BYU basketball: Thanks to influx of talent, BYU coach Dave Rose says Cougars will be better next season

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  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    April 3, 2014 10:33 a.m.


    99 participants have never won a single game (0%) in the NCAA tournament.

    Most logical fans would agree that at least 99 teams have a worse record in the Big Dance than BYU (33%).

    The truth is BYU has a better winning percentage in the NCAA tournament than 156 of the 310 teams that have played in the tournament, in other words, upper half of all teams that have ever played in the tournament.

    BYU is 39th on the list of most games played in the tournament.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 3, 2014 9:18 a.m.


    This article was written and the quotes from Dave Rose were made the day before Carlino announced that he was transferring.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    April 3, 2014 9:15 a.m.


    You're right, Utah is one-and-done for the entire Dave Rose era; it won't be one-and-done for the decade until next season.

    Running score during the Dave Rose era:

    BYU 4-7 in the NCAA; 3-2 in the NIT; 7-9 overall in post-season play
    Utah 0-1 in the NCAA; 0-1 in the NIT; 0-2 overall in post-season play

    BYU 12 Utah 4

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    April 3, 2014 8:51 a.m.


    "But when a program leads the nation in worst tournament performance..."

    Worst tournament performance is certainly not most tournaments without a Final Four appearance, but fewest wins in the tournament, which would probably tie dozens of winless teams for worst tournament performance.

    At what point does making the Final Four really become a significant accomplishment? If there are only 8 teams in the tournament and you only win one game, is that really any better than losing in the Round of 32 today?

    Bottom line: BYU has played in 29 NCAA tournaments, which certainly places BYU high on the list of all-time NCAA tournament appearances.

    It's interesting that you're trying to minimize BYU's recent success in the tournament.

    During the Dave Rose era, BYU is 4-7 in the Big Dance. During the same period, Utah is 0-1.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    April 2, 2014 5:18 p.m.

    BYU lost at least 4-5 games this year from the line. Seems like a pretty easy fix IMHO. And a lot easier than depending on better defensive play. A 69% team free throw percentage is unacceptable.

  • cougar76 Raleigh, NC
    April 2, 2014 6:52 a.m.

    Having read the article and all the comments, there is only one person talking about 1984. As usual, it is a ute that can't get past that empty NC trophy case on the hill. As for next year, BYU needs a point guard who can distribute the ball and make free throws. Since he won't be able to do much else, Collinsworth needs to spend his rehab time shooting free throws. A point guard who can pass, go to the basket and make free throws during crunch time would be

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    April 1, 2014 6:47 p.m.

    I love Rose, but he's wrong... Carlino's absence will be glaring and BYU's record will be worse...

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    April 1, 2014 5:14 p.m.

    The only thing I am worried about is not having a definite point guard. All of our guards are combo guards. Hopefully we will overcome this.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 1, 2014 5:13 p.m.

    I'm a life long Utah fan but there is no question BYU has been the better program during Rose's tenure. I think Rose is a very solid coach who has done an very good job. If I were a betting person on the future of Utah's program vs. BYU's program, a strong argument could be made that the Ute's future looks very bright with significant improvement this year over last (road record is a huge problem and strength of out of conference schedule must be improved) and a top tier recruiting class on the way and only one Sr leaving who hardly played. Coach K has the Utes moving in the right direction and I like the Ute's future. With the just announced departure of Carlino from BYU, the Cougs future just improved. He shot BYU out of more games than he helped. Addition by subtraction.

    I love to see all the local teams getting to the big dance and making some noise!

    Go Utes!

  • starthillnotnelson Kamas/United States, UT
    April 1, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    It is comforting to know that we have this depth for next year. My prediction for next years starting lineup.
    PG Collinsworth
    SG Bartley
    SF Haws
    PF Ryan Andrus
    C Austin
    Winder off of the bench first. Fischer, Chatman, and Halford will step up this next year. One year of experience for Worthington will help. Sharp will be passed up by Aytes, who I believe is similar to Kaufusi. Neilson will be a Nate Austin off of the bench.
    Although Matty is gone, I believe our depth will help us to succeed.

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    April 1, 2014 4:52 p.m.

    Chris B:

    Let's let the facts speak for themselves while actually staying within the current century.

    BYU has gone to an NCAA tournament 7 of the last 8 years (Rose's tenure), including a Sweet-16 appearance.
    Utah has gone to an NCAA tournament once in the past 8 years, and as a #5 seed that got upset by a #12 seed in the first round.

    BYU went to the NIT in the only year they didn't go to the NCAA tournament. They made it to the tournament semi-finals game in Madison Square Garden.
    Utah went to the NIT once over the same period, going winless.

    BYU has beaten Utah 80% of the time over the past decade.

    All things considered, BYU fans truly have more to brag about than Utah fans since Rose became BYU's head coach 8 years ago.

