Why we need to avoid Walmart

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  • RedShirtCalTech Pasedena, CA
    April 7, 2014 7:47 a.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" yes, and they are just getting deeper and deeper in debt. How about UPS, they apparently know how to make money on shipping and get their packages to their destinations quickly.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 4, 2014 6:02 a.m.

    Redshirt... USPS is self funding.

    If you can find a line item in the federal budget funding the USPS, let us all know.... because for the last 200 plus years no none knew about it. It will surely be news worthy information.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 2, 2014 8:58 a.m.

    To "UtahBlueDevil" if a large corporation ran losses in the Billions of dollars for multiple years, how long would it take before it would be liquidated?

    If the USPS isn't getting any government assistance, then explain how they can keep paying their employees?

    You say that the USPS doesn't get funding from tax money, yet ABC News and many others have reported over the past 4 years about various bills that have gone through congress to bail out the Post Office.

    Either way, you only confirm that the USPS is not as well run as UPS.

  • Jamescmeyer Midwest City, USA, OK
    April 2, 2014 7:00 a.m.

    For some reason, a lot of the people that knock on Walmart tend to be socially liberal (nevermind Walmart employees had better healthcare than obamacare offers at the same price now)

    If the concern were more neutral, for instance "large mass retailers"-K-Mart and Target are no better than Walmart in terms of quality or price-this would seem more reasonable.

    If anything, I'll be shopping at Walmart more frequently if the stuff they say about increasing American-made products and workers pans out.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    April 1, 2014 8:08 p.m.

    This has got to be the dumbset article I have ever read in the DNews. Yes let's shut down Wallmart and then watch your weekly grocery bill double. That's just the ticket isn't it. Walmart is one of THE main reasons so many middle class Americans are able to barely get by today. Walmart's food and produce is good - not great but still very good. The prices are untouchable by Macey's or Smith's or any other major Utah grocery chain and I'm sure that holds nationally as well. Clothing and tools and ...you name it...it is lower priced at Walmart. I don't see the thousands of Utah citizens complaining about having their Walmart jobs either. It is articles like this that make me wonder if we ought to really think about rasing the voting age to say...25... when common sense starts to relace immaturity.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 1, 2014 7:16 p.m.

    @redshirt - evidently you are unaware of how the US postal service and how they are funded. The USPS gets no tax money... not a cent. They are not subsidized, just regulated, and operate under a charter from the government... and don't get to pick their own business practices.

    Think about it... hand delivery of a letter door to door, across the country, for under 50 cents. Does UPS do that? I worked for UPS during college.... I don't recall us doing that. I have the highest respect for the UPS - for many reasons. But lets be a little fare here. Just because they are government, doesn't mean they are poorly run.

    And no, the USPS is not subsidized by tax payers. It lost money because of Postal Accountability and Enhancement Act, which mandates $5.5 billion per year to be paid into an account to pre-fund retiree health-care, 75 years into the future. Look it up. If UPS had the same requirement, seeing how their net revenue was 4.7b, they too would have posted at a loss.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    April 1, 2014 6:55 p.m.


    Sorry, your ignorance is showing.... For example

    "In 2011, the Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art opened in Bentonville, Arkansas. The Museum was largely funded by the Walton Family Foundation, which donated more than $1.4 billion."

    Does Utah have a museum valued at more than 1.4 billion?

    Last year Walmart gave more than 1 billion to charities. That is even more than some major religions. Lets not cast dispersions just because we aren't aware. I don't like Walmart as a store to shop at... but I will not deny recognition of those good things they do.

  • Schwa South Jordan, UT
    April 1, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    I wonder if people realize that by paying their employees so little, and encouraging them to get government assistance, the taxpayer is subsidizing Walmart's labor costs.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    April 1, 2014 2:58 p.m.

    To "Pendergast" you mean USPS that was in the red by $5 Billion the same year that UPS has $3.8 billion in profits? If the USPS was a private company, it would be liquidated by now.

    I would think that if UPS was given a $5 billion subsidy by taxpayers that they would cost about the same as the USPS.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    April 1, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    re: RedShirt

    "Yes, businesses can do things faster, better, and cheaper than the government."

    I don't know. USPS > UPS.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    April 1, 2014 8:00 a.m.

    To "airnaut" that would not result in "ANOTHER Government system". It would be a replacement of a government system.

