Police nab man suspected of gropings at BYU

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  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    April 21, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    Dr. Thom - It's more than likely that the case will be resolved by September. Either way, if he is guilty, he's not coming back to campus.

    I hate to break it everybody, but there are so many "Peter Priesthoods" in this world who have done heinous things. I realize this isn't rape, but it is still very serious.

    As a BYU student, and a single one at that, I often know the dark realities behind so-called Squeaky Clean RMs. Many young couples get divorced because the man is a pornography addict. Sometimes he's dishonest and becomes a salesman for certain alarm companies with dishonest reputations. There are many people who commit crime that shocks their family. Very few first time offenders do not shock their families.

  • abtrumpet Provo, UT
    April 21, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Laura - I don't understand what you're trying to say. How did this suddenly become an attack on the Church? It's a police matter, and any other school would have done the same, not only to protect itself but also its students. Legally, he is innocent until proven guilty but the school does not need to recognize that to ban him from their property. It is private property and they can ban whoever they want. It doesn't say that they expelled him, either, which I suspect they won't make a decision on until he is acquitted or convicted.

  • LovelyDeseret Gilbert, AZ
    April 15, 2014 3:44 a.m.

    This should be a slap on the wrist and training, not ruining somebody's life for brushing by a few people when he is out jogging.

  • Capsaicin Salt Lake City, UT
    April 14, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    No idea how justice is served by plastering his picture on every local media source. In 5 years will the story be old enough news its not on the web in 15 different places? The dude obviously needs a lot of help.

  • TriciaCT Trumbull, CT
    April 14, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    BYU administrators must have sufficient evidence that he is guilty of the charged offenses, or they would not have permanently banned him and evicted him. Regardless of the court outcome, these gropings etc. are violations of the BYU Code of Conduct every student agrees to.

    I support BYU's actions in this matter. In CT we have the opposite situation at both public and private universities, where it appears that women are not safe from attacks and harassment at schools such as UConn and Yale.

  • Dr. Thom Long Beach, CA
    April 14, 2014 4:59 a.m.

    So if evicted from his apartment and banned from university property, is he still a student? I would like to know before my daughter goes to BYU in the fall.

  • NeilT Clearfield, UT
    April 13, 2014 3:27 p.m.

    If he is working in the medical field he needs to be monitored very closely. If he has plans to pursue medical school those plans may never come to fruition. No medical school would ever admit a convicted sex offender.

  • Fullypresent Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    The guy obviously has a problem whether he is married or not and needs some serious help. Perhaps he does need to be arrested and be forced to face his demons and do something about them. Just because he didn't rape the women doesn't mean it wasn't sexual assault and that he doesn't have some serious issues. Regular people don't just go around doing this regularly to strangers. Hopefully, he won't get off just because he is Mr. clean up america. If he gets off I can almost promise you he will have even more serious problems down the road.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 12, 2014 6:18 p.m.

    The perp, whether it is this man or not, has serious psychological problems that will only become worse unless he is apprehended and treated.

  • Somebody Provo, UT
    April 12, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    I've known Nate for a few years now. My wife works with his wife. From what details I've heard from the victim's side, the police are charging him because they can identify him as being near 2 of the 16 attacks. The other 14, he provided info that he wasn't anywhere nearby. Those that identified him just said he was on the track during a space of time that could implicate him as having perpetrated one of the attacks. The footage that captured him shows him running from his apartment North of New Heritage on his way to run on the indoor track. Doesn't it seem odd that the police spokesperson kept saying they are confident that he is responsible for all 16 occurrences? Why did he repeat the same idea 3 times in that quote? How can they do this to someone if 7/8 of the incidents to which he is being accused of are almost definitely not him? And the other 2 times, he was merely in the vicinity.

    Only time will tell what happens.

