Gov. Herbert still optimistic about Medicaid expansion plan

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  • jrgl CEDAR CITY, UT
    April 17, 2014 4:02 p.m.

    @ Bob Loblaw:
    If the people you are say can get Medicaid at 133% of poverty level are real, they probably live in our neighboring states like California, Nevada, Arizona or Colorado which have accepted Medicaid expansion. Those applicants you talk of are probably redirected to send in a Medicaid application to the state which will be denied because Utah has not expanded Medicaid. You probably think anyone can just go to the emergency room and get all the medical care they need too. Sure, people get stabilized at the ER but it won't treat ongoing chronic conditions.

  • jrgl CEDAR CITY, UT
    April 17, 2014 3:52 p.m.

    @ Bob Loblaw, you are absolutely false about the claim that "Medicaid is and has been available to anyone and everyone who makes less than 133% of FPL (federal poverty level)and have an immediate medical need. Therefore, no one in Utah is suffering or dying due to Utah not expanding Medicaid." Why would the state consider the governors plan if what you are saying is true (which it's not). A simple search on the Utah Medicaid website will tell you that Medicaid is not covering everyone up to 133% FPL. You have to be poor and have a child, poor and pregnant, poor and 100% disabled or over 65 to qualify for Medicaid in UT at 100% FPL. Children 0-5 or pregnant women would be the only groups that are covered to 133% FPL.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 17, 2014 11:55 a.m.

    To "Paul Timothy Gibbs" if the goal is to protect human lives rather than give government more power, why not set up Medicare/Medicaid clinics that are funded directly by the government? They would only see the people that rely on those government policies and would be able cut office costs because they would not need anybody to do billing. They would need the Doctor, a few nurses and PAs, and a receptionist to set appointments.

    That is what the government could do if the intent was to provide care for the poor and needy. However, since they have set up an insurance program it is obvious that it is more about power and control than actual help.

  • dalefarr South Jordan, Utah
    April 17, 2014 11:40 a.m.

    Expanding Medicaid provides money (less about 2.5% for administrative costs)directly to medical care for the poor. Herbert's plan provides less money to the needy but more money to the insurance companies. I'd rather have the dollars going for medical care instead of being pocketed by insurance companies. I don't understand why Utah voters put up with this nonsense.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 17, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    @ Bob Loblaw
    Thanks for the informative post and objective insight. Insights like yours seemed to get drowned out by all the subjective, partisan rancor.

  • Ralph West Jordan Taylorsville, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    Re: Utah_1
    Like it or not the ACA is law and is never " going to be torn down as a failure in the next couple of years". There will be changes made to the existing program, but it is here to stay! Feel free to step away from the Faux News rhetoric. As for Herbert, Lockhart and the majority of the Legislature, I don't know how they sleep at night. Aid and help is available,, bought and paid by we the citizens. 57,000 and probably many more could be getting treatment, and how many lives might be saved by the stroke of a pen. Shame on Utah's politicians!

  • DN Subscriber Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    Our Governor needs to be wary, and resolute to NOT accept any deal that is not a good deal for Utah and Utahns.

    First, trust NOTHING that Obama says, and believe only half of what his cronies might put in writing. As seen with the Obamacare law itself, he will arbitrarily change the terms to suit his whims, despite any legal authority to do so.

    Second, remember that the "free federal money" up front to lure states into expanding Medicaid is merely the cheese in the trap. The money is already scheduled to expire is a very short time,leaving the states stuck with the full costs, forever.

    Third, remember that Medicaid is financially unsustainable, along with Medicare and Social Security and Obama has doubled out total national debt from that accumulated during ALL previous administrations. That will cause extremely dire financial calamities in the near future when we can no longer pay our bills. States need to remain solvent and to be free from any "entitlement" expenses, which are the main drivers of the federal debt.

    The socialists are running out of other people's money to spend.

  • Bob Loblaw Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    It's amazing how opinionated people can be when they really don't know anything. I am an independent insurance agent and have met with over 600 people in open enrollment and I have helped over 400 of them get health insurance through FYI, Medicaid is and has been already available to anyone and everyone who makes less than 133% of FPL and have an immediate medical need. Therefore, no one in Utah is suffering or dying due to Utah not expanding Medicaid. They can already get it if they're sick. The only thing expanding Medicaid will do is allow those same people to go to the doctor for check ups while they're healthy.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    If you look at the fiscal notes for the bills from this last session, you will see that taxpayers would pay between $250 Million to $750 Million, a year, much of it from Federal money, as subsidized by Federal Debt.

    If the US Supreme Court has stated that Utah does not have to expand Medicaid under "ObamaCare" why should we? If ObamaCare is going to be torn down as a failure in the next couple of years, why should Utah create more problems and make it worse?

    The Federal Government, in the attempt to make sure everyone can have medical insurance has made it worse. What we should do re: Medicaid expansion is what we do in other areas where people need help.

    We should provide short term aid and work to provide a long term solution. Prove caps on time and money. Do not take away individual responsibility. This isn't Medicare, something that everyone retiring has to deal with. This is Medicaid, something that was designed for those that can't afford other options. ObamaCare trying to make more people fall into that category isn't the answer.

    Don't Expand Medicaid in Utah.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 17, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    Obamacare sucess continues to explode and conservative leaders are struggling how to save face and respond to their constitutents. Good luck Govenor working with Utah's elected officals. They'll cut off their nose to spite their face.

  • Paul Timothy Gibbs Taylorsville, UT
    April 17, 2014 7:02 a.m.

    Utahns are suffering and dying because they need Medicaid expansion. We have to put human lives ahead of anti-Obama ideology.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 17, 2014 6:13 a.m.

    I wonder how optimistic the 57,000 plus Utah Citizens that would have been covered under Medicaid expansion are? Herbert is still playing with peoples lives while he sits comfortably with lifetime insurance provided by the taxpayers of this state.