    Yes, businesses can do things faster, better, and cheaper than the government.

    My suggestion was just an idea for cutting waste in the welfare program without killing the program, something I thought that you would like.

    The question is why do you want to pay all of that overhead for social workers, and buildings for them to work in. Don't you know that wearhouse workers and delivery people are cheaper than most office personnel?

    My preference would be to make government welfare such a pain to receive and to stay on that people would rather pick produce than go on welfare.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    April 1, 2014 6:36 a.m.

    USS Enterprise, UT
    To "airnaut" you know that the government could stop Walmart from making so much money off of them. The government could also save money by eliminating all grocery stores from the SNAP program. If the government just set up a wearhouse and gave the needy a box of food rather than giving them checks and EBT cards, they could eliminate the middleman.

    4:32 p.m. March 31, 2014


    But Red,
    That is diametrically opposed to everying you advocate daily --

    1. That would mean yet ANOTHER Government system.
    the Warehouse, the Workers, the transportaion etc., etc.

    2. You keep saying businesses can do everything faster, better, and cheaper than any Government.

    Which is it?

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    March 31, 2014 9:10 p.m.

    Local run stores are not all they are cracked up to be. Go to any third world country, and this is how people shop. Prices are high, quality is often low and inconsistent, and selection is poor. Keep hoping for mom and pop stores. And move America back 150 years...

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 31, 2014 4:32 p.m.

    To "airnaut" you know that the government could stop Walmart from making so much money off of them. The government could also save money by eliminating all grocery stores from the SNAP program. If the government just set up a wearhouse and gave the needy a box of food rather than giving them checks and EBT cards, they could eliminate the middleman.

  • GK Willington Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    per Red Shirt earlier today...

    Completely agreed. I've noticed some items are cheaper at Smiths than Reams. While other items are a better deal at Harmons than Target, and so on.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    March 31, 2014 1:10 p.m.

    2 bits
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    I don't see why the Walmart issue is painted as a Right VS Left thing. It's not politics.


    Why does the Left hate Walmart??

    Who shops at Walmart (mostly poor people). And the Left likes poor people and wants them to be able to afford food for their kids... so why are they so against Walmart selling inexpensive food (the same food, in the same cans, you would buy at ANY store)??

    I don't get it... and why it's become so politicized...


    Because --

    The poor get Food Stamps from the Government [taxes].
    Which in turn means WalMart is getting rich from other peoples taxes.

    BTW -- This applies to all the workers, working AT WalMart.

    THAT'S why.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 31, 2014 1:07 p.m.

    I hate to break it to everybody, but outside of Gasoline, seasonal produce, and a few other industries the profits eventually go outside of Utah. Yes Joe's Supermarket is owned by your neighbor, but the items that he sells on his shelf were purchased form Del Monte and packaged in Mississippi, and the corporate profits were sent to their headquarters in New York. The interesting thing is that sometimes the chain store benefits the local economy more because they can afford to pay their store manager's more than the locally owned store. All while hiring the same number of people.

    As for Walmart being the cheapest, that is a lie too. If you compare prices between Walmart, Target, Smith's, and other grocery stores, you can often find that Walmart is not the cheapest.

    What this letter shows is that our kids are not being taught how to show, or even how to look through advertising and see the truth. It is a sad day when people take advertisements to be be 100% truthful.

  • Kinglore ,
    March 31, 2014 12:53 p.m.

    I have bought many things from wal mart and when there are options (different brands) I always look to see where it is made and I will buy the made in USA first even if it is more money.

    I have noticed that just because an item is made in the USA doesn't mean it will be more money. I have learned this through looking at all the various brands and where they are made. Many of the Wal mart brand items are made in USA and are much lower prices than the name brand items which almost always are made in china.

    People have a tendency to repeat whatever they hear from a family, friend, talk radio, internet.... as truth, but most don’t really look into it with an open mind and learn the facts before saying what have heard. It is a bad habit of many people that causes a lot of arguments that otherwise could be avoided. If people have the facts it is easy to debate whichever side you are on in a civil manner instead of arguing, which tends to lead to people not learning and being ignorant.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 31, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    I don't see why the Walmart issue is painted as a Right VS Left thing. It's not politics.


    Why does the Left hate Walmart??

