@Avenue:@StormwalkerI think the reason you don't "get
it" is that you have the wrong mindset. You need to search, ponder, and pray
when reading something as important as this. Our prophets have told us to pray,
and we will receive a spiritual confirmation that The Book of Mormon is true.******************** I'll treat this as advice, not
condescension. I read, pondered, prayed and studied for years. I
finally realized it was all "the man behind the curtain," as true as the
Easter Bunny or Santa Claus. Little kids believe in all-knowing invisible being
that judges, rewards, and punishes. Adults do the same. I'm
glad your faith works. But Baptists and Buddhists, Jews and Jainists, Mormons
and Muslims, Pagans and Presbyterians, Wiccans and Wesleyans all claim to have
the one true way that will bring happiness and joy in the sweet bye-and-bye.
(Sez so on the label. Some also claim "new and improved" and "builds
strong bones 12 ways.")Sorry, not trying to be harsh. I do live
the golden rule, believe in Karma, and see reincarnation as the system that
I think it is great that the Book of Mormon has changed so many lives. So glad
to see it at #1. It has always been #1 for me. Except for when I was a
rebellious teen, then I probably might have put it at #2. But as a young teen I
did not understand the depth and beauty of the book.
"Real intent" implies that one is willing to act on their promptings. If
one reads the BoM a dozen times without real intent it is a futile exercise. The
fact that it has changed so many lives for the better illustrates that it can.
Failure to receive the BoM message is not a reflection on the book.
BRAHMA - i don't doubt for a second abt your testimony of BoM. i've
known a few (1 personally) who claimed a revelation abt BoM - specifically that
it is not true. i'd like to hear yours if you agree and DN lets my email
server thru - gmail. i'm doing a study on the processes of revelation. thnx
The enthusiasm (and associated link which is now missing) sure has changed as
the content of the list changed.
That is just awesome! The book has certainly changed my life! Hallelujah!
Goosehuntr,” I know the Book of Mormon to be the confirming witness of the
Bible, ”As far as Translated correctly.Mosiah 3:7, “ Luke
22:43-44, Blood”, the very serious doubts as to these verses’
authenticity, they are put in brackets and noted by Modern translations . In 3 Nephi 13:12, (Jesus)“ deliver us from evil”(KJV). Did Jesus
teach the Nephites an abstract prayer in 34 A.D.? The correct translation, Mt
6:13 NIV is “deliver us from “the evil one”( Satan G,= tou
ponerou).JS even copied the errors.RE: Avenue,“Have you even
read it? Even reading the first few chapters and reading the Book of
Mormon”:” …the mysteries of God(1Nephi 1:1 & 2:16) =
(1Cor 4:1) ...make it with mine own hand(1Nephi 1:3)=written it with mine own
hand (Philemon 19) …steadfast and immovable(1Nephi 2:10)=(1Cor 15:58)
…being grieved because of the hardness of their hearts(1Nephi 2:18)=(Mark
3:5) …with lowliness(1Nephi 2:19)=(Eph 4:2).
This is cool I guess, but if it’s just Latter-Day Saints voting en masse
(perhaps multiple times), it doesn’t say as much as it might appear to at
first glance. I hope that its being on this list encourages more people who
haven’t read it yet to do so. It truly is the most life-changing book on
Earth, even moreso than the Bible.
@ MarkWhat about hoping that it was not true? It would have made
life much easier (no tithing, mission, callings) if the answer was not true. I
was, however, open to the answer that came and the more difficult answer came.
I agree with those that say this list does not mean much. Such
lists/polls are fickle and I "don't take them seriously in the
So let's see. How do we know the BOM is true? Well, we really really really
believe it is. How do we find out that it's true? Well, we really really
really want to believe that it's true. You have to have an open
mind, and you have to really want to know it's true, and you have to study
it with an open mind to its truth, and you have to sincerely pray that it's
true. And you'll get a warm fuzzy. And none of you guys see a
problem with that? Oh I know, I know, you'll say you have a
deep and abiding knowledge that it's true. The problem is that many people
believe things, with a deep and abiding knowledge, that just ain't so. But hey, whatever flips your switch. Really. But just don't expect
people that use a bit more, uh. . . critical thinking to believe in something
that clearly has serious problems conforming, at all, to the historical record.
