Women seeking priesthood march again to Temple Square

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  • Social Mod Fiscal Con West Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2014 4:46 p.m.


    It kills me that you are quoting Wikipedia as your proof. The ongoing battle over any LDS topic on Wikipedia is well-known. Even the statement you used is suspect. Yes, it is true that the Edmunds-Tucker Act was a major trial for the Church, but what Wiki forgot to tell you is that the Federal Government had already taken nearly every asset they could touch. There really wasn't much left to take.

    If you do some real research, you will see that the LDS in Utah Territory put up with an unbelievable amount of abuse from the Federal Government. If the decision to end polygamy was purely a made by man, they could have done so any time in the 40 years they were putting up with it.

    It is my belief that the membership showed their willingness to follow God's will no matter how distasteful it was or how much persecution they received for doing so. Polygamy was ended when God decided they had proved themselves.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    April 10, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    @ Commodore

    Elder Oaks made it very clear that the answer is A.

    You better believe that the General Authorities of the Church have prayed, went to the temple to seek revelation, before they address the members at General Conference. I'm sure they have prayed about the ordination of women as well as other issues that were spoken at conference.

    The problem is the OW movement will not take "no" for an answer even when it comes from God through His servants. This group is following the trends of society in fighting for this notion of "equality". When Elder Oaks already addressed that we're all equal in the eyes of God and are given different roles in our mortal life. Unfortunately this movement will continue to protest and petition the Lord. OW needs to be careful because they're flirting with apostasy and experience the same fate as Sonja Johnson.

    This movement needs to stop! If the Lord wanted women to hold the priesthood. The announcement would have already been made. We all need to have faith in God and the roles each of us play in this life and in His church.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 10, 2014 9:59 a.m.


    Nice try.


    I believe you are the one trying to mislead. You say president Woodruff said something, but you don't provide the quote. Come on, you can do better then that. Go ahead and type in 'manifesto' on wikipedia. It explains very clearly that the United states had a right to come and take all of the church's assets if they continued to break the law under the Edmunds–Tucker Act of 1887. In response to that the church (Woodruff specifically) stopped approving plural marriages. Shortly thereafter, to comply, the manifesto was issued. It seems strange to me that instead of continuing polygamy, with god on their side, they decided to end it instead. Couldn't god just protect them instead, and then they could have kept practicing polygamy? It is easy to say after the fact that if god wanted it to continue it would have... Utah would not have become a state, so therefore they had no choice but to stop the practice. It had nothing to do with god or he would have told them to continue and he would take care of the rest.

  • Commodore West Jordan, UT
    April 10, 2014 7:43 a.m.

    I have actually gone to the Ordain Women website and read this stance. On their website they request/plead that the first presidency of the church will pray about this issue. I don't have a problem with that. All the first presidency has to do is pray and tell the world and this movement that the Lord told them......

    A). No. Women shall not receive the priesthood.
    B). Not yet. And we don't know when it is right.
    C). Yes. Women shall receive priesthood now.

    This whole thing is reminiscent of the blacks and the priesthood. I hear some in the church saying "No it can't be done" instead of " Let me pray about that and ask God". God has the final say, not man.

    I would ask that the leadership of the LDS church just pray about this and let the world know if the answer is A, B, or C. If the women of this movement are truly faithful they will accept any answer that comes from sincere prayer.

  • alaska dude anchorage, AK
    April 10, 2014 2:34 a.m.

    @ brahmabull
    The church did not exclude blacks for racism or extend it because of social evolution. In the new testament the gentiles were not allowed access to many things in the church until the day of penticost where Peter gratefully witnessed the outpouring to all. God is not a respecter of persons but don't assume he isn't the one running the show here. He does what He does and we either follow Him or not.

    Church policy is NOT reactive to modern culture.

  • bj-hp Maryville, MO
    April 9, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Brahmabull: You do realize that as President Woodruff stated that if the Lord had wished for polygamy to continue that he would have kept the practice. It really had nothing to do with wanting to become a state, though for some that appears to be the reason. As has been stated before on many other boards, Brigham Young mentioned that at a future date African American Blacks would one day once more hold the Priesthood. From as early as Joseph F Smith through to Spencer W Kimball leaders of the Church had tried to reconcile to giving the African American Blacks the Priesthood. As President Hinkley and others have stated over and over again that when the revelation came allowing blacks to hold the priesthood, it was given.

    Now you can believe it or not. Regardless neither of the circumstances has any bearing on yours or my eternal progression. If you want to continue to try and mislead that is fine as that is up to you but facts are facts.

    However, for women to receive the priesthood may never be given as that kind of pressure will never hold.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    April 9, 2014 2:16 p.m.

    @Brahmabull - Simply not true

  • Cal Coug Loomis, CA
    April 9, 2014 12:05 p.m.

    Funny how all the hype leading up to the protest claimed that 500 women would be marching on Temple square. Turns out that the total was 200, and that included male supporters. So, this really isn't much of a movement after all. Most thoughtful women in the Church already appreciate that they are completely equal to men in the eyes of the Lord, and are of absolute equal importance in God's plan. I think the misguided marchers would be better off seeking ordination in a different denomination--one that believes that popular outcry trumps the words of a Prophet.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 9, 2014 8:40 a.m.


    The church has changed it's stance and doctrine numerous times in the face of pressure from the outside. Polygamy ended so Utah could become a state - it would have not been able to do so had polygamy continued. Blacks were able to get the priesthood because the civil rights movement gained steam and so the church allowed it. It doesn't take a revelation. The bretheren may very well do the same thing here in the face of pressure.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    April 9, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    To: Common Sense in Idaho - your comments were absolutely wonderful and I totally agree with you.

  • suzyk#1 Mount Pleasant, UT
    April 9, 2014 7:53 a.m.

    These comments were wonderful and truth telling. The members of the OW group have been misled and someday they will realize it and experience much regret. It's just sad to me they choose to express their frustration and anger during a most sacred time in the lives of millions of faithful latter-day saints. Hopefully somde day these women will realize the error of their ways and choose to Repent.

  • SuziQ Springville, UT
    April 9, 2014 12:18 a.m.

    If the Ordain Women movement wanted to see true feminine power, they should have attended the Women's General Meeting. While the men were there to preside and protect, the women ran the show. A woman conducted. Women talked, sang, conducted the songs, and played the music. One member of the First Presidency talked and referred to the influence of his mother and his wife. It was amazing and powerful. Even more amazing is that I am quite sure that none of these women would have lobbied to have their callings or to seek for this "power". There is a certain dignity and grace that these women have because they haven't sought for their positions, but rather are focused on how to serve their fellow man, woman, & children. Christ believed in service. The Pharisees believed and defended their power by killing Christ. I think the OW movement wants the power of the Priesthood rather than the service that exemplifies a true Priesthood holder. Perhaps if they understood their own personal power better, they wouldn't need an exterior ordination to make them feel equal and important.

  • SuziQ Springville, UT
    April 9, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    I think it is interesting to hear the leaders of the Ordain Women movement say that they believe in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. The bedrock foundation of this Church is that Christ is the head of it. He decides what is to be done and how it is done on important matters, like who has the Priesthood. Those in the OW movement seem to think that they might be able to get the human leaders of the Church to get the divine leader to change His mind. Or they should just give in to popular opinion. Does this make sense? I am not sure what benefit being a Priesthood holder would give these women. If callings are given by revelation and Jesus hasn't given a revelation to give them the Priesthood yet, what calling do they think they will hold? Do they want to be Bishops, Stake Presidents, or even the Prophet? Why? Most men don't ever have these offices. Why would a woman? Most of us are teachers in this church, not the leader of the congregations. This seems like a power grab.

    April 8, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    I truly feel sad for the active LDS women who have been caught up in this "movement". Most at the protest were ex-members or non-members hoping to damage thr Church. The real leaders in this movement are not doing it for the LDS sisters...

    Elder Oaks spoke so powerfully and perfectly in teaching us all about the priesthood. I would not ever try to add to his comments.

    These are truly times when the adversary will "lead away the very elect". I hope those Church members involved in the OW movement will come to a knowledge of what they are doing and make the necessary changes....

