Topic of the day: Paul Ryan's budget and the Republican strategy

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  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 5, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Conservative always try to rewrite history.
    The House of Representative, controlled by the GOP passed the tax increase legislation two years ago. That's a fact.
    Not one Republican voted for the tax increases in Clintons first year of office which enabled his budget several years later to be balanced.
    Conservatives need to stop taking all their facts from Rush and Hannity. They don't report news they create it.

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    April 4, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    FT - The GOP was not in control of congress during the last budget, nor at any time since Obama took office, at least not until 2015. Nice try at blaming the republicans for the democrat tax increases (plural!)

    FT - The last balanced budget was created by republicans in congress led by Newt Gingrich. Democrat president Clinton was smart enough to sign it, (although he wasn't smart enough what he shouldn't do in the Oval Office with young interns). The current president isn't as smart as President Clinton. Kinda makes ya wonder...

    FT - How many lies from Obama are you willing to endure, and how many are you willing to perpetuate for him?

    Mountanman - $17.3 Trillion is not enough. We are up to $17.6 Trillion (to 3 significant digits)

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 4, 2014 8:22 a.m.

    Yes, BO got a tax increase just a few years ago and your GOP was in control of Congress. Also, RYan's budget does not repeal those tax increases or the taxes that were created to fund Obamacare. Seems your GOP friends love to spend the taxes the Democrats create on their rich friends and not return them to the people. Now that's hypocrocisy.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 3, 2014 4:50 p.m.

    Ryan's plan? Steal from the middle and lower classes and give to the rich.

    The GOP's strategy? Block anything Obama proposes even if they're republican ideas.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2014 3:55 p.m.

    To many Obamaites are riding in the wagon instead of pulling the wagon. Any Budget that strips the strategy of BIG GOVT is a budget real Americans will vote for!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 3, 2014 3:45 p.m.

    Strategy? Their only strategy is to attempt to block anything the President has proposed.
    They offer no solutions. Their solution to the conservative plan, known as the ACA, is to let people declare bankruptcy over having medical insurance.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 3, 2014 3:43 p.m.

    Ft. When have liberals ever come up with a budget that was balanced? And you already got a huge tax increase not including Obamcare (according to SCOTUS it is a tax).

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 3, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    Liberals have come up with the last budget that was balanced. And they can do it again but it would include raising taxes, and freezing military spending. Neither of those proposals will go very far. So that's where we sit, playing our fiddle while Rome burns. Both parties need to give in or we'll all be out in the cold.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2014 1:00 p.m.

    @Anti Government
    "Republicans have dug their heels in because any and all new revenue increases are immediately spent on new/increased spending/social/entitlement programs."

    Compared to trillion dollar deficits the first few years of Obama's administration we're looking at a deficit of around 650-700 billion this year, so something's reducing the deficit.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 3, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    Social Security is also contributing to the budget and deficit problems. Social security is a nice program...unless the demographic numbers begin to reverse. This is the case in the US as baby boomers retire in great numbers monthly, drawing upon Social Security. The existing workforce contributions to SS are not sufficient. Adjustments must be made to the program to ensure its solvency and availability for future generations. Unfortunately, Democrats and Republicans use SS to punish their opponents. If a politician makes an honest attempt to adjust SS, they are attacked and lose elections.

    Americans must educate themselves and rise above their own self-interests. Taxes, unemployment benefits, SS, Medicare, Obamacare, food stamps, farm subsidies, energy subsidies, defense...all must be modified, adjusted, reformed, or eliminated. The goal is to achieve a balanced budget and over time pay down the national debt. I am frustrated at Democrats who refuse to acknowledge and act on the spending problems in DC, and I am frustrated at Republicans who do the same thing. But to be honest, Republicans are making a greater effort here.

  • Shaun Sandy, UT
    April 3, 2014 12:40 p.m.

    I do not know why people confuse their personal finances, micro economics, with what the government deals with which is macro economics. They are totally different, and solutions that work for micro will not work with macro or vise verse.

    Our monetary system is solely based on debt and the only way a debt based monetary system can work is if it is constantly expanded. The government and the public at large can not pay off more debt than it creates. Otherwise we have recessions and depressions.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    April 3, 2014 12:33 p.m.

    the middle class is dieing. the rich bought more vaction homes than any time in history. another high court will not let even more money be donated to people running. and anyone worries about his budget. class war has been going on sine regan. and the upper class is winnig and will soon make america a 2 class country them and the new formed underclass.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    April 3, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    Every time someone comes up with a budget plan that actually balances the budget, the liberals including Obama have a mocking party! What's the matter, isn't $17.3 trillion enough debt for you? Not to worry, by the time Obama leaves office (if he ever does) the national debt will be over to $20 trillion! Our grandchildren won't mind us spending their future will they?

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 3, 2014 11:37 a.m.

    "it focuses on the problem, ever growing entitlement & welfare programs that are overwhelming the federal budget."

    No matter how you slice it, this problem is cause mostly by healthcare costs. You can call medicare and entitlement. And medicaid most certainly is by most definitions.