Don't expect most people to take it seriously in the least. For instance, do you take Scientology at all seriously? Same thing.
The Bible changes our behaviour; the Book of Mormon changes the heart; both
are necessary, from Eve and Adam, to the prophet Peter, and to the Apostle
Joseph Smith, there is more and more light for the human personality.
We are often "down" on what we are not up "on". Read the words
of Moroni, chapter 10: verse 4. Try it, you will like it. Do you know of any
other book with promises found in this scripture. Another scripture in the Book
of Mormon is found it the book of Ether, Chaper 12, verse 27. It has been a
help to me for many years.
@BrahmabullMissionary discussions may be given and the Book of
Mormon handed out. That doesn't mean that it is read. I can't tell
you how many times we would go back and visit someone that we had given the Book
of Mormon to that hadn't read it. Your comment that, "More people have
received the answer that it isn't true then people that have received the
answer that it is true." People don't do what is required to get an
answer and therefore it must not be true right? Also, many comments on this
discussion are outside the state of Utah, VA, NY, WA, NV.
PLEASE take this story down!What a huge insult to the Book of Mormon to be
in the top 10 list with such obscene and horrific books!
@Brahmabull ... How many people embracing a lifestyle of any type of sin - any
type at all - are open-minded enough to receive a testimony of the truthfulness
of the Book of Mormon? Moroni promised an intellectual/emotional affirmation,
not a hammer upside the head. We aren't going to see any light at all if we
refuse to remove the blinders.
What books have changed my and for that matter, your life? It is an important
question. It brings understanding of what defines you. I had to dig for what was
meaningful. My vote on this poll brought the number for, ‘The Book of
Mormon: Another Testament of Jesus Christ,' to 24. This book has throughout
my life defined spirituality for me. The most people voting on this list are
also seeking goodness, the light in life. So many of our choices now days,
revolve around what is good, what is better and what is best. Vishen Lakiani,
founder of Mind Valley, has a goal to touch a billion lives for good by 2050. I
find much of the information shared there to be inspiring, uplifting and
challenging. My personal goals are embarrassingly much much smaller, so small in
fact, I didn't think to pass on information about this poll though it is a
simple thing to do. Just a click. So what other books have you let impact your
life for good lately? Share.
maclouieyou really think that a sample size of 35 comments in a Utah
and mormon based newspaper is a good indication of the reality? I am going off
of the number of converts per year, compared to the number of missionary
discussions given per year. You do the math.
Brahmabull:"More people have received the answer that it
isn't true then people that have received the answer that it is
true."Not according to the comments here.
Sorry my sheep, the number 1 spot goes to Mein Kampf it takes the number 1 and
ties for 1st place Mein Kampf followed by moot in 2nd, go kill your self in 3rd
and the b of m in 4th.
bj-hpYou are misleading with the claims you are making. Millions
aren't converted per year. Look at the numbers. Furthermore, you are
basically saying Moroni's promise works, you just have to keep reading and
keep reading and keep praying until you get the answer. More people have
received the answer that it isn't true then people that have received the
answer that it is true.
You might want to check the stats again... further revelation I guess,
I honestly believe that most Mormons have to delude themselves into thinking
they love reading the Book of Mormon. Just like the psychology of bearing your
testimony, if you keep telling yourself you love it, you will start to believe
it.This is the one of the most boring books I have ever read. The
sad part is, most active members have to force themselves to read it each day
but they think the problem is with them, not the book. It's analogous to
an abusive relationship..."It must be me. It's true. I didn't
vacuum today so the BOM hit me and I deserve it. I know the BOM loves me."
Everything good and lasting that has come into my life... from my childhood, to
my amazing wife and children I owe to the Book that transformed my life. I
shudder to think where I would be had I not been affected by the power of the
Book of Mormon. The message is simple... "Come Unto Christ." and once
you do, "Always Remember Him." No more powerful messages could ever be
given, and no greater change in life, freedom and happiness could be found
anywhere else. It is so simple a child can understand it, but the book is also
so deep and complex that it challenges the greatest of minds. Indeed, I know the
Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly, and I know the
Book of Mormon to be the confirming witness of the Bible, and that it dispenses
the doctrine of Christ in it's purest form translated only once. Wise of
God to establish two witnesses of Him independently of one another. God be
thanked for the amazing gift of the Book of Mormon and the lives lost in
preserving it for us.