    Who shops at Walmart (mostly poor people). And the Left likes poor people and wants them to be able to afford food for their kids... so why are they so against Walmart selling inexpensive food (the same food, in the same cans, you would buy at ANY store)??

    I don't get it... and why it's become so politicized...


    Are they so detached and snobbish that they think the poor should be forced to buy their food from a suave food emporium like they do??

    What's wrong with cheep food (if it's the same food you would get anywhere)?

    Why is the Left against it?

    I see why the Right is for it.... they are for free market economy and free market principles, where if you can provide a product cheaper you should be rewarded with more business.

    But I really don't see why the Left hates Walmart... Can someone explain it?


    IMO there's room for Walmart AND smaller boutique stores. They cater to a different clientele.

  • Kimber Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 9:10 a.m.

    And "K Dave" you are not forced to shop at "Obamacare", but just like Walmart, if you need insurance it's there for you. It has helped six million people so far. If you have good insurance that's great for you!

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    March 31, 2014 8:30 a.m.

    re: Wayne Rout

    "Since the writer does not shop in Walmart, he probably does not know what he is missing."

    No, as someone else pointed out, there is a website called people of walmart which is pretty much spot on.

    Isn't interesting how there isn't a website called people of Target?

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    March 31, 2014 8:27 a.m.

    Beside the low quality name brand trash you purchase at Walmart, yes all kinds of stuff is manufactured especially for Walmart in China and looks just like the stuff you buy anywhere else. It is low quality and sometimes lasts about as long as it takes to get it home.

    My favorite conspiracy theory is, all of the plants in China that manufacture the trash for Walmart are owned by the Chinese Military. Why do you think that China is getting snotty on the world stage. It is largely due to two things. Stealing technology, and #2 is all the money, hundreds of billions, that unwitting U.S. consumers spend at Walmart. It all goes to the Chinese Military machine. I for one won't shop at Walmart for any reason. I always look at where stiff is manufactured. I only buy Chinese in rare circumstances.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    March 30, 2014 11:39 p.m.

    Um... I like Walmart... Great American Success story.

  • ImaUteFan West Jordan, UT
    March 30, 2014 11:15 p.m.

    Walmart = Evil Empire.

    Can't stand the place. I avoid it at all costs.

  • ValerieJ Bentonville, AR
    March 30, 2014 9:27 p.m.

    I can't decide if I am more shocked by this college grad's poor research or that the Deseret News published such uninformed opinion.

    Truth seekers could learn a lot about Walmart's Great Value brand, their oversea factory standards that are changing labor and safety for entire countries, the commitment to getting struggling people the things they need at affordable prices, bringing manufacturing back to the US, bringing transparency to the market in pricing, and the 1 million people workforce that are grateful for work and benefits.

    People say such unintelligent things. Do your homework, lady, before you pipe up on subjects that you know nothing about.

    And yes, I live in Bentonville, Arkansas where we know Walmart and it's conscience and heart and soul.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    March 30, 2014 9:23 p.m.

    This article is warped liberal or union logic. Walmart is a great place to shop. Once hired, a very high percentage of employees stay at Walmart a long time. After reading this article, I am going to go to Walmart tomorrow. I think every time I go through that door I am taking a small step to face up to unions and Democrats. The Democrats are doing everything they can to drive costs up and disposable income down...at least for the middle class. I'm thankful that Walmart is around to bring some cost down or to at least stabilize them. If the person writing this article does not want to shop at Walmart, he can certainly pay more and shop elsewhere. Oh, my Walmart is very clean. Since the writer does not shop in Walmart, he probably does not know what he is missing.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    March 30, 2014 8:09 p.m.

    You left out the rest of my comment. Yes you can find the same brand at other stores. But several suppliers have paid a price to deal with Walmart. Look what happened to Rubbermaid as an example.

    Howard Beal:
    I see a lot of Japanese and German cars on our streets as well. Honda, Toyota, VW and others have factories in the United States with cars build by U.S. workers. Depending on the vehicle, parts are imported to assemble the cars, but they are built here. I drive a Honda that was built in Ohio.

  • Howard Beal Provo, UT
    March 30, 2014 6:22 p.m.