  • ipr Spanish Fork, UT
    April 8, 2014 12:01 p.m.

    @sharrona, just read the footnote that is attached to Elias.

  • C.J. Greeley, CO
    April 8, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    @ Hutterite and Stormwalker - What you don't understand is that women lead in a very powerful way in our church. The Relief Society has just as much control over things as a bishopric does. That they don't actually perform the ordinances (in most cases) is true, but that doesn't change the fact that the women lead. Each week a ward council meets which is the major decision maker in each ward. That council is made up of both men and women. Furthermore, we men listen to our wives more than we listen to ourselves. When a new bishop or stake president is called, not only are the men interviewed but their wives are also. This is also true of general authorities. I have served in the primary and cub scouts for most of my adult life - my leaders have been women. Women preach and pray every week in our wards. They serve missions, visit the sick and disheartened, and carry the church on their shoulders. There are those who will not believe this because the men hold all the priesthood offices, but the women in our church are more important than the men.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    April 8, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    I beg to differ with slcman on how we have altered our doctrines or reversed them. If your regarding Polygamy at the end of the 19th century you need to revisit a little history. I personaly come from 2 polygamous family branches and even their histories account that Monogamy was the rule in the church and that polygamy was only allowed in certain circumstances. Less than 15-20% in fact and it had to be sanctioned by the leadership of the church. You couldn't just enter a polygamous marriage their had to be a specific reason for it and even they knew that the practice wasn't to be permanant. The anti polygamy laws just brought the practice to an end quicker. By the way this is in complete harmony with Jacob 2:22-30. As for Blacks and the Priesthood the writings of any general authority from the early part of the 20th century including Gordon B Hinckly then an assistant to the Quorum of the 12 would have let you know that the concensus was always in favor of extending the preisthood to Black members the lords answer was not yet but it would at a future date.

  • Lovetoserve peyton, CO
    April 7, 2014 11:07 p.m.

    It's pretty plain and simple. Our LDS leaders did not decide the gender that would be allowed to hold the Priesthood, Heavenly Father did, so if you are upset about Heavenly Father's way of doing things, and you think He is being unfair or unequal, then take it up with Him! He directs our leaders, they don't direct Him!

  • benbookworm Fresno, CA
    April 7, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    Right now the church is being criticized because it won't ordain women, but if it did, it would then be criticized as being hypocritical and for changing its doctrine. If someone has such a big problem with any organization, the proper response is to form one's own organization, not excoriate an existing organization with ideals they disagree with and whose history would remain "tainted" by a period of "non-acceptance" even if said ideals were amended.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    April 7, 2014 5:48 p.m.

    @TheWalker: If women were to be given the Priesthood, then what role would men have?

    I've been a member of two churches that ordained women and that put the most capable person in a calling, regardless of gender.

    In my experience women bring a different viewpoint to things, and having women in leadership and co-equal positions gives an organization greater range in handling all manner of situations and issues.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    April 7, 2014 5:35 p.m.

    It looks like the girls have an immovable wall in this issue, and it is neither hyperbole nor stereotype whenever I tell someone religion works to oppress women, judging by the nature and quantity of comments. Still, I've got no dog in this hunt, god's changed (his) mind before, no reason to think it can't happen again. You go, girls.

  • TheWalker Saratoga Springs, UT
    April 7, 2014 5:22 p.m.

    If women were to be given the Priesthood, then what role would men have? Such an arrangement would only create confusion and conflict. We see such conflict in the society today where men are increasingly an optional element in the modern family.

    The Creator made the roles of men and women distinct and complimentary, each playing a vital role in the creation of souls and guiding them down the path to return to Him.

    These misguided women are seeking to usurp the authority of the Priesthood for themselves, and disrespecting the leaders of the Church they claim to love in the process.

  • MormÓn de SunDevil Nation Mesa, AZ
    April 7, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    Every time a worthy sister performs in her calling (assuming she was set apart) isn't she is exercising the Priesthood? Ipso facto - sadly, this is about the noun (persons & titles) and not the verb (acts of selfless service).

  • rzamor1 American Fork, UT
    April 7, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    I had one of their followers Abigayle M. Ellison @Abigayle412 tweet me during conference saying "Our God is a man and a women. Pretty sure she has priesthood. I want to be like her". Later others in their group tried to do damage control saying that is not what they believe. You just can't mix a bunch of religions and man made desires up and try to make it sound like the desire of just one faith. Our general conference is just the flavor of the day for many of them. Their mission statement makes no reference to believing in Jesus Christ or the Holy Ghost either.

  • Kaladin Greeley, CO
    April 7, 2014 4:36 p.m.

    The men and women who protested and tried to enter the conference center on Saturday evening either didn't listen to the talks given in October or earlier Saturday, didn't understand what was said, or didn't care what was said.

  • WRK Riverton, UT
    April 7, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Shades of Sonia Johnson (from the 70s movement). Different name, same purpose, most likely same outcome.

  • goosehuntr Tooele, UT
    April 7, 2014 1:55 p.m.

    Well, reading these comments is interesting in the turns they take. So, leaving this topic for hopefully ever, I sincerely pray for these women as this church is focused so much on the one. Everyone, is of eternal worth.. and to lose anyone is a tragedy. While there will be a never ending debate on the origins of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter - Day Saints, it is my witness that it originated with Jesus Christ himself, and restored through a boy prophet born and raised up for that purpose. AS we were reminded this weekend... Where there is truth, there always will be opposition to it. It will ever be so, to indeed validate that it really is true. I have my own witness of these things. No one else told me. I asked and received, and the fruits of it continue to bring the greatest of happiness to my life. The fruits of the Restoration of this truth are sweet indeed. On this earth reside 15 prophets, seers and revelators and they have directed us this weekend. No one can read their words and say, they lie..they are of Satan. Unless Satan is against himself. Judge ye.

  • Tahoemormon1970 North Salt Lake, UT
    April 7, 2014 1:38 p.m.

    These women in the OW group probably already have many, many responsibilities being wives and mothers. What makes them think that their lives will be blessed and improved upon by receiving the authority and subsequent responsibilities? They will soon, very soon, realize that they will be walking or running faster than they have the energy, stamina and strength from God to accomplish all that they have to do. The increased responsibilities and assignments will almost immediately become a detriment as they lack the time and/or resources to complete their tasks. The smallest organization within the Church and Kingdom of God is the family and in order for the family to function an equally yoked married companionship needs to possess mutual strength. It will NOT function properly when there is a husband trying to pull an overly worked and overwhelmed wife because she has taken upon herself unnecessary responsibilities all because she coveted that which she ought not to have.

  • sharrona layton, UT
    April 7, 2014 1:16 p.m.

    RE: gmlewis, “The nature of each of the priesthood offices has come through revelation”?

    In(D&C 110: 1-16) Elias and Elijah appear to JS, but in the Bible they are the same person. The KJV translators attempted to transliterate Elijah to Elias because there isn’t a Greek character for the English letter J.

    To avoid confusion, modern translations: NIV, NJKV, NASB and the Catholic Bible have Elijah instead of Elias in(Mt 11:14, Mark 9:12-13; Luke 1:17)JS was fooled.

    In(D&C 84: 6-17) the line of priesthood is given from Moses to Adam. verse 13, Esaias, who lived in the days of Abraham. Esaias is, from Greek Septuagint.

    To avoid confusion Modern N.T. translations have Isaiah instead of Esaias, see (Romans 9:27,29, NKJV, NIV,NET). JS used the KJV but he could not read Greek

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    April 7, 2014 1:00 p.m.


    If the Lord decides to give the Priesthood to Women it will not be because you marched on the square. Any man or woman who seeks authority in the church is not worthy of the authority or its blessings.

    It causes me much sadness when I hear of this movement as it certainly can only lead to a loss of faith. It also causes me much sadness when I hear others invite these women to leave the church. What we should be doing is praying, listening to the lords servants, accepting our callings, showing compassion towards others, and not letting our pride rob ourselves of our own salvation and the salvation of others (whom ye chase away, or deceive).

