Eliminating the root cause of bullying

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  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 22, 2014 9:55 a.m.

    To "Open Minded Mormon" you realize that you can't have government using thier force to make you be good at the same time you believe in Agency. Those are two opposing ideas.

    Here is the funny part about your desire to have government regulate economic equality. It doesn't work. The more power you give government to regulate, the more power you give the Gadiantons.

    I don't want to control a person's will to choose, I want people to choose to help or not help those of lower economic standings.

    If you believe in Agency, then why do you always look for government to be the solution to society's problems? Why do you want to force people to be good?

    According to the words of the Prophets, your views are not consistant with the gospel. No opinion, just fact.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 21, 2014 9:39 a.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    You and your ilk want government to do the impossible. You can't force people to be good, they have to decide to be good on their own as individuals.

    8:22 a.m. April 21, 2014


    I want to see the Government regulate economic equality.
    It is your "ilk" that is legislating morality.

    Mine is consistant with Free Agency and the Gospel because it is only about controling money,
    Yours is about controling a person's free will to choose anything EXCEPT their money.

    IMHO, I am consistant with the Gospel,
    and you are not.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 21, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" and how do you legislate away poverty? Right now we havea bout 50 years of the government legislating poverty away, yet poverty rates remain about the same.

    How do you legislate that familes don't break down?

    You and your ilk want government to do the impossible. You can't force people to be good, they have to decide to be good on their own as individuals.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    April 19, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    @2 bits
    I assume a software designer dresses business casual. Or writes code in their underwear in the basement. Right?

  • GloriaR New York, NY
    April 19, 2014 3:51 a.m.

    To try to help combat bullying, songs can teach children about kindness and tolerance. The song “Be a Buddy, not a Bully” can be heard on YouTube

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 18, 2014 9:36 p.m.

    In private schools, where kids wear uniforms, there is bullying. There has been for beyond my lifetime. It isn't the clothes.

    Kids have to be taught to be not only kind, but compassionate. They don't come with compassion. It must be taught.

    Schools have very little ability to address misbehavior of students, especially if the misbehaving student has an IEP. The schools really aren't allowed to require minimally appropriate behavior in order to attend. They are expected to babysit kids for a certain number of hours a day regardless of their behavior, so parents can work, or do what they choose, and kids rarely get sent home for misbehavior. If they do get sent home, the parents blame the school/teacher, and often threaten to sue.

    Right now the culture says the school is responsible for the behavior. The misbehaving kid needs to be the one held accountable, and his/her parents with him/her. As long as the kid can cut-up to make the teacher and the victim pay the price, they will continue to misbehave. That kind of power is very enticing.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2014 5:08 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    If you are worried about bullying,
    and trying to get to the kernel of the problem --
    and the break-down of the family --
    perhaps we should be addressing the #1 reason homes are broken -- POVERTY.

    I'd start by increasing a Father's earing potential to reflect the 1950's -1970's,
    so a woman can stay at home and not put the family into poverty for starters...

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 18, 2014 4:08 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" some learn to bully at home. Some kids are just a jerk.

    Also, as I pointed out, this is a problem with the downfall of society. How do your legislate that society as a whole begin to care more about teaching their children and correcting their behavior?

    Tell us how do you legislate against somebody being a jerk?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2014 3:33 p.m.

    Really... I have to wear the right clothes to do the job?

    What's the software developer's uniform... I'm probably out of uniform today... I better go home early.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    As with most human traits, the mentality that leads to bullying begins at home. The few bullies in my school knew nothing about my grades, my parents income and I was not a fashion statement. School uniforms do not cure the problem in English public schools. We should teach normative behavior that is expected in a civil society thus educating the next generation of parents. But, school pressures and rude people cannot be legislated out of existence.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2014 2:38 p.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT

    Red -- Watch the Christmas Story, you got it all twisted [surprised? not really]

    Ralphie calls out the 1st name that pops inot his head -- Schwartz!

    Besides, Schwartz's Mom BEAT him to a pulp for no reason, it was child abuse.

    Are you advocating child abuse?

    BTW -- Bullying is something kids learn,
    usually from being abused at home.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    April 18, 2014 2:11 p.m.