    The idea of "Buying American" is the biggest myth in American economics. We left England because we wanted to trade and buy with whoever we wanted. Some of our founding fathers like John Hancock were smugglers bringing in products from all over Europe to the colonists. The American tradition is to buy the best product available at the lowest possible price. It has and never has been to "Buy American." If it is from Japan, Germany etc. we'll buy that product. I see a lot of Japanese and German cars on our streets. Americans have always wanted their own consumer choice. That is the true American spirit.

    I suggest to many in Utah to stop listening to the xenophobes of say Fox News and actual study history.

  • Curmedgeon Bountiful, UT
    March 30, 2014 3:26 p.m.


    I just laugh at the posters that say the same products bought at Walmart can be bought elsewhere. Really?

    Yes - really. Products I see at the Walmart in my town, I see at other stores. Obviously, there are some that are only at Walmart, but the same can be said for any national store.

  • AlanMcR South Jordan, UT
    March 30, 2014 2:37 p.m.

    These four paragraphs from a recent college graduate. Absolutely no facts or basis. This letter was written from an emotional standpoint spliced with some pop opinion from certain media. Next time if you are going to slander, at least do so with substance.

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    March 30, 2014 2:15 p.m.

    Prior to the fire that took 112 lives in a Bangladesh garment factory, "Walmart and Gap said they would not pay higher prices to make upgrades." (Huff Post)

    A later article sated that Walmart bowed to pressure and agreed to upgrade fire safety, after the fire and a great public outcry.

  • Jl Sandy, UT
    March 30, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    You can't complain about the poor sucking up our economy then support the Walmarts of the world. By their own admission they rely on employees taking government assistance to pad their profits. In fairness, many even locals buy from overseas but that is more a product of inane trade policy from the past 40 years.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    March 30, 2014 10:53 a.m.

    I just laugh at the posters that say the same products bought at Walmart can be bought elsewhere. Really? Corporate pounds suppliers into the ground to lower prices, change packaging etc; which has put suppliers out of business.
    Yeah they sell groceries, but the supposed produce department is just lipstick for the majority of processed foods they sell at gut bottom prices. They specialize in making people addicted by sucking them in with low prices coated with additives.

    I buy local/regional and like to know where my food comes from. Might pay more for some things but worth it.

  • andy warhol west valley city, UT
    March 30, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    We owe China $1.3 trillion, and Walmart is stock full of goods from China. United states businesses & consumers are relying more & more on goods from China. Its scary the position this is putting us in. Imagine what could happen if relations with China became strained. We could threaten to not pay back that $1.3 trillion - but China could retaliate by not sending us its goods. Walmart shelves would be empty.

    I'm not sure of the solution as I'm like "Mom of 8" - I have to make the best immediate financial decisions for my family. A lot of times that means cost over durability.

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    March 30, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    Wal-Mart has simply made distribution of everyday goods like food and toiletries very low-cost and efficient. They have freed Americans up to do more valuable things like be creative and innovative. Thank heaven for Wal-Mart! If you want to get an extra benefit beyond their low prices, buy the stock! It will help not only your current budget, but your retirement!

    Keep it up Wal-Mart employees. Don't let the naysayers keep you from building upon the most efficient distribution system in the world!

  • carman Wasatch Front, UT
    March 30, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    The main reason products at Wal-Mart are less expensive than at other stores is because the have the largest, most cost-efficient distribution system for food and misc goods in the world. They have wrung inefficiencies out of the traditional "mom and pop" and even large supermarket supply chain, including inefficiencies at their suppliers.

    Wal-Mart is a huge success and benefit to almost everyone (even the hold-outs who hold their noses up at shopping there - because even they pay lower prices at Target, the local gas station, etc. because of competition from Wal-Mart!)

    The real benefit, however, is freeing up thousands and even millions of people from mundane jobs at mom and pop stores (clerks, stockers, delivery folks, accountants, etc) who can now go do something much more productive. The key is to get training in an area where you can add more value. The college decision used to be 1) pick a major 2) graduate and take a job. Today you need to be much more thoughtful. If you are, you can have the American Dream times 100.

  • CWJ Layton, UT
    March 30, 2014 9:05 a.m.

