U., Ute Tribe reach agreement on continued use of Utes

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  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 21, 2014 11:02 a.m.


    How is this deal degrading to anyone? Underpriviledged Ute tribal members get a chance to improve their lives through a college education. That lifts them and possibly their entire tribe, if they choose to use that education to benefit their people on the reservation. They are simply allowing the University to use the name and a symbol. The name is used respectfully in every way by the University. I see no problem with it. No different than putting the Rice, Eccles or Huntsman names on facilities at the U.

  • Bigpics West Haven, UT
    April 18, 2014 8:10 p.m.

    Hey complainers, "blackmail"?? Denigrating them because the then undesirable land they were forced onto turned out to have some valuable minerals? Sheesh.

    The U doesn't have to use the name, and the tribe really does have "earlier rights" (by a few thousand years maybe), so if the university made the deal, they must see the branding value in it...

    ...i.e., no one was holding a gun to their head.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 16, 2014 5:20 p.m.


    Median earnings of bachelor’s degree recipients working full time in 2011 was $56,500, which is $21,100 more than median earnings of high school graduates.

    Investing in education is a good return on investment for taxpayers, both directly with increases in tax revenues and indirectly with reductions in public expenditures.

    In this case, there is no proof tax money is being used to provide these underprivileged kids the opportunity for a university education.

    So why are people like you getting all worked up? Specially considering evidence strongly supports the conclusion that the long-term benefits of investing in post-secondary education exceed the costs, not just for society but also for the individual students.

  • What in Tucket? Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    The decision as to whether "Utes" is up to the Indian Tribe. They decided it was ok. The native Indian system of reservations is a total failure. What Indians need is property rights. Our social welfare system is working to destroy us too.

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    April 16, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    LoBo4 Justice

    "Our white ancestors came to this land and stripped the natives of their land and culture, and displaced entire communities. If the reverse had happened, you can bet we would still be complaining."

    I don't know, let's ask the Mormons how they handled it.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    April 16, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    My first younger, impulsive, and Liberal tendency was to say: "Hey this is Great!!" And for many of the same "positive" [pro Ute] reasons noted by many above.

    However, since I am well over 30, I do have a brain. And that is when I get angry at the U's President and the rest of the bureaucrats who are so quick to spend money that isn't theirs. "It's the Taxpayers, Stupid" who will have to cover the true costs. And the taxpayer, in effect, gets to pony up more $$ that benefits the athletic program directly (name use) and indirectly (shifts the cost away from athletics).

    It may be legal, but it is certainly immoral. So pardon me if I'm less than ecstatic about this horrible move. This is merely ALL the taxpayers subsidizing Ute athletics--not something many of us want to do.

    Go ahead and waive their tuition. Just pay for it with athletic program or private funding like responsible adults would do.

  • Alpiner Alpine, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:39 p.m.

    Can the University waive tuition for all tribal members without approval from the Board of Regents and the Legislature? I'm not saying I'm against this, it just isn't addressed in the article.

  • UtahBruin Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    @LoBo4 Justice

    To start your comment off with how our "white ancestors" stripped the natives of their land and culture. And then to turn around and call "Ute Tribe" capitalist, is border line oxymoron. Had out "White Ancestors" not gained the land and developed it for growth. There would be no capitalism.

    What some tribes endured, is terrible, I agree. But for our world to progress it had to happen. This isn't a game of king of the hill and who who ever gets to the top first gets to claim it as theirs.

    Besides, the indian nations get plenty of money and assistance from government. If you disagree, you need to do a bit of research.

    But the names of the Redskins, Utes, Tribe, etc. They are names, they are not sacred. In this case should Texas cowboys be suing Jerry Jones for that name? I mean they had it first, they called themselves Cowboys first.

    We live in a world of greed and everyone uses it to make themselves bigger, badder, and better. I wonder if people used some humility how much better off we would be. Cant wait for responses to this post.

  • phobosanomaly SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 16, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    @IDC: please explain exactly where "that has gotten them", you seem to know. also, do you also feel the Jews have been "treated as victims"? what exactly do you feel is the best way to address the sovereignty issue?

    @Mormon Ute: the lease of their name flies in the face of anti-cultural appropriation efforts and sends confusing messages. no tribes in New Mexico would do this because it'd be an intrinsically degrading thing to do.