  • TwinsGuy Savage, MN
    April 1, 2014 4:40 p.m.

    From a source who knows, there's a very good chance that Chatman will redshirt next year in order to get in playing shape. Like Rose said, the 14 player/13 schollie situation will work itself out.

  • Stop The Nonsense El Paso, TX
    April 1, 2014 3:40 p.m.

    What needs improvement for next year:
    1. FT shooting (this is the easiest area to improve, and the most direct route to more points)
    2. Defense, especially guarding the 3
    3. Low post scoring on offense (c'mon, Pope, teach these big men some low post moves)
    4. 3 pt shooting (it was downright ugly this year)

  • Cedar Jim CEDAR CITY, UT
    April 1, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    They should be very good next year with the new arrivals.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 1, 2014 2:25 p.m.

    Defense needs major upgrading.
    Defending against the 3 needs implementation.
    Free throws were an adventure; that is addressable.
    Offense in the post would be a bonus.

    The scholarship thing should fix itself. If you can afford to live in Lone Peak land, you can afford $5500/yr books and tuition. Someone man up and ask dad for a loan. Take one for the team.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:52 p.m.

    @ Christopher:

    1984 is considered "just history" since most of the fans commenting here online were born by then.
    But 1944 qualifies as "ancient history" since almost none of the online readers were even born back then.

    Have you even thought about what an actual "flip-flop, flip-flop" it truly is for you to make fun of BYU fans for referring to 1984 just a few months ago (in football), and now you are actually going almost twice that far back to reference data?

    So to now accuse BYU fans of flip-flopping is actually very hypocritical. Think about it. You should be embarrassed.

    People living in red glass houses shouldn't throw stones... or even smaller rocks, since they often get thrown back. Red glass is known to shatter much easier than clear (unbiased) glass.

    One thing is indisputable. When not needing to reference info from history books (that is, referring to the games most of us have actually seen), BYU has mostly dominated Utah (over the past decade or so).

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:22 p.m.

    @ Chris and Ken;

    You two would be comical if not so actually clueless when it comes to college basketball. Please do some research and tell us how many teams (out of the current 351 NCAA college basketball teams) have made it to the NCAA tournament 7 of the last 8 years?
    Hint: BYU is in a very select and enviable group. Even your hidden envy is poking through.

    BTW: Utah has been to that tournament a grand total of once during that same period. Statistically, BYU is doing 700% better than Utah since Rose became BYU's head coach... using the NCAA tournament as a benchmark.

    The comical part is that you two have to go back to before WWII to find a way to compare favorably with BYU, when the Utes got to the Final Four in 1944 by winning just 3 games and with only a third as many NCAA basketball teams playing as compared to today.

    You ridiculed BYU fans for referring to 1984 during the football season. Now you two are going back another 40 years beyond that. Can you say hypocritical?

    Using even semi-recent history, BYU truly dominates.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:21 p.m.


    At least use accurate facts. Utah went to the sweet 16 in 2005 which is hardly "one and done".

    I would highly recommend that you don't try to go into NCAA tournament stats when comparing the two programs. BYU has been a decent team but don't kid yourself about the success they have had in the NCAA tournament, especially when trying to compare it to Utah's.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:15 p.m.

    Get well KC and please practice on your Free Throw daily. Let your brother Chris being the ball to you while your doing FT! Good luck.

  • Christopher B Ogden, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:07 p.m.


    You don't care much for ancient history?

    You do mean except for the year 1984 of course right?

    LOL to byu fans who think ancient history in football matters but in basketball it doesnt'

    flip, flop, flip, flop

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 1, 2014 12:52 p.m.

    @Ken - "It isn't that a one and done is the worst thing, it's just not impressive. But when a program leads the nation in worst tournament performance(most dances without a final four) that is pretty much the worst thing."

    I don't care much for ancient history. The worst thing would be to root for a team that was so poor they didn't get invited to the dance for nine of the last ten years. That's not impressive.

    Here's my forecast for the next few years.

    2014-2015 - Better than previous year. NCAA likely.
    2015-2016 - Worse than previous year. NIT likely.
    2016-2017 - Much better than previous year. Advancing in NCAA probable.
    2017-2018 - Much better than previous year. Advancing in NCAA to Sweet 16 likely.
    2018-2019 - Better than previous year. Advancing in NCAA to Elite 8 or higher likely.

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    April 1, 2014 12:23 p.m.

    If KC can work on his outside/free throw shooting during rehab (should be plenty of time to do this and nothing else), and perimeter shooting improves with Fischer, Chatman and returning guys, I see a better record next year. But Mika will be tough to replace, so next year we'll likely resemble a lot of the 3-point shooting teams we faced in the WCC. Hopefully Aytes and Nielsen/Andrus can help us in the paint.

    Austin: Go get your outside jumper working again, and develop some low-post moves! We need more than just rebounding and hustle plays from you....