I've read the Book of Mormon many times and find great truths in it. And
I've read several other books on this list as well and found guiding
principals in them. However determining popularity by public media and voting
consensus will never reveal those truths. This is a popularity contest for
votes. The real influence of the Book of Mormon--or any book--is how
a person lives and reacts after reading it. With this list now including
"Mein Kampf", again, I get suspicious about the credibility of the list
Eh. . . It's fiction.
CatsI know by personal revelation that it isn't true. And just
because you accept it as truth does not make it true.
@StormwalkerI think the reason you don't "get it" is that you
have the wrong mindset. You need to search, ponder, and pray when reading
something as important as this. Our prophets have told us to pray, and we will
receive a spiritual confirmation that The Book of Mormon is true.
This list means absolutely nothing. I LOVE the Book of Mormon and have received
a powerful witness of its truthfulness. However, this list is just a social
media voting contest. As I write, Hitler's Mein Kampf is at #1 & 2
now. The BOM has slipped down to number 4.The best test would have
been to see what book made the top of the list naturally, without campaigning or
advertising. This voting is just a game now.
I was going to say we should all be skeptical of a list of influential books
that includes "Mein Kampf." But it sounds like others have made my
point for me.I guess we should give added skepticism to the fact
that the list also includes a book called "How to Kill Yourself."
The Book of Mormon is the revealed word of God and the book that can change
lives for those who are sincere seekers of truth. If someone
rejects the BofM, it doesn't make it any less true. Some people reject it
due to their own personal emotional problems and a variety of other personal
issues. Not because it isn't true. I know from personal revelation that
it is true. I invite everyone to bring joy into their own lives by reading it
and benefiting there from.
Since May of 1986 I have read the Book of Mormon every day (except about 50
days) and have found it to be more than life changing. It is my guide and
director when I am ready and willing to listen to the answer. I have 4 sets of
scriptures all marked up and I am reading it now on my iPad making comments
along the way that I could not fit in my other books (even though I have hundred
of Post-it Notes in them). I love this book. I love receiving
revelation while reading it and I can always gauge my spirituality by what I
receive while reading it. The Book of Mormon is not on trial here,
we are. If you haven't read it, please do so and pray about its
truthfulness. I know it is the word of God and it can help you in your life, no
matter where you are.
Now Mein Kampf and Book of Mormon are ranked #1 and #2 respectively. I don't see any of my favorite books on the list.
@AvenueAt least a dozen times. Along with extensive study using a
lot of books on varied topics. I was convinced if I looked long enough and hard
enough I'd finally "get" it. I finally realized there was nothing
to get. I still have one original edition Nibley on my shelf -
somebody I care about gave it I me so I keep it. I find far more
wisdom in the Tao Te Ching. Ironically, a line from Nibley about the eastern
roots of many ancient middle eastern practices led me to look at Taoism in the
@bj-hp" It remains the conversion of millions every year"If I recall correctly from conference numbers there were just under 300k
converts and under 200k new births (I forget the term) last year."Failure to receive an affirmative answer lies entirely with the person
and not with the Lord or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon."I'm sure you understand that I cannot possibly agree with that statement
since that statement requires belief that the Book of Mormon is true which of
course is an assumption I don't accept. I understood where it comes from
when Patriot typed it. I'm just saying it's insulting.
@StormwalkerHave you even read it? Even reading the first few chapters and
reading the Book of Mormon when I was a teenager changed my life in a way that
nothing else could have.
Schnee: Whether it is insulting to you or not is really not the question. That
is what is required to get an affirmative answer. It takes an open mind, a
contrite spirit and a definite willingness to change. Failure to be any of
those and the answer will almost always be negative. The Moroni promise is real.
It has been for me and for millions others. It remains the conversion of
millions every year because of the truths it has within its cover. Not even the
Bible can compare with it. The Book of Mormon is for our day more than any
other book on earth. Failure to receive an affirmative answer lies entirely
with the person and not with the Lord or the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon.
