As a proud liberal and progressive I think there is still something the left
needs to come to grips with and that is employers will never and pretty much
have never, paid employees more than they have to.The key to the
labor movement was that American workers were performing jobs and work that no
one else in the world could perform....until they could. To romanticize the era
of labor extracting high pay and benefits from employers misses the point and
distracts us from what needs to be done now.The right needs to
realize that the creation of technologies and industries that will support this
principle and the ensuing entrepreneurialism needs to be socialized and only
society as a whole can do this. Thus the Solyndras etc. Germany
has figured this out. We need to quickly.
While girls work, study, win sterling scholar awards and outpace the men in
obtaining their bachelors degrees in Utah, these young men are content to sit in
their parents' basement and play X-box.
never fear ..there are plenty of part-time jobs out there thanks to Obamacare.
And those part time jobs pay well...$8 average. Now just over in the
Dakota's young men are making in excess of 150k per year with the fracking
business ...all on PRIVATE land. So you choose...part time work at McDonalds or
150k being a welder. Think of the thousands of high paying jobs and careers that
would open up IF we had a president who actually understood and believed in
Capitalism instead of Communism. College kids who blindly voted for "Joe
Cool" are finding that spending 5 years in college and then working part
time flipping burgers in Obama's economy isn't so cool after all.
Finding out you were duped is a pretty empty feeling...but there is no better
teacher than experience....
Like it or not, immigration, both illegal and legal, have made it much more
difficult for young people to get jobs. It is simple economics: dramatically
increase the supply of workers, and wages will stagnate and jobs will be more
difficult to obtain.
Are we just a bunch of pawns dependent on those "greedy" business owners
or are we so lazy that we think that we deserve a wage higher than the value
that we offer? As a business owner, I have some experience working with people
who show up late (or not at all), of people stoned out of their minds, of people
who have destroyed materials and machinery because they would not follow simple
instructions. Sure, I've had a few excellent employees, and I paid them an
excellent wage, but many were under qualified.Why do people think
that being "an American" automatically qualifies them to be well paid?
I've always made sure that I was over qualified for every job.
None of the businessmen ever hesitated to pay me a fair wage.
Predictably, we are seeing the standard "Americans are just a bunch of
untalented, lazy bums," and, "there are not enough qualified workers in
America," false propaganda rationalizations for avoiding paying one's
fellow American a fair wage. Doubtless Jesus foresaw that such greed and
accompanying sophistry would be a major problem in our day. No wonder He spoke
of Camels, and of Eyes of Needles.
Schnee,I guess the term "young" is relative. To me anybody under
40 is "young". But young men can, and have started new businesses. My
father started his first business at 20. He's started 5 businesses and
sold them (they are all still around... employing young people in our local area
(in the retail, food, and entertainment industry).I agree it's
unusual for a kid to start a new company. But what I meant is that these young
men will someday need to startup new companies... or there won't be any new
jobs.And the main point I was trying to make was that people who do
this (start a business, hire people, etc)... are vilified by the
hard-core-left.I really don't think my father could (or would
want to) do it in today's over-regulated anti-business world. He's
retired now (for about the 10th time) but he's mentioned that times have
changed and he couldn't have done what he did today.What I was
talking about is the OccupyWS mentality... that business owners are scum.
@2bits"We also need lots of young men who are willing to start NEW
businesse"Most businesses require a good deal of startup money,
something not exactly available to young people in high school or college unless
you subscribe to the Romney philosophy of "just borrow from your
parents" and have parents that don't laugh at the idea.
"The Harvard School of Business report there is growing evidence of a skills
gap in which many young adults lack the skills and work ethic needed for many
jobs that pay a middle-class wage."That's precisely the
problem. But the Occupy Wall Street crowd along with liberals believe that
businesses somehow owe people a job with a high wage regardless of a
person's skill level. The only reason business should even be in business
is to provide jobs for society, not make a dirty, evil profit.Liberals also continue to perpetuate this myth that companies only pay
"minimum pay rates" to people who have high skills. This false
propaganda is an ignorant display of basic economics and shows a complete lack
of understanding of the simple law of supply and demand.Of course,
society would be much better if it incorporated the Marxist tenets of
centralized economic planning where the government replaces business, owns the
means of production, pays people a "fair" wage, and redistributes the
proceeds of economic activity according to the needs of the people -- needs that
only the government can determine.Sad thing is we have many young
people buy into this stuff.