    Have any of you shopped at the Layton Wal Mart? What a zoo. All of those horrible drivers at the intersection of Hillfield Rd. and Main St. transition to Wally World where their horrible driving skills are transfered to shopping carts and you need insurance coverage just to enter the store, let alone walk up and down an aisle. I am being somewhat facetious, but I am also somewhat serious in my little tangent. I avoid Wal Mart (I live close to the Layton store) because I cannot stand just how inconsiderate the majority of the shoppers are. That place will drive a person crazy. I would rather drive the extra distance to Smith's or to Clearfield to Kent's Market than Shop at Wal Mart.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 30, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    I love their french bread but that is it. no more buying bikes and electronics. most of the time they don't refund anything for defects.

  • The Dixie Kid Saint George, UT
    March 30, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    Sounds like someone is too good for Walmart.

  • SpanishImmersed Mesa, AZ
    March 30, 2014 8:39 a.m.

    I love Wal-Mart. They are the ones who promote the Buy American campaign. They can't help that US trade laws allow cheap imports from China. They can't help that a majority of American companies have their products manufactured in China. It's a global economy.

    China is where innovators and entrepreneurs go to circumvent US patent laws, and take advantage of a willing workforce, unlike some of the workers at WalMart that mumble and grumble, and don't work hard. Their is no guaranteed living wage in the retail industry. We ought to be thankful for an immigrant workforce that will come here and pick our tomatoes and onions, but that's another issue with US immigration laws.

    WalMart is a result of global capitalism at its best. You can't have your isolationism without protectionism. US sovereignty was dissolved a long time ago, along with your Ozzie and Harriett world.

  • MAYHEM MIKE Salt Lake City, UT
    March 30, 2014 8:17 a.m.

    I don't shop "local" or "Ma and Pa" stores to "support" THEM. I shop at stores that provide the products I need at prices I can afford. As a professional, I assure you that my clients don't visit me because they feel sorry for me, or to "support" me, or to keep profits in the USA. They come to obtain the services they need -- at a fee they're willing to pay. If I can't offer quality services to enough clients for an acceptable fee, I'll be looking for a new job, soon!

    The reason so many people have "voted" with their dollars to keep Walmart in business is because it offers products at prices people are willing to pay and of sufficient quality to meet their needs. If smaller, local stores can't compete, they should adapt by offering products or services Walmar doesn't provide or close down.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 30, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    I have said it many times and I will say it again. Economic illiteracy is an enormous problem in this country and this letter is exhibit one of just how serious it is.

  • Linus Bountiful, UT
    March 30, 2014 7:10 a.m.

    I find it interesting that so many Americans have decided to undermine free enterprise. I'm shocked that Mike Richards, the usual defender of our Constitution would take a stand against free enterprise and the free market. Shame on you.

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 11:29 p.m.

    Half the fun of going to Walmart is to see the "people of Walmart" actually there. There is a Bingo game where you go to Walmart and find the various things that have been posted on that funny Walmart website. It's so fun and then to get low prices too! Gets boring watching the same stereotyped people at the other stores.

    So take a chill pill people.! Walmart is really fun for many reasons. I love it and will always shop there. I have met many of their employees. They are fine people doing the best they can. Many have quite a sense of humor and are very nice and helpful.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 29, 2014 11:23 p.m.

    @Mike Richards
    South Jordan, Utah

    The reason that I don't shop at Wal-Mart is that I want profits to remain in Utah. If I shop at Peterson's in Riverton, a family owned grocery store, the profits made by that store help the community. If I buy at Wal-Mart, the profits leave Utah, sucking dollars out of our local economy.
    8:24 a.m. March 29, 2014


    You realize that exact same logic applies to buying American - vs. Communist China.
    If you buy Communist China, the profits leave America, sucking dollars out of our economy.

  • bjdoc Boise, Idaho
    March 29, 2014 10:46 p.m.

    I just call it China Mart, to remind me that money I spend should stay in America. I find other stores in Idaho sell more local products, and keep the money at home. Not all is cheaper at wall mart,

  • Enough is enough! Saint George, UT
    March 29, 2014 10:37 p.m.

    Abby is right on. I'm the third generation in a "mom and pop grocery store" group which was forced out of business by the "big boys" coming to town. This article hits close to home. Ours were the stores which built our town, gave food away to the poor, supported many community causes, provided jobs and gave us the opportunity to work with our parents, etc. We delivered groceries, opened the stores late if someone in town desperately needed something and closed on Sundays so our employees could enjoy a day off (us, too!).

    Running your own, small grocery store is very hard work, long hours and usually not enough profit margin to hire a manager.