    We all put a uniform on to do our daily jobs. Business men wear suits, labors wear boots, doctors wear white jackets. Students should wear a uniform. You are going to school to learn, put on your "work" clothes, and play part the you are dressed for.
    The reality is we can't help anyone out at home or make everyone learn at school, we can however require kids to look like they want to be there by wearing the school uniform. Who knows it might even work.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 18, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    Bla bla bla, liberals blame everything on conservatives.

    Maybe the cause of bullying is something as simple as some people are just jerks. I have known families that are great and would do anything for you, except that one child that is a nightmare. The family is loving and kind, but for some reason they have one child that is just a jerk.

    How do you eliminate a jerk from the school system or any system where bullies are allowed to exist?

    It is funny that people blame corporations and wealthy people, when the fact is that they have nothing to do with it. Several liberal have pointed out that long ago when schools were controlled more locally there were bullies. The bullies existed then and they exist now. The only difference is that now there are new ways to be cruel.

    Any rise is bullying is more of a symptom of society breaking down. Parents no longer care what their kids do. I used to be that most parents care and would do something about a bully.

    Watch the movie A Christmas Story. When Ralphie's mom calls Farkus' mom about the cussing, you hear Farkus getting punished.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    April 18, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    As a lifelong nerd (with a bit of dork thrown in), I know all about bullies. There were big, mean guys 50 years ago who picked on me without mercy. Not sure what they had to do with the federal gov't, though. Seems a stretch.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2014 1:34 p.m.

    I like that we're trying to find some deep psychological cause of bullying.

    Bullying is caused by... bullies.

    If they didn't think they could get away with it, and they didn't enjoy it, they wouldn't do it.

    No school or fear of failure made them do it. Quit making excuses for it. We should not tolerate it or try to explain it into being OK.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2014 11:14 a.m.

    Leave it to the Anti-Government types to make every article
    - even this one about school bullies -
    into their Anti-Government, Anti-Obama soap-box.

    Can we just call you Skip, as in Skip in the Record.
    Pete and Repeat?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    I guess you see yourself as a knight in shining armor fighting the "modern-day Gadiantons who have morphed Corprations into "Citizens"... It kinda seems like you're fighting windmills to me.

    Corporations are NOT more dangerous to Americans than Terrorists...


    Anybody can fill in your "Today's Patriots are standing up to....fill-in-the-blank", and fill it in with their own cause. But in reality... YOU are no more patriotic than anybody else. And neither are the Tea Party people who call themselves "patriots".

    We're ALL just as patriotic... there... how's that...

    Leftist rhetoric doesn't give you the banner of "Patriotism" and neither does the rhetoric on the Right.


    Your biggest fear may be "modern-day Gadiantons who have morphed Corprations into "Citizens"... but I seriously think there are bigger things out there in the world today...

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    April 18, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    IMO the greatest teachers of bullying are in the media, listen to the night time comedians as they pick on individuals, the butt of their jokes. Children see and emulate the verbal and physical attacks to get the laughs of other students.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    April 18, 2014 10:26 a.m.

    @Thid Barker
    Victor, ID

    Our founding fathers rejected and disobeyed King George's tax laws and today we call them patriots! We need more patriots in America today.

    9:10 a.m. April 18, 2014


    You realize that the Founding Fathers were not just protesting "taxes", don't you?

    1. They were fighting a Social-Economic Caste system of Haves vs. the Have-Nots.
    2. Being lucky enough to be born into Nobilty was your only way out.
    3. They were being heavily taxed to pay for foreign wars they had nothing to do with.
    4. To add insult to injury,
    As "colonists", they tired of being thrown even further under the bus by Government and Businesses as 2nd class citizens, and not REAL Britons.

    It wasn't a revolution about Taxes,
    it was a revolution based on ALL Citizens being made equal under the law,
    and a Government of the people, and for the people.

    My biggest fear is not Socialism, or Communism, Russsians or Terroris...

    It's modern-day Gadiantons who have morphed Corprations into "Citizens",
    and have unpresidented access to our Politicains -- via open bribery.