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    April 7, 2014 12:59 p.m.

    How is a woman protesting (let's call it as it is) the Priesthood, any different from a Man protesting or petitioning to be a Bishop, or Stake President or Apostle? It is not done this way in the Lords church.

    If you believe it should be done this way, then you cannot believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Lords church. But rather that it is a club or community group made up by a con artist.

  • GreatScot Eagle Mountain, UT
    April 7, 2014 11:54 a.m.

    The brethren of the Church have no power to grant women priesthood ordination without express permission from God. Thus, women who want the priesthood should go directly to the source - they each have a direct line of prayer to Him, the same as any priesthood holder. There is a precedent for this; black people received the priesthood in the 1970's after many years of patient and prayerful petitioning of the Lord. He heard their prayers and granted the petition.

    There are references in the Bible to the "high priestess" showing that it is not without historical precedent.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    April 7, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    The issue being discussed isn't the priesthood, but rather priesthood offices. The nature of each of the priesthood offices has come through revelation, and can be perfectly understood from the ordinances in the temple.

    Therefore, I ask the question: "Which office(s) of the priesthood do these Sisters seek to obtain?" Since no priesthood office is necessary for the Sister's salvation, I offer the next question: "Why?"

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2014 11:09 a.m.

    "Yes we are saying these women need to learn and know their place but it isn't the dark and ominous thing you are trying to make it appear."

    Of course not, it's a bright kitchen full of sandwiches... or at least that's the impression I get out of a decent number of you...

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    April 7, 2014 11:06 a.m.

    "What Ms. Kelly needs to learn is obedience,"

    She's a woman, not a dog.

  • The Caravan Moves On Enid, OK
    April 7, 2014 10:59 a.m.

    Article quote: "Despite polite and respectful requests from church leaders not to make Temple Square a place of protest, a mixed group of men and women ignored that request and staged a demonstration outside the Tabernacle on General Conference weekend, refusing to accept ushers' directions and refusing to leave when asked," said Cody Craynor, spokesman for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."

    And, the seeds of apostasy in these individuals continues to bear it's dangerous 'fruit'.....

    How sad.

    These individuals claim that they are nothing like those outside the LDS faith who attack the Church and yet small choice by small choice they are becoming exactly like them.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 7, 2014 10:47 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    First of all, even if the bible doesn't specifically say that women held the priesthood that doesn't mean that they didn't. Second, there are many mormon teachings that don't agree with bible teachings, so your comparison is void. Third, in the early days of the LDS church there is strong evidence that women held some sort of priesthood - they gave blessings by the laying on of hands, healing blessings, etc. So don't be so quick to say that because it isn't today, that it won't be tomorrow. You know as well as I do that the mormon church has a history of claiming one thing is doctrine, and then saying it isn't doctrine later. So why couldn't that happen here?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 7, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    @the wraith

    Yes we are saying these women need to learn and know their place but it isn't the dark and ominous thing you are trying to make it appear. Men also need to learn and know their place, in Christ's church men have their place and women have thiers. He is the one that has assigned those roles and we are both required to learn them, know them, and execute them. It is as simple as that. There is no "back of the bus" oppression nor is there anything else disciriminatory about it. We each have a role and we are expected to fill that role.

  • The Wraith Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2014 10:20 a.m.


    No you wouldn't. Because if the church did make such a drastic change in doctrine they would do so by saying that it came from a revelation and the faithful would believe that and move on. I'm not saying that to make fun of you or the church either, I'm really not. My only point is that the church has indeed made drastic changes in doctrine, have based them on revelation, and the church moved on and was as solid as ever.

    The ending of polygamy was a very drastic change and came because of political pressure. The change in giving Black men the priesthood was very drastic (don't believe me - just go back and read some of the talks from Mark E. Peterson in the 50's and others) and the church moved on and thrived.

    If President Monson came out next week and said he had received a divine revelation that women would now be ordained the vast majority of members would accept it as revelation and move on. A year later it wouldn't even be an issue. Again, that's not a bad thing just a reality.

  • lixircat Indianapolis, IN
    April 7, 2014 10:04 a.m.

    If the church did make such a drastic change in any doctrine based on public pressure or protest, and the Lord did not remove the prophet within a week, I'd leave the church immediately. We don't vote or reason out what we believe the doctrine should be. We pray for the help to understand what the doctrine is.

  • The Wraith Kaysville, UT
    April 7, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    Well the DNews keeps rejecting my comments as being inappropriate. All I'm trying to say is that to an outsider reading the posts on this article they come across as rude. The basic gist of them is that women in the LDS Church need to understand their role in the Church (or even here on Earth according to some posts). This seems like a very dearly held belief among posters here. To those of us outside the church it just seems like everyone is saying "women need to know their place". And as for me that sounds like a comment from a far distant time when society was less decent not more so.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    April 7, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    @ Brahmabull

    "That is the EXACT same thing that was said about African Americans ever getting the priesthood. How would you know that it isn't in gods plan later down the line? That's right, you don't know"

    Your comparing apples to oranges.

    In the Bible, there were men of other races such as the gentiles that never held the priesthood. Not once through out biblical history have women ever held the priesthood. God designed it that way because He created men and women differently and gave them separate but equal roles.

    Elder Oaks explained that very clearly, I suggest you listen to his talk.

  • Matt9898 Salt lake, UT
    April 7, 2014 9:06 a.m.

    I think it is because these woman and spiritual and believers that they want to participate in the most sacred events of the church. Women want to be recognized as worthy, full fledged members of a church they hold dear, I won't say they do not deserve this simply because of their gender.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    April 7, 2014 8:58 a.m.


    That is the EXACT same thing that was said about African Americans ever getting the priesthood. How would you know that it isn't in gods plan later down the line? That's right, you don't know.

  • goosehuntr Tooele, UT
    April 7, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Along with Elder Oak's talk on Priesthood in this last session, they should also be given the talk on Pride by Pres. Benson. We love these women and want them to stay. But when Church leaders are ignored and your agenda becomes dominant in a spirit of my "my will not thine be done," you are then on shaky ground and you begin to enter the pathway of apostasy, or estrangement from the church. It is impossible to say you love this church, and openly reject the wishes of both the Women and Men leadership in it. More frightening than that, is the deaf ear to doctrine, taught clearly and unmistakably by living prophets. When we feel we know more of Gods will for the church than Gods ordained ministers we are treading on thin ice. I fear that this issue for that little group of women, has transformed itself now into a matter of pure pride... meaning they will leave the church before they humble themselves and repent.

  • MormÓn de SunDevil Nation Mesa, AZ
    April 7, 2014 8:04 a.m.

    Shaking my head here "/
    Elder Oaks made the case so clear.... Kinda like the same thing Kelly & co learned in... Ummm... PRIMARY

  • RCS Orem, UT
    April 7, 2014 5:06 a.m.

    I mean this very sincerely: To the women petitioning for Priesthood (and the men supporting them)--qualify for a Temple recommend and then enter the Temple. Watch to see if in the Endowment there are any Priesthood gifts or blessings, including Priesthood clothing, that are given to the men which are not given to the women. Ask yourself, "What is a Priestess?" The Temple is a house of revelation. You can learn by revelation personally that the fulness of the Priesthood is already available to women as well as men in the Lord's House through faithfulness. To receive these Priesthood blessings is a matter of faith, revelation, sanctification, and obedience.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    April 6, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    Around General Conference las October this group asked the Brethren to consider the issue and bring it to The Lord . They have had 6 months to do just that. I know the issue has weighed on their minds a great deal and has been a subject of many prayers among the First Presidency and the 12 Apostles.

    Although several talks referred to the issue, Elder Oaks talk addressed it head on.
    To Ms Kelley and her followers: That is your answer! The Lord has spoken.

    What you do now will determine if you really do love and believe the Church and sustain the Prophet.

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    April 6, 2014 9:16 p.m.

    Never. Going. To. Happen.

  • MrMas Tucson, AZ
    April 6, 2014 8:59 p.m.