    It's hard to stomach the damage done by these large corporations. It's ugly to watch.

    Please support your local businesses whenever possible. Once they are all gone, the big boxes will run everything.

  • Sales Sandy, UT
    March 29, 2014 10:01 p.m.

    I love Walmart! Are all of your lives that good that this is what you've found to complain about? Really? My sister worked at Walmart for years. It wasn't glamorous, but it was a job, and it helped her get through school. Is there some dictator that is forcing these low paid workers to work at Walmart? What do you think the mom and paps pay their employees? Do you really think its THAT MUCH better? So instead of nine bucks an hour they get ten? Is it enough to feed a family on? NO! Its not. Then again, what does the guy in the ditch with a shovel make? Why isn't there outrage about that? Because you want to live in your nice house?? Also because it doesn't take much skill. It takes hard work. But it doesn't take much skill, and neither does working at walmart as a checker. Jobs pay what they are worth. If they don't, people won't do them. I love Walmart. I will continue to shop there. Go find something else to focus your hatred on.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 29, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    I don't go to Walmart. I don't support the company, but that's only half of it.

    The website 'people of walmart' exists for a reason... People weren't surprised by the site's creation... for a reason.

  • Mayfair City, Ut
    March 29, 2014 8:07 p.m.

    @Thid Barker

    Very Well Said.

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 29, 2014 7:48 p.m.

    I rarely shop at Walmart because, while their prices are often good the stores are often crowded, understaffed, and poorly organized. My husband is a value hunter, and much of our stuff is bought on the internet, often through Amazon, where we have a good choice and can find excellent prices.

    For items we can't buy on-line for whatever reason we often do use locally owned stores.

  • Warren ,
    March 29, 2014 6:03 p.m.

    Yes-Real Maverick-let's force Walmart into bankruptcy and put 1.4 million workers out of a job.

  • Ultra Bob Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 29, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    People who use their brains for its intended purpose buy products according to the best fit for that individual. People who buy products according to the words of the seller are often fooled by false values.

    The owners of the "Mom and Pop" stores, being experienced, educated and intelligent consumers themselves, probably buy things for themselves that best fit the need at the lowest cost.

    Of the money you earn to support your family only a tiny part stays in Utah. Most of the products come from out of state, no matter who sells them, and those products are bought by the seller according to size of the purchase. The owners of Utah businesses do not have the size and power to purchase as cheaply as the big boys and cannot match the competition.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    March 29, 2014 3:17 p.m.

    re: UtahBlueDevil

    "The family has also done much for the arts and education in their home state."

    What would that be? Providing free transportation from Bentonville to Branson?

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    March 29, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    I've almost never shopped at Walmart.In many cases, the vaunted savings aren't as great as claimed, and, yes, often you can buy the same product for the same price, or less, w'o going to Walmart.

    I still recall my wife buying a cell phone at a Walmart store assuming it was usable in Utah. It wasn't! and they didn't want to give a refund. On close examination it stated on the packaging the phone could only be used in certain states. Why did Walmart sell it in Utah then? Why did they fight my wife over the return? Fortunately she is a fighter when it comes to getting her rights, and they begrudgingly gave her money back.

    I recall that K Mart used to sell goods made in Taiwan and other alternatives to Communist China and that Walmart deliberately places itself near to existing chain stores to do them out of business.

    The problem is that most people would rather save a buck than almost anything else so W'Mart thrives.
    OTOH domestic industry might sometimes try harder. Can't someone manufacture American shoes at less than $160 a pair? I'd pay eighty - but $160?!

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 2:53 p.m.

    to LDS Liberal

    Practicing for this coming Tuesday are you?

    I have my own reasons for not shopping at Walmart. Without divulging details, one is substandard service which caused a major inconvenience and some financial trauma then shafting me when I complained. Two, There hijinx in getting new stores. Why build one at 93rd & 9th when there is more than ample space on 94th & 7th? Not to mention, there is already one on 75th & 13th.

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 1:08 p.m.

    @Thid Barker
    "Walmart provides less affluent members of our society access to goods they otherwise may not be able to afford."

    But it's the same cheap goods that keep workers wages low thus increasing the number of people who can't afford much than there would be if everyone in that sector was paying employees like Costco. So there's not a very simple answer there.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 29, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    I don't shop at Walmart, but this anti-Walmart rant used the worst logic I've ever heard. And there are so many REAL reasons to frequent local family stores.