  • tsmith89 American Fork, UT
    April 12, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    Wow, I've had Nate as a TA for the past semester. This is pretty shocking, never would have thought he'd be one to do something like this. He's a super nice guy. Something is definitely wrong upstairs if he's indeed the one to have done those. Hopefully he gets proper help to treat that. Talk about a quick way to ruin your life though that's for sure!

  • Chachi Charlottesville, VA
    April 12, 2014 1:24 p.m.

    The article didn't really say what evidence there is against this guy except witness statements and surveillance video. Maybe they've got something higher-res than the blurry photo that's been released. As it reads, it isn't clear what makes the police so sure.

  • korn75 Cedar Hills, UT
    April 12, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    I am disgusted by the supportive comments I'm reading here for this sex offender. How dare you sympathize with the suspect! I don't care if you knew him personally or not. Sexual predators are typically very respected and loved by their family and friends. It's not uncommon for people to disbelieve that their friend/family would ever do something like this, but it's even worse for you to get on here and doubt the victims or show your support for the man who did this. He's a sick individual who needs more than help. He needs to go to jail. The suspect, assuming he is proven guilty, obviously has a side to him that no one knew about. You should be showing your support for the victims, NOT the suspect. And for those who refuse to believe this just because you knew him.. shame on you.

  • UGradBYUfan Snowflake, AZ
    April 12, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    hamaca - What you are saying is true. He has not been proven guilty. But with that said, there is reasonable evidence (see video) that he is guilty and to insure the safety of other individuals, it is wise to remove him from campus until he can be cleared. I do agree that he should be be tried first before banning for life.

  • Laura Bilington Maple Valley, WA
    April 12, 2014 11:08 a.m.

    I have no idea if this man is innocent or guilty.

    But I wonder about the legality or morality of kicking this guy out of his school and his housing before he has even gone to trial, let alone been convicted. The law says he is innocent until proven guilty. The 11th Article of Faith says that the Church believes in obeying the law. Perhaps that 11th Article should be amended to read .."except when we don't like the law. Then we appeal it or ignore it".

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 12, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    People need to stop minimizing the crimes he committed. He has done it numerous times. Not all cases were a quick 'tap' on the buttocks. It is much more serious then that. He would have eventually been bored with that and it would have escalated to something even worse. I am not saying this guy is the guy who did it, that is for the police and a jury to decide. If it is I am sure he has a rough road ahead of him.

  • hamaca Baton Rouge, LA
    April 12, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    "It's hardly a heinous crime when one person slaps or taps or touches another person while zipping past. Nor do a number of misdemeanors add up to a felony. Both are defined by statute. The behaviour is disturbing, no question. The overreaction of some is equally so."

    How would you like it if your daughter was groped in certain places by some stranger while she was out for a walk in what is normally deemed to be a safe area?

  • TimBehrend Auckland NZ, 00
    April 12, 2014 6:42 a.m.

    It's hardly a heinous crime when one person slaps or taps or touches another person while zipping past. Nor do a number of misdemeanors add up to a felony. Both are defined by statute. The behaviour is disturbing, no question. The overreaction of some is equally so.

  • tmlr Provo, UT
    April 12, 2014 12:24 a.m.

    I know Nate and have for the last few years. I find it hard to image that he would do this. He is one of the last people I would ever imagine in this situation. I honestly don't think I will believe it until I see a video that actually shows that it is him .... that has good quality to it. I hope the video they say they used is better quality than the one they have been showing. Nate has always been someone that I looked up to for his cheery and contagious attitude.

  • wendell provo, UT
    April 11, 2014 10:55 p.m.

    I know this young man and his fine family on a personal level, and have for many years. It's very hard for me to even fathom that he might be guilty, and I hope he is not. All I am sure about is that I will be praying for everyone involved in this situation.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    April 11, 2014 10:36 p.m.

    Cougar - You just really never know what a person is capable of doing because you don't live inside their head.

    I'm not saying that he is innocent or guilty but to say someone would never do something . . . well, even those we think we know will surprise us from time to time.