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    April 1, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    We are easily way better even though we don't go to the NCAA tournament very much like byu does.

    Go Utes!

  • That BT Hacker Lindon, UT
    April 1, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    "The Cougars will add transfers Chase Fischer (Wake Forest) and Jamal Aytes (UNLV); returned LDS missionaries Isaac Neilson and Jordan Chatman; and freshman Ryan Andrus (American Fork High)."

    How many of these guys were actually with the team this year? I think Chase, Jamal and Isaac were all with the team and practiced at least part of this year. Jordan is the only true RM.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    April 1, 2014 11:22 a.m.

    Defense, defense, defense. Without it, the influx of new players won't make a difference.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 1, 2014 10:09 a.m.

    We could easily be way better.

  • Reasonable thinker PAC Country, CA
    April 1, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0,
    I have not seen any bragging about BYU's appearance just fact are being presented. The only thing I see is immature, jealous ute fans coming on to BYU and tearing them down.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    April 1, 2014 9:40 a.m.

    "...That group will bolster an experienced nucleus — WCC Player of the Year Tyler Haws; guards Kyle Collinsworth, Matt Carlino, Anson Winder, Skyler Halford and Frank Bartley IV; and forwards Nate Austin, Luke Worthington and Josh Sharp.

    With no seniors graduating, the Cougars lose just one player, forward Eric Mika, who departs for an LDS mission in May.

    That leaves BYU with 14 players on the roster and just 13 scholarships available...".

    With the Cougars being guard heavy, it looks like Halford might be the odd man out.

    The Cougars need someone (or 2 or even a committee would do) to fill up the Mika minutes.

    Hope Collingsworth rehab goes well.

    Coach Rose and staff have done and will continue to do an excellent job.

    I always root for the Cougar players... except when their playing the Utes...of course.

  • 2013 Ute Seniors SWEEP byU 4-0 Ogden, UT
    April 1, 2014 9:19 a.m.

    bluecoug - 4 final 4 appearances is our history is better than anything byu has to show.

    Byu has been to a single sweet 16(and no farther) in 30 years, and byu fans think that is something to brag about?


  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    April 1, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    How was that one and done in the NIT against a team from the lowly WCC in a high school gym that the MUSS could not fill up? BYU and Gonzaga were both sell outs in that gym, guess Utah was of no interest to St. Mary's fans!!! Good luck next year when Utah plays in the MC!!!

    Go Cougs!!! Rise Up!!!

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    April 1, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    I fully expect BYU to be better. The teams needs to toughen up mentally and take the conference more seriously. I do think the future is bright.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    April 1, 2014 8:08 a.m.


    Poor jealous BYU hater.

    Being one-and-done for 2014 is certainly MUCH better than being one-and-done FOR THE ENTIRE DECADE.

    Both of BYU's basketball programs, men's and women's, have been to the Sweet Sixteen since the last time the Utes even won a single game in the Big Dance.

    btw, BYU has won more games in the NCAA tournament than many of those 86 Final Four teams. Let's not forget that in 1944, Utah only had to win ONE game, to get to the Final Four. In 1980, BYU's Elite Eight team won as many games (3) as Utah's 1944 NCAA championship team.

  • OC Fan Orange County, CA
    March 31, 2014 11:43 p.m.

    To improve, the 2014-2015 team needs to add a solid offensive and defensive post player, another consistent outside shooter, and better free throwing.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 31, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    It isn't that a one and done is the worst thing, it's just not impressive. But when a program leads the nation in worst tournament performance(most dances without a final four) that is pretty much the worst thing. 86 teams have made it to the final four at least once. Byu is not among those 86

    March 31, 2014 10:16 p.m.

    intrinsicrewards, that's a nice story, sounds like a tough kid. But you're right, every case is different, and every sport has different demands. Biomechanically, ACLs are generally tougher on taller guys (and gals), and basketball is one of the toughest sports on them with all the change of direction at high speeds. Wrestling's most common knee injury is the LCL, so it's not uncommon to see quicker return from cruciate ligament injuries than collateral ligaments. Having met a lot of BYU's medical staff, I have pretty good confidence in their ability to rehab and return him to play judiciously and timely. That said, while I don't know about his situation specifically, I'd be pretty surprised to see him return to full minutes early in their season.

  • intrinsicrewards Salem, VA
    March 31, 2014 8:51 p.m.

    Devin Carter, a wrestler from Virginia Tech, had a fully torn ACL and surgery in early December. He just wrestled in the ACC tournament where he was named wrestler of the year and then went on to NCAA tournament on OK City and made the finals. Everyone also told him it would be 8-10 months after his surgery in December. This young athlete worked extremely hard through alot of pain to get back quickly. I know every case is different, but his case is something that should be looked at as a model and maybe the trainers should call VT and get some pointers on how he rehabbed so quickly. They would not have let him come back too early and risk further injury in such a tough sport.

    Good luck to Kyle with the rehab...