    I take exception to what you are saying, not because I agree with the message of these sisters, but we should be very slow to invite someone to leave the church. How will they ever come to a knowledge of the truth if we invite them to toss the Spirit from their lives?

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    April 6, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    @ 2close2call

    JSF said "IMO she is a narcistic self centered person seeking glory and fame."

    "that is a interesting comment, because I thought the same thing about Elder Oaks when he was addressing women and the priesthood in the priesthood session of conference"

    Elder Oaks devoting his whole life to service and serving the Lord through his calling. Sorry but that doesn't fit the definition of being a narcissist.

    Miss Kelly on the other hand does fit that definition of being a narcissist. Everything she is advocating is based on selfishness. She wants to administer, she wants to bless the sick, she wants........It's all publicity to her.

    This General Conference has been very inspiring and uplifting.

  • Chessermesser West Valley City, UT
    April 6, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    Enough never is enough.

    I hope Sister Kelly has a good long talk with her bishop, after studying Elder Oak's talk.

    I hope she isn't put off by all these comments posted so far, most of which oppose her views. After all, she opened it up to public discussion.

    And hopefully she will have the common sense to obey her Church leaders and don't push this thing like Sonia Johnson. It's not worth the sorrow that follows.

  • Aaron11 KIRKLAND, WA
    April 6, 2014 7:08 p.m.

    25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

    26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord.

    D&C 112:25-26

  • 2close2call Los Angeles, CA
    April 6, 2014 6:52 p.m.

    JSF said "IMO she is a narcistic self centered person seeking glory and fame."

    that is a interesting comment, because I thought the same thing about Elder Oaks when he was addressing women and the priesthood in the priesthood session of conference.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 6, 2014 6:50 p.m.

    re:Happy Liberal

    Perhaps you should contact Kate and tell her your church has openings in its priesthood. Acutally I have the feeling she will be seeking you out in the near future.

  • Aaron11 KIRKLAND, WA
    April 6, 2014 6:45 p.m.

    Do these women actually think that the Church is ran by public opinion, or what is popular? They must have never believed Jesus Christ was at the helm.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 6, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    Something tells me that Kate and her friends wouldn't be content as the second counselor of the elders q. presidency of her ward or even bishop or even stake president or general authority or member of the 12. Perhaps prophet would carry enough prestige? Sadly Kate is caught up in the toxic culter of power and personal gain that flows through many who work in Washington DC and she has lost sight of her faith in the fog of it all. The priesthood is all about service - very humble service where most of the time the left hand is not aware of what the right hand is doing - as it should be in true Christian service. Bishops don't campaign to be Stake Presidents and Stake Presidents don't campaign for the title of general authority. Most bishops I know served faithfully for 5-6 years and were more than happy to return to being a primary teacher or scout leader afterwards. Charity seeketh not her own...is not puffed up... Moroni ch 7. The Savior said "what mattereth it if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul"? Kate ought to be asking herself the same question.

  • Aaron11 KIRKLAND, WA
    April 6, 2014 6:40 p.m.

    There is no way these are sisters. I refuse to believe it!

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    April 6, 2014 6:39 p.m.

    @HappyLiberal - women's voice are heard in the LDS Church.

  • Woodyff Mapleton, UT
    April 6, 2014 6:31 p.m.

    What Ms. Kelly needs to learn is obedience, until then she should be excommunicated.

  • havecharity1234 Phoenix, AZ
    April 6, 2014 6:21 p.m.

    @ricardo calvarho I got my numbers from the Exponent II live twitter feed of the event as they counted heads. I'm not sure where the discrepancy is between the organizers and the media. Maybe they only counted women? There were apparently almost 50% men with the group. Hopefully both sides can come to an honest consensus.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    April 6, 2014 6:20 p.m.

    @ Skye,
    I can tell you don't remember Pres Hinckley's strong warning to men who behave as you describe. Such behavior isn't in keeping with the Gospel or holding the Priesthood. If you are privy to such actions, please report them immediately to the offending person's Priesthood leader who will promptly take actions to stop it. If he doesn't his own standing is in jeopardy.

  • Skye Riversong Shelley, ID
    April 6, 2014 6:05 p.m.

    @Danny Chipman--You're right; it is sad, very sad, that women are not treated as well as men in the LDS church. Man--submit to god; women--submit to your husband. Even if he is high up in the church hierarchy but still comes home, kicks the dog through the hedge, then beats his wife. Women--submit to your husband.
    Women who seek to receive the priesthood, more power to you!

  • Spellman789 Syracuse, UT
    April 6, 2014 5:53 p.m.

    For all of you who think the church will change it's position on this matter of the priesthood are sadly mistaken and are "looking beyond the mark". if you really loved the church as you say you would strive to live by the word of God which from the voice of God or His servants is the same. It seems to me the brethren made it pretty clear at this conference how the priesthood is enjoyed by both men and women in the church but God decided that men would hold the priesthood. It seems that some women in the church got their heads turned by women outside the church that managed to convince other religions to ordain women.

  • Happy Liberal Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 5:41 p.m.

    I am so glad that this is happening and I hope that LDS women do not give up. I belong to a Presbyterian congregation where women are allowed to be pastors and serve the sacrament. Everyone is treated equally and everyone's voices are heard. Everyone in our congregation benefits because of this.

  • Ricardo Carvalho Provo, UT
    April 6, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    @havecharity1234 - I agree with your sentiments but the count provided by the DN seems pretty consistent with the number provided by the SL Tribune.

  • sashabill Morgan Hill, CA
    April 6, 2014 5:31 p.m.

    When people think of a "priesthood," they often think of the Anglican, Catholic, or Eastern Orthodox priesthoods, which men "go into," much like going "into" the military or a career like law or medicine. This makes them members of a small subset of their respective denominations, separating them out from the laity. The LDS priesthood, by contrast, is made up of laymen - being an LDS priesthood holder does not separate one out from the laity. Anybody in the LDS church, man or woman, is my fellow member of the laity.

    I question whether these protesters are more interested in serving God on in pushing a socio-political agenda. If I want agendas being pushed in my face, I'll go back to the Unitarian church.

  • indycrimson Franklin, IN
    April 6, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    It's pretty common practice in today's world to start, and end, your comments supporting one agenda yet fill the middle with something much different.

    Ms. Kelly started and ended her comments with "love for the church" and everything in the middle had to do with love of ones self.

    The church proved in the 1800's that it could withstand external pressure and now it will try to withstand the attack from within!! That Ms. Kelly for helping the church gain strength.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 6, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    I must not have all the christian charity I should have because all these women do is amuse me.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 6, 2014 5:15 p.m.

    "We feel like ordination is the only thing that will bring us to full equality with our brethren in the church,” Kate Kelly, founder of the group Ordain Women, said in an interview with the Deseret News earlier this week"

    I think this statement is very telling about the intent of Ms Kelly and her friends. This is all about Kate - what's in it for me. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is completely opposite from that worldly attitude. Service to others is what The Gospel preached by Jesus Christ was all about 2000+ years ago and remains unchanged today. Recall that Jesus called 12 men to serve as apostles when he was on the earth even though it was Mary that was privilged to be the first to witness his ressurrection. My ways are not your ways - my ways are higher than your ways paraphrasing from the Savior. So many people lose their way by getting stuck in the thick of thin things. Ms Kelly is lost in the politics of her cause - as was Sonia Johnson some 35 years ago and the result will most likely - sadly - be the same.

    Hopefully Kate will listen to Elder Oaks talk.

  • Cosmo1974 Woods Cross, UT
    April 6, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    Never. Going. To. Happen.

  • Willem Los Angeles, CA
    April 6, 2014 4:26 p.m.

    Go Ladies go you are the future Rosa Parks of our great country.

  • Mickey Houston, TX
    April 6, 2014 4:15 p.m.

    My question is why weren't they wearing pants?!

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    April 6, 2014 4:09 p.m.

    A prediction: Within three years they'll be blocking the entrances to the Conference Center and chanting angry protest slogans.

    I've seen all this before: Back in the late '70s and early '80s Mormon feminists and ERA supporters like Sonia Johnson, Mary Jean Ubelgumme and others at first loudly proclaimed their love for the church and their respect for its leaders.