    @Uncle Rico: "The Utes should be honored that an entity is using their name." because using a marginalized people's culture for financial gain should make them feel warm and fuzzy right?

    @Christopher B: sad that you are certainly privileged enough to not be able to understand that it's not a handout they need.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 16, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    Apparently, most of you think that providing MORE underprivileged students access to a university education is a bad thing.

    I for one disagree! I support this agreement.

    Go UTES!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 16, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    @Lifelong Ute: "If anyone dared tell them flat out "no" they'd immediately be branded as bigoted."

    You mean like how PAC-10 said "no" to BYU and Cougar Nation starting screaming bigotry?

  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    April 16, 2014 11:12 a.m.

    So, the taxpayer (certainly not the university, as it will just raise tuition for others) gets held hostage, again, for more money in the form of tuition waiver foir all members of the tribe or eternity. Tuition waivers? This constant dipping into the taxpayer till like it was a government "freebee" has got to stop somewhere. I will never call myself a "Ute", without thinking that it costs each of us so much to do so. Tuition waiver is nothing more than a welfare check from the state of Utah. I think I'd have more pride as a Ute member than that. Thank goodness my native american heritage is Cherokee.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Loyalty, respect, dignity, win-win, but only if there is a price tag. That's real love.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    April 16, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    Native Americans were dealt with harshly and unjustly - many years ago. Tribes have been given lots of money, the opportunity to have lucrative casinos on their land, discounted/free education. Where has that gotten them? Handouts don't help anyone. If you don't work for something, you don't appreciate it, and most will abuse it. In my opinion, Native Americans would be far better off if they hadn't been treated as victims for so long. It would have been harder for them initially, but they would likely be in a much better situation now.

  • kiddsport Fairview, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:19 a.m.

    Does the Ute tribe really get royalties from gas & oil? If so, that's great. Does the tribe use that income to fund scholarships to attend university? If so, I hope they allow at least a portion of those to go to BYU. That way a healthy liberal/conservative balance of the tribe will be maintained. Should a state-sponsored school pay for the use of the tribe's name? Let the taxpayers decide. Is it a major issue? Probably not.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 16, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    Wow! I'm so surprised at the lack of understanding from some of the Ute fans on this board. Really, a handout?!?! That's not what this is all about at all. What the Ute Tribe is asking for is a pittance compared to what most modern sponsorship agreements require. The U is compensating the Tribe for the right to use their name. It would be totally fair to provide tuition waivers to every Ute wanting to attend the U. One thing many of you fail to acknowledge is that the students will still have to qualify academically. Also, you need to read the article more closely. The money to pay for the scholarships will come from the sale of merchandise bearing the drum and feather logo the Tribe is also allowing the U to continue using. It looks to me like a pretty inexpensive marketing agreement and it helps some local Native Americans better themselves at the same time!

  • TheProudDuck Newport Beach, CA
    April 16, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    The Utes have no right to make this decision. They don't know their own interests. White academics in Critical Studies departments know better than Utes what's good for Utes, and it's their dogma that any use of American Indian names in connection with sports is just horrible.

    (No, I don't really believe this. But some people clearly do.)

  • timpClimber Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 9:21 a.m.

    People who make comments about stopping special help for Native American students need to walk several miles in their moccasins. My Ute cousins have shared their struggles through the years and they had to overcome much more than I and my Euro cousins to reach similar educational goals. This is a win-win agreement.

  • no comment New Orleans, LA
    April 16, 2014 8:51 a.m.

    So basically, if you pay us we won't be offended. No money, and we will take offense at you using our name.

    Real class.

  • bribri86 Phoenix, AZ
    April 16, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    Pony up citizens of Utah. You're going to pay so other can go to college free. All just in time for the PAC-12 to Stanford you and tell you can't have the moniker anymore because even though the Ute tribe is alright with it, other people aren't. Only a matter of time.

  • Danish American Payson, UT
    April 16, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Sounds like blackmail to me. We all need to bow before the Society of the Perpetually Offended and Politically Correct Society of America.

  • LoBo4Justice Coalville, UT
    April 16, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    Our white ancestors came to this land and stripped the natives of their land and culture, and displaced entire communities. If the reverse had happened, you can bet we would still be complaining. Further, when tribes do assimilate into our capitalist culture, they are somehow less than the rest of us capitalists for doing so. I don't get it. It is their name; they struck a deal. That is capitalism at work. Deserving students of all colors and ethnicities exist in this state--each and every one of them deserves an opportunity to attain a higher education. Good for the Utes for looking out for their young. I wish the white power structure cared as much about educating their deserving students as the Utes do.