    Unless the product is home-made, mom-and-pop stores sell the same products as Walmart or any other retailer. And I've never heard of a home-make microwave. The guy selling them isn't out making microwaves in his garage... all microwaves are made in Mexico and China (whether you purchase it from Walmart or Joe's microwave store).


    Walmart doesn't employ the people who make microwaves. GE, Westinghouse, Frigidaire, etc, employ the workers (so if there's child labor involved... Walmart didn't force GE to hire children to make the microwave).

    In reality... there's more chance of children (family) working at a family operated store than there is at Walmart. I know, my family ran a business and I started working there very young (for almost nothing).

    But there are GOOD reasons for skipping Walmart and going to a local family store...

    If we like having that store around... you have to shop there once in a while or it will be gone.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 11:59 a.m.

    Walmart is convenient, in my area it's clean, and the prices are low. Those shopping in Walmart run the spectrum from wealthy locals to not-so-wealthy immigrants. We all want to make our dollar go further and judging us is sanctimonious. I often buy from local mom-and-pops in order to help them, but that won't change the reality. Retail patterns change and book stores, DVD rentals, milk man delivery, doctor home visits, typewriters, film cameras, blacksmiths, etc go out of business if they do not adapt. The good old days won't return, so think of a better alternative to Walmart.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    March 29, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    It seems our country has made a pact with the devil, we get low cost consumer goods, but the middle class, and manufacturing have been out sourced over seas!

  • Fitness Freak Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    I seldom shop at Wal-Mart, but I also don't support those who seem to hate them.

    Remember back when we had small towns (and small mom and pop stores)all around the country?

    The "malls" showed up and basically eliminated most of the older downtown stores.

    I don't remember much "outrage" from the masses then.

    Now, here comes Walmart with an even cheaper (from consumer point of view)model and people seem outraged.


  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    Peeps at local Walmart $1.08

    Same Peeps at Fresh Market today $1.99

    So are the peeps at Walmart communist? And the other Peeps are Tea Party?

  • Utefan60 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 29, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    Mike Richards, so do you shop at Lowes, Home Depot, JC Penney's, Macy's, Smith's, Ace Hardware, Shopko, Nordstrom's, MacDonald's, Dillard's, Target, or many other stores that don't keep their "profits in Utah"? Walmart has prices that most of need to survive. Walmart has the exact same products as any other store. It just seems to be OK to target Walmart. The new store on Parleys has provided many needed jobs and has cleaned up a building that was deteriorating into disrepair. They have been admirable neighbors. If I spend $100 at the local store then go to Walmart it costs me $79.00 for the exact same items. The money I save allows me to shop neighborhood stores and put more of my hard earned money back into the economy. I think Walmart shoppers provide a better return to our economy than you do.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 29, 2014 9:29 a.m.


    Mark today on the calendar.

    I agree with both Real Maverick AND Mike Richards!

    Mike is Correct in buying local to keep the profits local.
    Mavis right in that WalMart [and other businesses] are fueling and funding COMMUNISTS in China!

    I am sick and tired of hearing the bemoaning of "Socialism" from posters who are in fact Fund and Growing COMMUMISM.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 29, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    Walmart is Communist China's greatest creation! Through Walmart Communist China is able to finance weapons of mass destruction, armies, and navies. So naturally, the right wing posters, like Thid/MM would adore and worship it.

    Isn't it about time we treat Walmart as the enemy of the state that it truly is? I say all companies that have operations in China be hit with a major tax increase. Hopefully we can force them to move operations back here (or at least out of a communist regime) or force them into bankruptcy. Wouldn't that be grand? I'd love to see Walmart gone!

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 29, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    A recent survey of national grocery chains found Wallmart came in 55th - out of 55 in terms of customer satisfaction. And yet, Wallmart flushes. What that points to is that many either have to, or are willing to sacrifice quality in exchange for cheap prices.

    I choose not to shop at Walmart. I don't think of it as an evil company - I actually sit on an energy advisory board on renewables with a member of the Walmart executive staff. Walmart is extremely dedicated to renewable energy and is aggressively working to make their stores as carbon neutral as possible. The family has also done much for the arts and education in their home state.