    However, when it became obvious the Church wasn't going to change to suit their agenda, they ended up getting excommunicated and burning their temple garments in public. This will likely end the same way.

  • havecharity1234 Phoenix, AZ
    April 6, 2014 3:34 p.m.

    Also, I believe there is some fact checking that needs to go into this article. There were more than 500 present with the OW movement and they carried proxy cards for over 300 more.

  • havecharity1234 Phoenix, AZ
    April 6, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    My heart hurts reading some of the mean, hurtful comments on this feed. I know there are many who have never felt unequal in the LDS church and do not understand the Ordain Women Movement or even the Mormon Feminist Movement in any way. I appreciate that. I'm glad you have had such a beautiful experience. Please understand there are many who have not. There are many who do not feel equal or safe. It doesn't make them bad. It doesn't make them wrong. The prophet has not called for their excommunication, why are you?

    I hope we all took to heart the words of President Monson today. "May we begin now, this very day, to express love to all of God’s children, whether they be our family members, our friends, mere acquaintances, or total strangers,” he said. “As we arise each morning, let us determine to respond with love and kindness to whatever might come our way.”

    Can we all please respond with LOVE and KINDNESS instead of the cruelty and hostility I am seeing here? Aren't we all brothers and sisters?

  • Backtothebasics Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    They profess their love for the church; however, what about their love for the Lord? I would like to hear their innermost feelings about their one-on-one relationship with God.

  • mhenshaw Leesburg, VA
    April 6, 2014 3:01 p.m.

    >>Those of you who so eagerly criticized, have you considered that these women may be acting impulsed by the will of the Lord? and may be they are the voice that claims in the desert preparing the path to positive things to come?

    That would be contrary to the Lord's manner of revelation for the Church which He has laid out.

    The Lord's house is a house of order. We are entitled to receive revelation to guide us in church operations for which we have responsibility; we're not entitled to revelation concerning anything outside our sphere of responsibility, and only the prophet has responsibility over the entire church. Accordingly, He isn't going to inspire someone to agitate against Church leaders for doctrinal changes. If doctrinal changes are needed, He'll tell the president of the Church. The Lord doesn't need random members to protest on Temple Square to get the job done.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    April 6, 2014 2:38 p.m.


    While I appreciate your belief that he is a prophet, I have a testimony that he is a man giving his opinion.

    For well over a century prophets and apostles gave all sorts of reasons that blacks could not and would not hold the priesthood. Today, if you ask about their teachings as prophets you'll be told that it was clearly not doctrine or revelation, that it was just their opinion.

    I heard that enough times, from official and semi-official sources, that I realized it was all opinion, not revelation.

    LOL, no. Charity is a universal concept. A man explaining how women are so special they must always report to men, and can never hold the highest leadership positions because they are so special and blessed and special and they just need to be happy is mansplaining. It is condescending.

  • BleedsBlue Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 2:34 p.m.

    For me, it comes down to this. Do you believe that your Heavenly Father loves and values you any less than his sons either now or in the hereafter simply because you are female? Do you believe that he has less of a reward in store for you because you are female? I'm sorry, but that is ridiculous. I just don't believe that, I am completely convinced that I have as much value as any of my brothers, priesthood or no priesthood. In saying that only ordination to the priesthood will satisfy you, it seems that you are saying that right now you believe you are less in his eyes and you are demanding to be more.
    Perhaps one day women will be ordained, I don't know. It truly doesn't matter to me. In the meantime, I will not be wasting energy worrying about whether things are "equal" or not because I believe they already are.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    April 6, 2014 1:54 p.m.

    Sadly this reminds me of somebody who had a better idea and all that was required was a minor change in doctrine. It was obvious to him that too many of Heavenly Father's children would not return after this life. Just a minor change is all that was required.

    When he didn't get his way, he protested (rebelled), just like these women on Temple Square.

    It did not end well for the first and it will not end well for those doing the same thing today.

  • Janet Ontario, OR
    April 6, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    What Mormon in her right mind wants to take on more duties, responsibilities, or meetings? I listened to the Priesthood session because my husband had it on TV. I could read the talks again in the Ensign. I don't envy my husband's responsibilities, and he doesn't envy mine. Jesus said, "Take up your cross and follow me." What could a woman do with the "cross" of the Priesthood that she couldn't do anyway?

  • Norman Wright Provo, UT
    April 6, 2014 1:44 p.m.

    I think issues like this often do benefit from an awareness of the grass roots membership of the Church. It is clear to me that the 1978 revelation on the priesthood was the result of external conditions that led President Kimball to seek the mind of the Lord. President Kimball certainly waited on the Lord for many years before receiving the news that it was time for all worthy male members to be able to receive the priesthood. Is it possible that women will one day hold the priesthood? Of course it is as anyone who attends the temple will know. Will it happen in the time frame or the way in which OW participants think? I don't know. Will such movements cause a shift in the Church where women's voices are given greater weight? I think so. Is that good? Elder Ballard certainly thought it was needed 10 years ago in his GC talk. The Lord works in mysterious ways including, I think, a small group of OW. The challenge for many will be if he answers in a way they did not expect. That would hold true both for those supporting OW and for those opposed.

  • Jim Mesa, Az
    April 6, 2014 1:25 p.m.

    The OW movement don't want to be equal, they want to control and counsel those who are ordained to lead. People who feel that the Church is behind the times and needs to change have little understanding of the Lords Church. I would invite those critical of the Church as it pertains to the Priesthood, listen to Elder Oaks talk. Those who demonstrate in Temple Square have no respect for the sacredness of that area, and will have no respect for the Priesthood.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    "I love this Church" - Kelly

    She obviously doesn't love it enough. Sister Kelly, I'm sorry you are so disturbed by this issue. I wish you peace and understanding...

  • Demosthenes Rexburg, ID
    April 6, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    The church has had women "preachers," teachers, and leaders far longer than any other Christian church.

  • Outside-View Federal Way, WA
    April 6, 2014 1:05 p.m.

    Worried about outward appearences of being equal? Sounds like some of these women wouldnt want to defer to or ask any man for anything. It would make them feel "dependant" or "submissive". I wonder when they will adopt the Chatholic practise of praying to Mary, the mother of God or to a Heavenly Mother. No reason to let a Father tell you what to do without a Mothers approval.

    On issues like this, I like a quote from O C Tanner that the Trib printed yesterday. It stated..." But must one believe all or nothing? Must one cut off church participation — the great source of righteousness in one’s life and in the community, because there is some doctrine doubted or disbelieved? Rather, is it not wisdom to begin, not with doubts and faults, but with the simple truths and virtues one can believe, then move on from there to others?

    This would be good for all of us to do.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 12:35 p.m.

    Those were not a reversal of doctrine, but a change in practice. That critical difference is exemplified in many changes in practice over the years.

  • CBAX Provo, UT
    April 6, 2014 12:28 p.m.

    I support these things...

    Because it's fun to read about in the news!

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    April 6, 2014 11:13 a.m.

    What a misguided effort, but not surprising given the state of affairs in the world today.

    This group is achieving its goal - recognition and media coverage. Front page of MSN today reads "Meeting Turns Away Mormon Women". I expect Good Morning America to be next with these women momentarily getting the attention that they appear to so badly crave.

    What comes next,if this group does not listen to counsel of Church leaders, is inevitably loss of church membership. What they are doing, although they justify it otherwise, is clearly apostasy. The Lord's Church is not a democracy with each member getting an equal vote. The Lord determines the rules and gives us the free agency to choose to follow or not.

    What a high price to pay for a few moments in the limelight.

  • rdahl Shelley, ID
    April 6, 2014 10:55 a.m.

    These apostate women need to relinquish their membership to the Church (as they do not believe in it) and form their own religion with whatever beliefs they want. If they truly had a testimony of the Church and in Jesus Christ they would not be doing this. God does not "keep up with the times". People!!! We are still in Biblical times! This is God's Church. You do NOT dictate to God what is right or wrong. If you truly believe, then you follow His teachings. If you don't believe, then you have the right to leave. no one is forcing you to stay in the Church that you do not believe in.
    What's next, infant baptism, sacrificing virgins?

