Two for Flinching:"ND obviously has a seat at the table. The
rest of the indy crowd (BYU, NMSU, Idaho, Navy, and Army) shouldn't be so
sure."Actually, the all the cadets and midshipmen at our service
academies have been receiving a stipend all along. All academy kids are paid
half the base pay of a 2nd-Lieutenant/Ensign. The academies will be fine.
However those other independent schools....perhaps not so much.
Max-was-right:"all team that havent played in a bowl game the
last two years will be booted from the big 5 and replaced with indy teams that
always play in bowl games."Is that what you think will happen?
Haha! What a frantic and emotional fantasy you've invented for yourself
Mormon Ute:Only time will tell, but if they're left out it won't
be because of any of these stipulations the power conference teams are making or
because of money. As I said, I don't know what BYU will do, or what
decisions they will make but none of the guidelines being established or desired
for power conference teams at this time would hold them back.Sunday
play may hold them back, research status, private religious institution,
etc...these all may hold them back in the end, but none of the issues being
discussed now would keep them out. That's all I'm saying.
So, if college athletes are going to be more like employees and college sports
is more like minor leagues for the pros, do the universities do away with
enrollment requirements?Cougsndawgs,ND already has
joined the major conferences with it's membership in the ACC. That gives
them a seat at the table. Unless BYU moves to one of the power conferences, the
Cougs will be on the outside looking in.
I've said this before but it bears repeating: ND and BYU aren't going
to be influenced by money like many other programs. They have money and
financial backing from the institutions they represent. In BYUs case they have
the backing of the LDS church. That isn't tithing. What people fail to
realize is that the LDS church's income isn't solely based on tithes
and offerings, they have many business holdings and investments that make a
great deal of money. They can use this non-tithing money as they see fit and
have done so...again the facilities they have (which rival and sometimes exceed
many power conference programs) certainly didn't come from the MWC or even
wealthy boosters. This is why BYU admins and athletic officials aren't
worried about where CFB is going and where BYU stands...there isn't a
single stipulation desired by the power conferences that they, or ND can't
meet. Lets face it, most of the demands are about the bottom line...financial.
Now whether BYU decides to spend that money and go along is another story, but
their ability to do so isn't in question.
twoferWhat makes you think you have any insight into what the end
game will look like IF colleges decide to start paying players?
Two for:I'm speaking specifically to the points being addressed by
the power conferences. There isn't a single desire expressed by them that
ND or BYU can not meet. Navy/Army are at the mercy of the military/government as
to what they will do, however Navy is set to join the American next year so who
knows. The other Indies you referenced weren't Indy by choice like ND, BYU,
Army, and Navy. They are Indy because they have no choice. BYU and ND are two of
the small percentage of schools that are in the black and very happy with their
current exposure and circumstances. Will BYU be included and be willing to go
along? I don't know, but they certainly have the means to do so...they
didn't build the facilities they have and a state of the art broadcast
center w/ HD truck on MWC money. That was my argument. Chris shouldn't
assume that Indy schools that CHOSE to be Indy are automatically going to be
@ CougsndawgsND obviously has a seat at the table. The rest of the
indy crowd (BYU, NMSU, Idaho, Navy, and Army) shouldn't be so sure.
Chris:Ya right, Indy teams won't be a part of it. Explain to us
exactly why you think this. ND will have no problem paying athletes and being a
part of any new guidelines. BYU makes plenty of money (one of only a few schools
in the black for athletic budgets) to pay athletes a stipend and participate in
these guidelines as well. You're hatred of BYU won't keep them out,
and ND can do what they want because people do care about them. The only
delusion is that people nationwide care one wit about U.
I wonder if non-athletes will object to their student fees being jacked so
Utah's underwater basket weaving team can be paid?
There go all those pretty toys - expanded stadium, remodeled Huntsman, new
basketball training facility - to help them become competitive with the big
boys.Utah's role as perennial punching bag for the big boys of
the PAC 12 will be permanently etched in stone.
all team that havent played in a bowl game the last two years will be booted
from the big 5 and replaced with indy teams that always play in bowl games.
Truly, if athletes win out and they must be paid, then all of the athletes will
have to be paid. it won't be the universities decision on whether to pay
them, they will have to pay all athletes, men and women, in all sports, period.
Now, how much they pay them will in part be determined by the specific
universities, if any choose to do this. As employees, the school will have
provide health insurance and will have to pay employee tax to the IRS for each
athlete/employee. Most schools either cannot afford to this or won't. For
instance, if the athletes win out in this, I see byu dropping all
sports...period. And I think they would be right. College sports will no longer
be college but professional. It is a sad day and they are not moving in a good
direction at all, but approaching their end.
" . . . pay kids if we want." I think U mean pay the kids if they want.
"We" means you are one of the decision makers, which U are not.This issue is more complicated than what meets the eye. Title IX may
require female athletes to be paid if male athletes are paid. And do we also
pay for basketball athletes? How about track and field, baseball, gymnastics or
swimming? Football and men's basketball are the only teams
that are self funded at most universities. So then, as a tax payer, you are
asking me to pay more money so that we can pay collegiate athletes who represent
the university on the swimming team?This is not an issue of Div 1 vs
Div 2. It's not an issue of smaller conferences versus "in"
conferences, although I know U are so proud of your "membership".
It's an issue of equality and finances.
We are heading towards this:Division 1 - Pac 12, SEC, Big
12(with only 10 teams because no one left they want to add), Big 10, and ACCThese schools will pay kids if we want, we'll determine the format of
college football playoffs, etc.. The gap between these schools and others will
grow even greater as these schools will have the money to be able to entice kids
once they start being paid and the other schools wont be able to. Sorry, thats
just the truth. Only these schools will have access to the national title and
all of the major bowls. Division 2 - remaining smaller
conferences and indy teamsWhat they do is up to them. No one cares.
"That committee is overseeing the autonomy discussion among those five
conferences Big 12, Pac-12, SEC, ACC and Big Ten"I like the way
college sports are heading.Soon, the five big time conferences will
be what we can consider division 1. They will control even more than they
currently do and anyone who isn't part of the 5 conferences will be
division 2 programs. All national tournaments and championships will be
comprised of only power conference teams.Smaller schools who
aren't part of the power 5 will schedule their own tournaments if they
want.Its becoming clear teams are either "in" or
"out" as far as the future of college sports.And Utah is in,
just in the nick of time.Go UTES