  • hamaca Baton Rouge, LA
    April 11, 2014 10:33 p.m.

    "Wow! Banned from all university properties "permanently" and evicted from his apartment because the university simply knew "charges were pending" in this, a misdemeanor? Sounds like a big reaction heaped onto someone who's technically still just a suspect."

    If it is proven in court that he is guilty, and in the meantime he committed more such acts on campus, the university could certainly be a target legal action for not have taken appropriate measures to protect students. Entities these days have do all they can to avoid potential liability.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    April 11, 2014 8:44 p.m.

    We really should look at the positive in this.

    1) The slapping, tapping, etc. could have turned worse. It was apparently stopped before that.
    2) If he's charged and sentenced with something that will help him change, and not isolate him as "born a certain way", then we can help a man repair his life. If there's hope of prevention, that hope should be fed.
    3) Doing so would help women in the end.
    4) Doing so would help his family have the chance to recover and remain intact if they so choose.

    We can feed hate or feed hope. I vote for the latter personally. But my only point is that rather than be outraged, and feed being offended. He isn't Ted Bundy, so I wouldn't treat him like it. We should simply look at this proactively because unlike so many other cases- we've stopped something at a point where hope may still exist.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    April 11, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    I was instructed to redit my comment because it was judged offensive. I was just relaying what was written in the newspaper story I read when I lived in Columbus OH. Without offending anyone, this activity will lead to bad consequences and danger; the danger is up to you to imagine.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    April 11, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    Innocent until proven guilty only holds true in a court.
    In real life you are guilty as soon as your heart commits the crime. You're guilty long long long before you ever get to trial.

  • Logit ,
    April 11, 2014 5:47 p.m.

    Wow! Banned from all university properties "permanently" and evicted from his apartment because the university simply knew "charges were pending" in this, a misdemeanor? Sounds like a big reaction heaped onto someone who's technically still just a suspect.

  • Kelliebelle66 West Jordan, UT
    April 11, 2014 5:46 p.m.

    Cougar 4 Life, I hope he has a good lawyer too and gets a fair trial. Police have been investigating this for a long time and obviously they have more evidence than just that photograph because it alone would not give them enough evidence for charging him. It is true that he is innocent until proven guilty and that is how people should look at him under the law. But remember, most people who do these types of crimes often surprise those who know them. Look at Ted Bundy. He used to walk girls out to their cars at night at the U of U when he was actually the killer that had the women scared to walk alone. Men who do bad things often have nice faces and nice manners. And people who also participate in this type of behavior often escalate to bigger things because they need more to get that excitement they are craving. Hopefully if he is the perpetrator he will get help and get this behavior nipped in the bud. I was groped in high school and back then people considered it just a boys will be boys prank. It is a crime with consequences.

  • Itsme2 SLC, UT
    April 11, 2014 5:21 p.m.

    Cougar, and if it is proven true, then it's not a travesty to him but it IS a travesty to the women he attacked.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    April 11, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    This is just sad. He probably has all kinds of potential to be a responsible person, but this will make it hard for him to do so. Maybe help with make a difference, we hope.

  • Cougar 4 Life Provo, UT
    April 11, 2014 4:39 p.m.

    This is extremely hard to believe. Isn't he supposed to be innocent until proven guilty? I have known him for 10 years and do not believe this. I hope he has a good lawyer when this is proven to be untrue. The picture proves nothing. This is a travesty if it is false!!!

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    April 11, 2014 4:27 p.m.

    If he is indeed the perp that committed these heinous acts, I feel very sorry for his wife in addition to the victims.

  • Witty Username Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 11, 2014 4:12 p.m.

    Recently married too. I feel really bad for his wife and family. Hopefully this guy can get help and get his life back on track.

  • California Steve Hanford, CA
    April 11, 2014 3:36 p.m.

    One time a misdemeanor and get the guy some help. Sixteen times a felony and do time.