    God is the same yesterday, today, tomorrow. "I am Alpha and Omega" The beginning and the end.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    April 6, 2014 10:32 a.m.

    If you need the priesthood to feel equal, you do not understand Heavenly Fathers plan. When I was on my mission Loren C. Dunn spoke at a mission conference. In encouraging elders to value women, he stated "Elders, remember that you need the priesthood to enter the temple - the sisters do not." How sad to not appreciate the Lord's view that a woman without the priesthood is equal to a man holding the priesthood.

    The fact that they want to protest on temple square strongly suggests that this is more about publicity. Unfortunately we know where this road leads. I used to live in the DC area when Sonia Johnson was battling the ERA. Needless to say, she did not get what she wanted, her family fractured and she ended up on the feminist extreme. I hope the Ordain Women group learns from history.

  • 1 Voice orem, UT
    April 6, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    As for the OW movement. As others have said, when the Lord say no through his prophets and apostles we should refrain from badgering the Lord to change His mind as if we knew better than He. If the church is true, God will speak through His prophets on the matter. he will not change His ways simply because a small group of people protest or the world thinks He is wrong. Sometimes the answer is no.

  • 1 Voice orem, UT
    April 6, 2014 10:12 a.m.

    I don't pretend to know the disposition of God whether he will change the church's policy on the priesthood or not, I am content to allow God to speak through his prophets and apostles on the point as He has promised to do so.

    However, I recognize that what slcman is talking about (reversing teachings and doctrines in the past) is not a good point of comparison. Certainly there are things in the church that we do, not because its based in doctrine but, because its a practical, efficient way to do things. Other times its just tradition or done for other non doctrinal reasons. Many of these things should be considered and changed if appropriate For example, The tradition of who prayed in church was not doctrinal. I am encouraged that the Brethren are considering such practices made a point to change/clarify the policy as needed. this is a good thing.

  • Jack Aurora, CO
    April 6, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    What happened was a Lord's Apostle explained in plain language what the doctrine and desire of the Lord is. The fact that he is man doesn't make it "mansplaining", it is one who has the knowledge explaining it to another. Would the Relief Society President explaining charity and how it never fails be "womansplaining?

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    April 6, 2014 9:56 a.m.

    I'm a little confused. I don't understand how these women who actively and publicly protest against the Church, who do not sustain the Prophet and Apostles, can retain their membership...

  • Britian Seattle, WA
    April 6, 2014 9:54 a.m.

    “We feel like ordination is the only thing that will bring us to full equality with our brethren in the church"...

    The adversary continues to use critics within the church for his own purposes. This movement isn't really about obtaining the priesthood, because ordination wouldn't satisfy those involved.
    This is about the enmity that exists between those who seek to counsel rather than be counseled.

    April 6, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    these women, along with their spouses are on their way to Apostasy!!!!

  • Oh, please! Saint George, UT
    April 6, 2014 9:41 a.m.

    The following three statements (directly copied) are reportedly Kate Kelly's responses to questions as shown on the Student Review website:

    I don’t know how or why the priesthood has not been extended to women. But, I do know that we are ready and willing to receive it. We are a church keenly invested in the concept of restoration—we want to see the church restore women to their rightful place as leaders and priesthood holders.

    I think the moment now is ripe for a full “coming out” process for many Mormon women over the issue of ordination, myself included. A widespread, coordinated, action-oriented movement that is inclusive of all voices has never existed. We at Ordain Women intend to create a space for all to publicly make their honest, respectful calls for ordination from the Relief Society president to the radical.

    The ordination of women would put us on completely equal spiritual footing with our brethren, and nothing less will suffice.
    She's leading others into a precarious position. The last statement is very telling. I would hate to be her bishop right about now!

  • BleedsBlue Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 9:38 a.m.

    The fact that these women feel that they will not be "equal" until they are ordained to the priesthood shows a lack of understanding of the principles of the gospel. You, as a daughter of God, are already equal and eligible to obtain every blessing, condition, etc. that are possible for each of us. If you truly understood the contribution you could make and the profound influence for good you could have on those around you, your considerable efforts and energy could and would be spent in an entirely different direction. Imagine what that $11,000 could have done for the missionary efforts of the Church of which young faithful sisters are an increasingly important part. While I initially felt some sympathy for your wrestle with this question about the priesthood (many people have questions at one point or another) now I am losing patience as I hear about your disregard for a request to stay away from Temple Square with your protest.

  • Pack Layton, Utah
    April 6, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    Why weren't the male supporters at the Priesthood session?

  • Dante Salt Lake City, UT
    April 6, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    I am determined to use the annoying behavior andthe misguided arguments of these women as my opportunity to learn to dismiss negative energy from my daily consciousness and attitudes. I will no longer read or comment on news articles or discussions about them. This is my last statement on the matter, in public or private.

  • DoloresCruz1982 BOULDER, CO
    April 6, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    I think it borders on defamation to claim (as some are doing) that the women are being paid to protest. There is not a shred of evidence that this is the case.

    And for those who claim that the current way things are represents some eternal law, consider this quote: Apostle N. Eldon Tanner once stated, “The Church has no intention of changing its doctrine on the Negro. Throughout the history of the original Christian church, the Negro never held the priesthood. There’s really nothing we can do to change this. It’s a law of God.” Seattle Magazine, Dec. 1967, p. 60

  • Piper Scio, OR
    April 6, 2014 8:36 a.m.

    Oh if all of their energies were channeled into missionary work, humanitarian aid or the other efforts to build the church and help mankind; how much better would the world be? We need them, but we need to remember to be kind to them.

  • FreeMan Heber City, UT
    April 6, 2014 8:33 a.m.

    Let them all be called as Scoutmasters first. That'll solve the problem.

  • ipr Spanish Fork, UT
    April 6, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    @Stormwalker: Elder Oaks was not "mansplaining" the issue. He stood as a prophet and told both men and women how things are in the eyes of the Lord. I love his message. Please read it or listen to it on the internet.

  • Baccus0902 Leesburg, VA
    April 6, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    Pitiful, judgmental and self righteous comments!!!

    It is possible that these women are wrong.... may be! However, they are children of God, endowed with the Holy Spirit as their guide and their right to personal revelation.

    Those of you who so eagerly criticized, have you considered that these women may be acting impulsed by the will of the Lord? and may be they are the voice that claims in the desert preparing the path to positive things to come?

    They are intelligent brave beings who think, question and ask.

    For the rest of us, we have our commandments: Love everybody and don't judge.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    April 6, 2014 8:15 a.m.

    Want to hold the Priesthood? Give your husband a hug.

  • K Mchenry, IL
    April 6, 2014 8:03 a.m.

    You are suggesting the leadership knows something these women and men do not. The role of leadership isn't to protect the status quo. You are suggesting God isn't speaking through those asking to be heard. I'm guessing there will be disagreement for quite some time. I don't understand excommunicating a person for following their agency.

  • dan76 san antonio, TX
    April 6, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    Spanish Fork, UT
    "I am very impressed with Elder Oak's talk in the Priesthood session; it should be required reading for all women. He completely explains the rights of women."

    As I recall he referred to women as an "appendage".

  • Shushannah Kendal, Cumbria
    April 6, 2014 7:42 a.m.

    Ms Kelly needs to go read about Miriam, the sister of Moses, who rebelled against the Prophet... the story is found in Numbers 12:1-15... I believe that she, too, wanted to hold priesthood keys... she was certainly disgruntled with the way Moses was running things... my advice to Ms Kelly is read, weep and repent quickly, before the Lord reminds her exactly who is in charge...

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    April 6, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    You either have a testimony of a living Prophet or not. End of discussion.

  • amagnetick AV, CA
    April 6, 2014 7:17 a.m.

    All I can say about this OW movement is that "they have their reward".

  • common sense in Idaho Pocatello, id
    April 6, 2014 1:53 a.m.

