID laws are necessarily targeting blacks, per se. I think they are targeting people who most likely vote for Democrats. Theses may be poor folks who don't drive, or elderly or urban people who rely exclusively on public transportation and therefore don't have a drivers license.

    Or maybe they are targeting blacks. Regardless, the voter ID effort is the shadiest attempt to inconvenience these people. My reasoning for this is that it is entirely a Republican attempt to prevent voter fraud, something that is virtually non-existent.

    I smell a rat.

    The Republicans beat their chests professing their superior adherence and sincere fealty to the Constitution. What they don't get is that Constitutional rights - such as the Constitutional right to vote - are not conditional on having a photo ID. I wonder what the Founders would say about that.

    The only fraud I see is Republican.