RE: Gmlewis, “What things"?The BoM often agrees with the
Bible: Mosiah 27 … God should come down among the children of men, and
take upon him flesh and blood, and go forth upon the face of the earth.(1 Tim 3:16)… God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit,
seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received
up into glory”. God becomes man not man becomes God.Vs
(Mormon Doctrine Bruce McConkie p. 192)”Christ the Firstborn, was the
mightiest of all the spirit children of the Father”(Mosiah 25)
if they be evil they are consigned to an awful aview of their own guilt and
abominations, which doth cause them to shrink from the presence of the Lord into
a state of misery andcendless torment, from whence they can no more return;
therefore they have drunk damnation to their own souls.(Mt
10:28)...fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in
hell(gehenna)& Heb 9:27) Just as people are destined to die once, and
after that to face judgment.Vs Baptism for the dead necessary for
salvation (D&C 1:25)
It will change your life if you read it and pray to receive a confirmation of
its truths. It doesn't need awards...it is an reward in itself.
The Secret had a powerful impact on my life. The Book of Mormon? Not
@patriot"The key words here are 'truly' and 'open
mind' and 'honest heart'."Those are also the
words that are insulting to someone like myself who read it and didn't get
an affirmative answer regarding "Moroni's promise".
@Sasha Pachev"Cursory reading of the Book of Mormon, however,
will not reveal its true depth. When the mind and the spirit are not tuned in,
it will look like a tedious sequence of words that do not make much sense. Which
unfortunately is what happened to a lot of readers, including even the great
Mark Twain. But the book nevertheless has the depth, and many people of all
walks of life and levels of education have seen it."---------I agree completely. I have always felt that the Book of Mormon and its
"depth" is like a fractal - the more you examine it, the more you
discover. And it delivers on this over and over, again and again. But a trivial
inspection is not enough. Even a good inspection is not enough, i.e.
"clinging" to the Iron Rod is not enough. A full, life-long dedication
and study is required, i.e. "Hold fast to the Iron Rod" as the book
itself teaches. That is what it takes to realizes its depth and eternal value.
it is still changing my life, since boyhood to 73yo. i love to read it; it makes
me believe again each time
@MoontanAnd now it's 10th, guess the "internet" finally got
aware of this list. Kinda like how that "name our baby" poll had Chthulu
(probably misspelled that) as the number 1 choice.
any person who has an 'honest heart' and is 'truly'
searching for spiritual truth and reads this book with an 'open mind'
will find that their life changes for the better ...in amazing ways....during
and after they read The Book Of Mormon. The key words here are 'truly'
and 'open mind' and 'honest heart'.
Correction: In the time it took me to type my first post, Hitler's
'Mein Kampf' rose from 25 to 22. Thank for Lord for the BoM.
I heartily agree with the #1 selection. Bravo. And #17 ... it was the
inspiration of Yes' 1974 album (vinyl, thank you) "Tales From
Topographic Oceans" ... magnificent music. But look what clocked in at #25.
?? Yet additional proof that one needs to grasp the Book of Mormon firmly, and
know it and live it.
While the excitement about making the top of this list might be a bit premature,
the Book of Mormon, nevertheless, is a life-changing book. It was for me 21
years ago, and continues to be today. Cursory reading of the Book of Mormon,
however, will not reveal its true depth. When the mind and the spirit are not
tuned in, it will look like a tedious sequence of words that do not make much
sense. Which unfortunately is what happened to a lot of readers, including even
the great Mark Twain. But the book nevertheless has the depth, and many people
of all walks of life and levels of education have seen it.
I don't need a list to tell me that the Book of Mormon is a life-changing
book. It is the single greatest book, along with the Bible. They have both
changed my life for the better.
I went to the link to see what other books are listed, and I think the list
really isn't a good representation of influential books available. When #2
is "The Secret" and #4 is the fictional "Celestine Prophecy" I
doubt the credibility of the data gathered.
"This is an example of what Latter-day Saints can do when we stand for what
we believe and we share it with others,"What, exactly, did you
do? Win a social media vote? Last week Penn State fans won the vote to declare
Joe Paterno the best football coach in the history of the Big Ten Conference. I
guess that goes to show what Penn State fans can do when they stand up for their
belief that they are better than other programs.
During my young teen years, I formulated some essential questions that no
religious leader I met could answer. I visited many faith groups, and each time
I was told that "nobody knows these things." Finally, I was invited to
read The Book of Mormon. Within the first few pages, I recognized the answer to
one of those questions. By the time I was half-way through the book, I had had
all my questions answered to my complete satisfaction. It undoubtedly changed