    Kate Kelley - A prophet, seer and revelator has spoken tonight (Elder Oaks). Very carefully, and I do mean very carefully listen to his words. Men and women are equal with different responsibilities.

    The fact that you think you need ordination to the priesthood to feel equal does not make it so.

    The Lord has spoken on the matter.

    You say you love the church. If so abide in its teaching.

    Simply put.

    Take your protest outside temple square. You dishonor the church and the Lord you so profusely say you love by totally ignoring the churches request to take your protest off church property.

  • rzamor1 American Fork, UT
    April 6, 2014 12:57 a.m.

    So glad this post shows that not all the followers of Ordain Women are members of our faith. If you do some research on their blog postings and tweeter feeds you will learn they are a feminist movement that wants all women of all religions to have the priesthood. Kate Kelly is a small cog in a larger wheel. The misguided women of our faith following her don't realize what they are getting sucked into. The wearing of purple started with the Catholic branch demonstrating to get the priesthood. Their leadership is not LDS they don't see or understand prophets, and revelation at all. That is why being told no means nothing to them.

  • dobleancho SYRACUSE, UT
    April 6, 2014 12:55 a.m.

    I believe the Lord when He says regarding His doctrine, “whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same” (Doctrine and Covenants 1:38).

    I believe Him when He says: “seek not to counsel the Lord, but to take counsel from his hand.” To take that further, I am certain “that he counseleth in wisdom, and in justice, and in great mercy, over all his works” (Jacob 4:10).

    I believe that “Satan doth stir up the hearts of the people to contention concerning the points of my doctrine” (D&C 10:63)

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    April 6, 2014 12:08 a.m.

    I am not a member of the LDS Church, but have many friends that are. It seems to me as an outsider, if you have a question or conflict with the Priesthood, you should take this up with the indvidual whose Priesthood it is. By protesting at this conference, you are simply telling everyone that you do not believe that the Priesthood is from God, but rather something that man has made up. Please correct me if I do not understand the finer points of the LDS faith.

  • alaska dude anchorage, AK
    April 6, 2014 12:06 a.m.

    The OW movement discredits women as they obviously do not understand and value the CRUCIAL role women have in todays world, church and family. In their own words. That role is not equal to males' role. How sad to feel that way.

    Ordination for blacks came because it was the right time, not because of pressure from social development. I know many would argue that point but you discredit Who and how this church is ran.

    See Acts 10 and 11. Even Gentiles were denied priesthood and other things, who knows why. God runs the show, not us.

    In the end, stay faithful. Go to church, take the sacrament and take "no" for an answer. When the Ordain Women movement does not produced it's desired outcome do not find yourself outside the church looking in, because then its only you who misses out.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    April 6, 2014 12:03 a.m.

    Quite frankly the OW group sells themselves far short of 99% of LDS women. We men watch in awe as we witness the 99% serve the Savior so selflessly. We watch them minister to their sisters in need with no fanfare, far away from public view. Happily, my dear wife accepts me in spite of my many short-comings.

  • SomeClarityPlease Quiet Neighborhood, UT
    April 5, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    Think about it Oregon Walker. This group is addicted to attention and fighting, unfortunately like a lot of people. They continue to make a scene and want it to keep going on the temple grounds for the cameras. Once inside the conference center, one of their next steps would possibly be to disrupt the meeting. General conference was disrupted back around 1980 by Sonia Johnson's group.

  • LadyDona Wilder, ID
    April 5, 2014 11:13 p.m.

    I find it bothersome that this news outlet insists on using words such as "march" and "protest" in describing the OW action, which I understand from more objective (?) outlets to be a rather peaceful thing. Lots of unkind judgement here^, people. I'm not personally invested in the issue, but it greatly saddens me to see brothers and sisters being so unkind and exclusionary to their own "family."

  • Lily59 Melbourne, 00
    April 5, 2014 10:47 p.m.

    Kate Kelly does not speak for me, nor for the good, faithful Latter-Day Saint women I know. I have a testimony of the Lord's church and the way in which it is administered.

  • cyndi172003 Huntsville, AL
    April 5, 2014 10:32 p.m.

    I don't feel oppressed. I think its dumb that they want it, and are pushing so hard for it. It a lot or responsibility too. Men and women are different for a reason. This whole thing is just sad and embarrassing, but I guess its to be expected in a world that is becoming more liberal and totally abandoning tradition... tradition that actually works as is. PLUS its the way God set forth, and usually that is the best way to go. Am I right?

  • AZKID Mapleton, UT
    April 5, 2014 10:30 p.m.

    Anyone remember Sonia Johnson? She was the radical feminist who did battle with the church (while she was member) back in the 1970s regarding the "Equal Rights Amendment". While the immediate goal here is different, I could see things playing out essentially the same way.

    Ms. Kelly (founder of Ordain Women) needs to go read the Wikipedia article on Ms. Johnson and do some soul searching. She professes to love the church, but does she really want to continue along this path?

  • future president Logan, Utah
    April 5, 2014 10:24 p.m.

    Hannah Wheelwright is a BYU student??? I don't understand how you could be a BYU student and be invlolved in this kind of stuff.............

  • wtkeeney Kansas City, MO
    April 5, 2014 10:13 p.m.

    While I have no problem with sincere questioning, I do take issue with rebellion. If these sisters had respected the direct request to NOT protest on temple grounds, and simply moved it across the street to designated areas, I would have considered that maybe they really ARE just questioning. But when the deliberately do what they were very specifically, yet politely and lovingly asked NOT to do, all I see is rebellion.
    What I keep finding myself asking is,what in the WORLD makes these sisters think that the Lord would want to ordain them, when they keep proving that will NOT follow instruction and counsel and are being deliberately disobedient? If you ask me, they're only proving why *THEY* specifically shouldn't be ordained, even if the Lord DID reveal new policies regarding the ordination of women. If my husband or son were given specific intstruction from the church and they deliberately did the opposite,even calling public ATTENTION to their rebellion, they wouldn't be worthy to hold the priesthood either.

  • oregon_walker Albany, OR
    April 5, 2014 9:52 p.m.

    I am a female church member who lives outside of Utah. I am not a member of Ordain Women. I realize that I am missing out on most of the local media hype, so perhaps I don't see the issue as others, but I fail to see the problem in allowing these women (and men) onto temple square grounds. Why would the church's PR department ask them to go elsewhere? So what if they want to request tickets? (Actually, so what if a few women attended the priesthood session? I don't believe it is some big mystery. It would also take a lot of the air out of this "protest.") It kind of seems like the PR department is making a bit of a mountain out of a molehill.

  • Utexmom Flower Mound, TX
    April 5, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    it's interesting that some of these women who protested are not members of the church. I wonder how many in this group were members, because I personally know not even one woman who feels that she needs to hold the priesthood. It makes me wonder if a large number of these 200 women were non-members. They announced earlier that 500 women were going to march. It seems that they are using numbers to make it look as if a large amount of members are disgruntled about this. Those who are have a basic misunderstanding of how revelation from God guides the Church.

  • missflanflan Riverdale, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:31 p.m.

    While these women stood in the rain agitating for something they don't need, I sat at home with my husband, son, and son-in-law enjoying the Priesthood session of conference and listening to a very well done talk by Elder Oaks about how women already have the blessings of the Priesthood and work in the church with Priesthood authority. I find it very sad that their misunderstanding of the doctrine of the Priesthood may lead them to a point where they find themselves outside of the church and living without the blessings of the Priesthood that are already theirs.

    And, by the way, these women don't speak for all of us. They don't really speak for any of us. I pity them for their willingness to embarrass themselves in this way.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    April 5, 2014 9:20 p.m.

    @ipr: "I am very impressed with Elder Oak's talk in the Priesthood session; it should be required reading for all women. He completely explains the rights of women."

    From Wikipedia- "Mansplaining is...the act of a man speaking to a woman with the assumption that she knows less than he does about the topic being discussed on the basis of her gender... Mansplaining is different from other forms of condescension because mansplaining is rooted in the assumption that, in general, a man is likely to be more knowledgeable than a woman."

    Words fail me.