    Today's Patriots are standing up to Corporate Gaddianton Robbers and their Secret Combinations.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 18, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    If Government agencies just enforce the law.. and NEVER exceed their charter and delve in some bullying... why will the head of the IRS not answer any questions from Congress, or fear she will incriminating herself???

    Why are so many people up in arms about they bullying the BLM is doing lately?

    These aren't people who like law breakers. They are Americans just like you and me, and they feel bullied by the BLM. The IRS. The NSA. The EPA...


    I don't think they are saying that these agencies are ALWAYS involved in bullying. But that they SOMETIMES get carried away in their power and engage in bullying citizens (some who did nothing wrong).

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    April 18, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    Hutterite, Too selfish to pay my taxes? I am not one of the 47% who don't so you are wrong. If the government can bully without consequences why worry about bullying in schools? Just maybe its all relative!

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 18, 2014 9:28 a.m.

    This isn't about government bullying or whether or not you're too selfish to want to pay taxes to support your nation and societal responsibilities. It's about bullying in schools which, as someone else mentioned, is something of a 'lord of the flies' thing. I knew they made us read that in school for some reason. Anyway, kids are among the meanest, cruelest creatures there are. They'll establish their own pecking order, and it will be done with violence. Maybe it's revenge in advance, the dumb but strong kids attacking the nerds while somehow knowing the nerds will achieve success in the future versus their future in fast food and construction labour.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    April 18, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    Hey GaryO. Every dictator in the history of the planet has used the same excuse you just gave for government bullying. Our founding fathers rejected and disobeyed King George's tax laws and today we call them patriots! We need more patriots in America today.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 18, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    GaryO. Enforce the laws? Which laws? How about Jim Crow laws in the '50's and 60's? Just because there is a "law" that doesn't mean it is just or that it should be enforced, like our immigration laws for example. Thanks for the laugh!

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 18, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    School Uniforms and Standardized grooming standards
    would go a long way to solve this too.

    When we are treated as equals,
    We treat others as equals.

    [But then again, that's what makes me a Liberal].

  • Opinionated Sandy, UT
    April 18, 2014 8:38 a.m.

    I believe kids bully others in an attempt to boost a self-esteem that is lacking. I believe the best place to stop bullying is in the home, where loving parents work with children to increase their self-esteem so they do not feel as much need to do it themselves. Most people tell the world how great they are because they get tired of waiting for the world to tell them.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    April 18, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    In the 1960's, I was the "nerd", and was ruthlessly bullied by the "jocks".

    It's a micro-cosom of our Capitalist, dog eat dog, King of the Mountain -- Social Economic system.

    It doesn't matter who is right or wrong, smartest or brightest, or best person or product -- but the biggest "BULLY" on the block who gets the gold.

    And the will take your lunch money by hook or by crook.

    It's learned in a world of Me, Myself, and I.

    Don't believe me,
    try driving down I-15 and obeying the laws.

    It's all about MEeeeeee!

  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    April 18, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    There is enforcing the law and there is governmental bullying. The heavy-handed methods sometimes used is an ever present problem that was recognized by the founders of this country. But, another cause is the disrespect some people have for others. Impolite public discourse fosters bullying. There is a lot of that going around.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 18, 2014 7:44 a.m.

    Hey Mountanman -

    "The IRS, the EPA, the DOJ, the BLM, the HHS and other agencies bully its citizens everyday!"

    Really feeling picked on huh?

    Government agencies enforce the law.

    And guess what Mountanman . . . Even Utahns are NOT above the law.

    Get used to it.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    April 18, 2014 7:41 a.m.

    "Why did bullying increase when the federal government and wealthy business executives started to run our schools?"

    Did the author pull this observation out of the air, or does she have some basis in fact for making such an apparently absurd statement.

    Bullying has been around forever.

    Kids often set up a Lord-of-the-flies pecking order. It's primitive and brutal.

    The kind of bullying Utahns should be most concerned about is the kind based on religion . . . Where kids belonging to the dominant religion feel free to pick on children whose parents don't belong to that religion.

    Insisting that little darlings younger than eight cannot be held accountable only adds to the bullying problem in Utah.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 18, 2014 7:18 a.m.

    The IRS, the EPA, the DOJ, the BLM, the HHS and other agencies bully its citizens everyday!