  • 5 Orem, UT
    April 16, 2014 7:13 a.m.

    They want to make sure the Ute Tribal members who want to go to the U can afford it.

    In the past year the Ute tribe received a check for 41 million dollars. And that is just for the drilling permit fees. The oil royalties are ongoing and add up to millions also. With fewer than 1500 total tribal members, I'd say they have plenty of money if education was truly a high priority.

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    April 16, 2014 5:51 a.m.

    Chris B you nailed it. I personally am so tired of these minority's constantly whining. Get off your hinders opportunity awaits you. Put your hands in your pockets and quit reaching for handouts.

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    April 16, 2014 5:22 a.m.

    I'm surprised at all the free market capitalists here who object to a corporate entity commodifying and trademarking a name and a brand. Seems out of character, except for the white tribal dimension.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:46 a.m.

    I'm glad everything was handled exactly how it should have been. Both sides demonstrated a lot of respect and class, and both sides came out with a win.

    Go Utes!

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    April 16, 2014 1:35 a.m.

    @Girlse State

    Apparently, the use of the names is only offensive if the price paid for such use isn't high enough.

  • Bastiatarian TUCSON, AZ
    April 16, 2014 1:32 a.m.

    For some reason, "Our name is high and honorable...This is how much we'll sell it for" seems a little, well, contradictory...

  • Brent T. Aurora CO Aurora, CO
    April 16, 2014 1:32 a.m.

    Let's hear from the rivals down the road in Provo. Class move by a great institution The University of Utah. On the athletic field it's great to battle and I hope we beat you every time we play. But hats off to you for making the state of Utah proud as a state owned school representing us well.

  • Pride Provo, UT
    April 16, 2014 1:10 a.m.

    Does anyone know if they'll be eligible to use the featherhead jerseys that leaked a little while ago now? That would be way cool.

  • Lifelong Republican Orem, UT
    April 15, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    I thought it was the Utah Pac 12ers. Hmm. I guess you learn something everyday.

    What are all of those banners saying pac 12 flying around SLC?

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:44 p.m.

    Wonderful news! Glad to see such a great relationship between the school and the tribe. The Ute tribe deserves a great deal like this, and the University, which has long shown great respect for the tribe, has earned the ability to keep using the logo and name. Win win. I love the point from one of the Utes that were it not for the affiliation with the U, no one would know about the Utes.

    Go Utes (the school AND the tribe). So glad to see some good sense brought to this situation.

  • Lifelong Ute Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:35 p.m.

    @ChrisB - you need to learn some tact. Sometimes you have valid points but people get put off by your approach. As a lifelong Ute and lifelong member of this state, I just don't like the idea of the name continually being held over our heads forever. 10 years from now will they be able to come back and demand more? Is it just an endless "get what we want" card?

    If anyone dared tell them flat out "no" they'd immediately be branded as bigoted.

  • Girlse State Midvale, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:32 p.m.

    This doesn't really make sense with all we've been hearing about the use of such names as offensive to the tribes.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    I don't take quite the harsh approach as Chris, but I do wish every student earned their way into the school and every spot given to someone for just being an Indian takes away from a potentially more deserving student who isn't an Indian

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    April 15, 2014 10:14 p.m.

    At least Chris didn't talk about the prestige of the pac 12 before mentioning the Utes. Sounds like a good agreement and one that will ensure that any member of the Ute tribe that wants to attend college will be able to.

    Now if the sports teams of the university could just live up to the might Ute name...

    April 15, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    motorbike, amen. I second President Pershing's words:

    "The Ute name is at the core of the cultural identity of the the Tribe and its members... An educated understanding of the tribal Utes -- as well as other native peoples in this region -- is fundamental to an informed history of our state. From that acknowledgement comes authentic and respectful fan behavior. 'Go Utes' is not simply distinctive shorthand for 'Utah.' It is a much-loved phrase that at its best recognizes -- and values -- the richness of Ute Indian history and heritage."

  • Uncle Rico Sandy, UT
    April 15, 2014 9:05 p.m.

    Wow Chris B, thanks for that observation.

    The Utes should be honored that an entity is using their name. Receiving "resources" has nothing to do with honor. It's simply an issue of right and wrong.