  • Xbalanque DC, VA
    April 5, 2014 9:15 p.m.

    Elder Oaks declared, “In the eyes of God, whether in the Church or in the family, women and men are equal, with different responsibilities.”

  • che1968 Exton, PA
    April 5, 2014 9:07 p.m.

    I find the reality of the OW movement to be narcissitic in gaining attention to itself and the fundamental lack of knowledge regarding the doctrines of the Church on the part of the subject women in the OW.

  • Sister McGoo Cushing, OK
    April 5, 2014 8:54 p.m.

    As a female member of the LDS church, i personally feel very blessed by our current preisthood organization. we could be like other religions I suppose, where the select few hold the preisthood and the only ones that have it in their homes are the pastors family. That would make me sad though. Our Heavenly Father had seen fit to bless us with having unprecedented acces to the preisthood by having it in our own home. in every home. This is unique to our church, and is is part of what makes us such a wonderful religion. No change needed.

  • Spinedr Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2014 8:50 p.m.

    To all LDS women (and men) protesting: Gain a testimony that the Lord is in charge!

  • Danny Chipman Lehi, UT
    April 5, 2014 8:49 p.m.

    Sad. Just sad.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    April 5, 2014 8:45 p.m.

    If these women don't believe the leaders represent God, -they need to find another church.

  • gmlewis Houston, TX
    April 5, 2014 8:45 p.m.

    Elder Oaks made it very clear tonight that the First Presidency and Quorum of the Twelve can exercise the keys of the priesthood only as the Lord directs. It will do no good to protest for something that the Lord hasn't authorized. Those in the Ordain Women group would better use their time in fasting and prayer to Him whom they worship, rather than build public disapproval of the Lord's church and servants.

  • callowaya beach, ND
    April 5, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    This is sad to me. If they love the church like they say they do, they would follow the prophet. They would have listened when they were asked to go to another spot and not present themselves. Men were made by God to be different from women. Women different from men. Neither sex is superior or inferior, rather they have different rolls in this life and each gender is to support and sustain one another. Revelation has not been given that women should hold the priesthood. If they love the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, they would follow the teachings of the church. If they don't like what is being done in this church and want to make their own rules, equality issues, etc. then maybe they should start their own church and see how far the priesthood would get them then. It's just sad that they want to be apart of this church but don't want to abide by it's teachings. They obviously love the attention they are getting. It is just sad to me that they won't even listen to the prophet. Sad.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    April 5, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    To ask respectfully for someone to consider something is not a problem. When that consideration is given but you aren't happy about the result and then move from asking to insisting, that is a problem. Considering something is quite different than agreeing with and acting. Ladies-- your request has been considered. Now it's time to accept and continue in faith or reject and move on with your life outside the Church. The choice is yours.

  • Furloughed Cedar City, UT
    April 5, 2014 8:25 p.m.

    If you have an issue with the church, you ask God to tell the prophet what to do; you don't ask the prophet to tell God what to do. I most certainty don't need priesthood ordination to feel good about myself. I'm embarrassed to see these women baring their insecurities to the world and calling it "feminism".

  • slcman SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 5, 2014 8:22 p.m.

    I think these women have a good case and will someday prevail. The LDS Church has a history of reversing teachings and doctrines that most members thought were permanent. Happened in the late 19th century and again in the 1970s. It's not unforeseeable that it might happen again.

  • Latter-day Woman Taylorsville, UT
    April 5, 2014 7:54 p.m.

    I think this issue has more to do with faith. Does this group of LDS women not have faith that Jesus is at the head of the LDS Church? Do they not have the faith necessary to follow a living prophet? Do they not have faith in the organization and workings of the church. Do they not have the faith that the women leaders (Relief Society, Young Women and Primary) have input with the brethren at the head of Christ's church. We as women of the LDS Church have more power, voice and influence than our counterparts IF we will work together in the work of the Lord. We also can do more damage, stuff-up ears, and hinder the work when we are battling against ourselves. Sisters of the LDS church, it is time to look in the mirror and see where we stand and with whom we stand with. A small group of disgruntled women, or the living prophet of God.

  • Tahoemormon1970 North Salt Lake, UT
    April 5, 2014 7:45 p.m.

    How is this for a rebuke towards the apostate group of women clamoring to get a peek into the priesthood session. What would you all say if we men tried getting into the General Women's Meeting? You would all scream at your super-soprano best and stomp your pretty feet until your high-heeled shoes break until every last male who isn't a part of the Church's First Presidency is chased out of the meeting. It would be like a man trying to work out at Curves. You of the 200+ women trying to get into the priesthood meeting should make sure that there aren't any of your bishops and stake presidents watching you or you could face a church disciplinary court for your apostate conduct. And you men who are found amongst the female group can be held accountable for such actions as well. I am just doing what is said in the Doctrine and Covenants where it says that 'those who are warned are to warn his neighbor'.

  • Utahkoke South Jordan, UT
    April 5, 2014 7:13 p.m.

    "“We feel like ordination is the only thing that will bring us to full equality with our brethren in the church"...

    Sadly sister, Priesthood is not about "full equality", it is about our duty in life to God and our families, the ONLY person who will dictate what to do or not, how and when is GOD.

    IF we really consider that we are members of the true church and we believe that is guided by Jesus himself, we should not question him or God about it. Sometimes could be challenging to do something after questioning why or how, WE need to work on that.

    Jesus himself is at the head of this church, we are not, if we keep our promises and we follow him, He will bless our lives on what we really need.

    Enjoy the conference!

  • AConcernedCitizen Highland, UT
    April 5, 2014 7:07 p.m.

    Thank you, Elder Oaks, for a fantastic talk addressing the value and importance of women. I hope these women paid heed to his counsel, along with all other members of the church.

  • ipr Spanish Fork, UT
    April 5, 2014 6:43 p.m.

    I am very impressed with Elder Oak's talk in the Priesthood session; it should be required reading for all women. He completely explains the rights of women.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    April 5, 2014 6:39 p.m.

    They must not have been listening to the talks today. They were pretty clear that the Lord isn't concerned with keeping up with the times.

  • CynicJim Taylorsville, UT
    April 5, 2014 6:27 p.m.

    These women need to reread the scriptures re Korah and his minions in Numbers 16, where they claimed that by virtue of their lineage they too had right to the High Priesthood. Moses told them they erred and tomorrow to bring their censors to the tabernacle and offer their sacrifice. They did, The Lord was unhappy with the assumption and opened the Earth and were swallowed some two hundred fifty. Their friends also suffered with their death to the tune of more than 20,000, tents, livestock, families etal.
    I should think these sisters and their male supporters think thru way The Lord operates his church, not at the behest of protestors or rebels, but the way He wants it run. Don't be found kicking against the thorns.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    April 5, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    This is such a non issue.

    Like the vast majority of LDS women, I follow the Prophet of God and have no need to demonstrate or beg to be ordained.

    As a woman I have no shame or insecurity about my role in the Church or my value in God's eyes. I know I am equal to men and have no need to be ordained in order to feel valuable.

  • David Mohr Victoria/BC/Canada, 00
    April 5, 2014 6:02 p.m.

    It is sad that there are sisters that do not realize that they are half of a whole and the way to being whole (or having equality to a man) is temple marriage not ordination.The search for 'equality' has taken much from men while supposedly giving women more. Men lost their male-only gyms for example while women retained their female-only gyms. My first question to the Ordain Women people is - have you asked of God? Then it would be - if you received revelation that women should be ordained then why has not the Prophet? When the Prophet lets us know that God has let him know that women are to be ordained, then and only then will I give my full-hearted support to the ordination of women. I pray that these sisters realize that the ways of the world are not the ways of God and that when we decided to dictate to God then we stand to lose our eternal exaltation.

  • fourfunsons Calgary, 00
    April 5, 2014 5:57 p.m.

    It would be interesting to learn how many were paid in some way to protest and to spoil the sacredness of Temple Square. Excommunicate those who are LDS women. They want to bring down the Church, change the Church, tell God how outdated He and His ideas are, as if they know something He doesn't??? "Counsel not thy God."