    But, SS and Medicare are the budget problem going forward. Go the the Heritage foundation website and even they will detail that out for you.

    People carp about the skytocketing deficit under Obama. Fair enough, because it is. But, again, look at the Heritage foundation website. It lays out the cause of the problem.

    It is increased MANDATORY Spending and reduced revenues. If those 2 numbers were the same as under Bush, the deficits would be identical to Bushs.

    Soc Sec is a fairly aasy to fix, but the dems dont want benefit reductions and the GOP wont raise revenues to fix it. = stalemate.

    That leaves Medicare. We either have to cut costs, raise taxes, or reduce benefits. I doubt the Ryan Budget does any of those things, and the old man base of the GOP would not stand for it.

    Lastly, our defense budget is inflated. Look at the Abrams tank issue for confirmation.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    April 3, 2014 11:31 a.m.

    A step in the right direction. My taxes have gone up again this year. I am not a dirty wall street banker/trader that is flying around in my own jet. I am a small business owner who has sacrificed and worked hard. I have invested my money and put my own neck on the line to succeed. Now that I am successful, the government comes in and one quarter of my business, sacrifice, investment, time, and money go to the government. More people need to pay taxes. I am considered rich and I am already paying far more than my fair share.

  • David Centerville, UT
    April 3, 2014 11:15 a.m.

    I have not read where Ryan's budget proposal recommends cutting taxes for the rich. Rather, it focuses on the problem, ever growing entitlement & welfare programs that are overwhelming the federal budget. Do liberals realize or even care that the day will arrive when interest payments on our debt and entitlement/welfare spending will require nearly 100% of the Treasury annual tax/cash flow? How will we balance the needs of our country for transportation, education, defense, scientific investments, the arts and a myriad other priorities when nearly everything is going towards interest on debt and welfare?

    Honest people will recognize the problem, make tough decisions that aren't necessarily popular, and correct our dire course.

    Democrats, on the other hand, will largely ignore the problems, continue to try to buy elections via campaign promises, and continue the path we are on that looks like Stockton, CA, Detroit, and other cities that have gone bankrupt.

  • Anti Government Alpine, UT
    April 3, 2014 10:55 a.m.


    Well it really is hard to cut taxes on anyone else but the "wealthy" since 49% of taxpayers pay no federal income tax or better yet get credits/refunds!!!!

    You do realize that the budget is mostly just reducing the rate of spending from over 5% to around 3% and there really are no legitimate "cuts" right?

    Do you get to increase spending at your house 5% every year regardless of income increases?

    The reality is that both parties have caused the spending/debt crisis we now face.

    Republicans have dug their heels in because any and all new revenue increases are immediately spent on new/increased spending/social/entitlement programs. Democrats don't want any cuts because that is how they "buy" their votes to win elections.

    The other reality is the gap between rich and poor has widened under obama. Poverty has increased. These are facts.

    Democrats have been lied to and they are are too foolish to realize they will eventually be nothing but poor people who are manipulated for political purposes. Obama says one thing to get votes and then does the opposite.

    All politicians need to be voted out every term.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    April 3, 2014 10:43 a.m.

    The GOP just keeps talking,fighting and listening with itself. This budget will be used against them this Fall and Democrats will make hay with it.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    April 3, 2014 10:35 a.m.

    The Ryan budget is an abomination. It also represents a mainstream Republican consensus.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 3, 2014 10:23 a.m.

    Republican strategy? More like Republican tragedy - for America.

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    What a waste of time Paul Ryan's budget is.

    Paul Ryan's budget smells a lot like the same-old, same-old budgets; namely, SPEND a lot, then "save" money in 10 yrs. Interestingly, the "save" NEVER happens.

    IF Republicans really want to be serious, tell us how the government budget can be reduced, (and fight for that, alone)after they've saved us 15-20% (in REAL savings)tell us what we need/can do taxwise to help our country.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    April 3, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    "Sargent wonders if the budget might backfire, playing into the perception that Republicans are not concerned with the well-being of low-income Americans."

    Perception? There's nothing to question in this document and blue print. You only have to observe. Rather than trying to find ways to sustain social welfare programs at current levels of participation the budget simply seeks to reduce participation with cuts and privatization. No hidden message there.

    Increase military spending while cutting social programs, no hidden message there.

    Protect the wealthy (those making over 100K) from further taxes that could sustain some of the social welfare programs, no hidden message there.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    April 3, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    It is fairly clear that the money in this country is steadily collecting at the top.
    It is also questionable that "trickle down economics" actually works. (unless taxes are over 70%)

    I do agree that we have a spending problem in this country as well as a demographic problem.

    We have 3 big spending buckets. Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, and Defense.
    Rising health care costs coupled with the baby boomers hitting retirement age has to be addressed.

    But, in typical Republican fashion, shared sacrifice means cutting taxes for the rich, expanding defense spending and cutting services which affect the poor and middle class.

    The only thing "shared" in Ryans budget, is that the wealthy's share of the wealth increases while the poor and middle class share the pain.

    Someone, anyone? Are there any negative impacts of Ryans Budget on the top 10%? Because the affect on the rest of the 90% is evident.