    But "cheap" comes at a cost. It comes at a cost in quality. It comes at a cost of service. It comes at a cost of US jobs and local businesses. It is each individuals rights and responsibility to weigh those cost in their own mind. To me personally, that cost is too high.

  • Mom of 8 Hyrum, UT
    March 29, 2014 8:31 a.m.

    I appreciate the idealism, and I hope she can hold on to it. I hate Wal-Mart, but it's my only alternative. If I have only $60 to replace a microwave, I have to buy the cheap one at Wal-Mart. My noble intentions can't go any further than what's in my bank account, because I shouldn't be using that credit card.

    I've done extensive market research for my family and have priced shopping at Wal-Mart vs. shopping elsewhere. Right now I do 1/3 at a local grocery story, 2/3 at Wal-Mart because I save $150 each month buying detergent, toothpaste, TP and cereal at Wal-Mart.

    Now, $150 may not sound like much to the letter writer, but for a family my size it's the difference between paying the car insurance and not. We never eat out, we can't afford movies outside of Netflix, and we live bare-bones, but we live. Regrettably, we have to do that living through buying at Wal-Mart.

    If mom-and-pops can help me, great. But so far they simply can't.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    March 29, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    Stores are in business to make a profit, including Wal-Mart. The reason that I don't shop at Wal-Mart is that I want profits to remain in Utah. If I shop at Peterson's in Riverton, a family owned grocery store, the profits made by that store help the community. If I buy at Wal-Mart, the profits leave Utah, sucking dollars out of our local economy.

  • Warren ,
    March 29, 2014 8:09 a.m.

    And this is what a college education gives us?

  • KDave Moab, UT
    March 29, 2014 7:22 a.m.

    Fortunately Abby. Walmart is not like Obamacare. We are not forced to shop there.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 29, 2014 7:15 a.m.

    Abby should get a refund on her college tuition because she didn't learn much. Walmart provides less affluent members of our society access to goods they otherwise may not be able to afford. There is a reason very few poor people shop at Nordstrom's stores but they do shop at Walmart. To demand people not shop at Walmart is to deny poor people access to goods only the rich can afford!

  • Nan BW ELder, CO
    March 29, 2014 7:06 a.m.

    I agree with this letter. Abby's critique of Walmart is accurate and astute. I have shopped at Walmart a few times in the past decade simply because I needed items not available at local stores, but I avoid Walmart as much as possible. The large Walmart that is near a town where I used to shop extensively has caused more local businesses to quit than I can name. I would not consider buying an appliance there, or anything of significance. The way Walmart treats employees is deplorable, as stated in the article. Let's quit entering Walmart doors entirely!

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    March 29, 2014 6:32 a.m.

    No question that Walmart has issues. Last Thanksgiving, it had a "food drive" for its employees, which symbolized its low wage business model.

    Walmart has, however, been doing some social good.

    One, it is forcing its cosmetic suppliers to end the use of toxic chemicals in various make-ups and beauty products, which benefits women's health. Two, it has implemented programs to ensure better clothing factory worker rights/safety in developing countries after the Bangladesh fire disaster. No other retailer has power and might in the supply chain to force such change.

    Three, it has revolutionized retail building energy and environmental impacts with the increasing use of renewable energy (e.g., wind and rooftop solar) and savvy building construction (e.g., hand driers over paper towels; natural light) to drastically cut its carbon footprint. It's also implemented fuel efficiency measure for its trucks and safe climate-safe refrigerants in its retail outlets.

    Some may scoff as such things, but given Walmart's size and clout in the marketplace, it offers opportunities to enact global good where others have to follow suit. I personally support these initiatives.

  • Curmedgeon Bountiful, UT
    March 29, 2014 1:08 a.m.

    Interesting comment.

    My experience is that WalMart has many of the same products as both local "Mom and Pop" stores as well as other big chains. So the idea of cheap labor to make the products being a WalMart issue is incorrect.

    Does WalMart sell generic food products? Yes, but so does Safeway and other supermarket chains. So that argument is moot.

    One MAJOR reason that WalMart is able to sell products cheaper (thus putting local shops out of business) is that buy buying in great volume, they pay less, therefore they can sell for less.

    Nevertheless, if you want to pay more for things and ensure that you paycheck doesn't go as far, enjoy.