"But those companies don't want a young person right out of
school."Of course they do if students have some skills. Career
and Technical Education programs are offered in every high school in Utah to
help train students for higher-skill, higher-wage, and higher-demand
occupations. Students can earn skill certificates to help them become eligible
for higher paying jobs right out of high school. Problem is we have this silly
mindset kids must go straight to college rather than participate in these
"vocational" programs when job availability and higher wages are waiting
for them out of high school."They want trained, experienced
workers for jobs - at minimum pay rates."Trained workers are at
premium, but the "minimum pay rates" is nonsense if workers have the
skills employers need. For example, wage growth for STEM careers has been more
robust during the last twelve years than at any other time. The
Harvard School of Business reports there is "growing evidence of a skills
gap in which many young adults lack the skills and work ethic needed for many
jobs that pay a middle-class wage."A little more research on
your part might help.
Tyler D,We agree that ALL education is beneficial, but not all
education leads to a job. The FIRST duty that a man has is to take care of
himself and his family. That might require him to sacrifice his interests for
the good of the family. AFTER he is qualified to work at the kind of work that
will support him and his family, he can augment his education and study those
things that interest him. Many of us have never stopped learning.
We set aside a portion of each day to study new things or to extend our
understanding of things that we have previously studied. Education should never
stop just because we have a piece of paper that tells the world that we have
"arrived".In today's world, science and math are more
in demand than philosophy. That doesn't mean that philosophy is not
important, but it is not required to get a job in a technical area. (Personally,
one of my favorite books is, "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle
Maintenance". It helps me understand that others might think differently
about things than I do.)
@Mike Richards – “Getting a degree in library science, philosophy,
communications, history, etc., does little to "train" a young
man…”I am largely with you here Mike and agree that pay
is commensurate with the skills we have. But I would be careful not
to disparage non-technical degrees. There is more to life than simply job skills
and many so called liberal arts degrees go a long way towards creating a better,
more informed citizenry (just look at the educations of our Founders).In terms of how that translates into jobs, of course it matters from the
standpoint of supply & demand. If there are 50,000 history majors and only
5000 jobs per year requiring those skills, those students will likely end up (at
least in the short term) at Starbucks.One final caveat – I
would not lump a philosophy degree in with the rest. Philosophy degrees are very
much sought after as a solid prerequisite for grad school and even jobs straight
out of college due to their unparalleled ability to teach logic and critical
Way to cherry pick your facts. This may be peripherally true:Furthermore, "U.S. manufacturing companies hiring skilled workers are
having a hard time finding individuals with the skills they need. In fact, 67%
of companies hiring full-time employees cannot find the skilled workforce
needed, according to the Society of Human Resources Management (SHRM). Today,
600,000 jobs are unfilled in manufacturing for this reason, according to the
National Association of Manufacturers (NAM)."But those companies
don't want a young person right out of school. They want trained,
experienced workers for jobs - at minimum pay rates.
I think exporting jobs is a much bigger threat to job prospects for this
generation. If the problem were just automation... you could at least get a
job designing, building, and writing software to control the robots. With
exporting jobs (or importing foreign workers to do those jobs)... they do all
the entry level jobs. You can still get a job managing those overseas workers,
but they don't usually hire entry level people to manage teams.There's also the problem of "Jobs Americans just won't
do".It used to be the really hard or stinky jobs. Now it
includes almost any entry level job.So what is a young person to do
now days. They have the attention span of a gnat. If they can't get on
their phone and chat with their friends every 5 minutes they get the shakes. I
think it's going to be tough for them in the real world job market.And on top of that... You are vilified as a "1%er" IF you have
the audacity to start your own business and hire help, or expand a business
opening more branches nationwide, that would provide jobs nation wide.
Automation does make it hard for men to find jobs. But not just for this
generation. In my father's generation it was the steam shovel. It could
do the work of 40 men with shovels. Teams of men used to dig ditches,
foundations, tunnels, etc. Not anymore (thank heaven).In my
generation it was computers and information technology. In this
generation it's automation (a robot can be more precise and never takes a
break, doesn't have a union, pension, or a pay check). It's a fact
that these advancements do reduce the amount of man-power it takes to do the
things that used to be done manually. But we can't make them go away.
We have to move forward and find NEW jobs.Maybe the new generation
can get involved in research and even start new companies to make new more
affordable solar panels or something. We don't want to go back to digging
ditches by hand.
Marxist,Why are companies hiring programmers (with doctorates) from
India? The people of India are motivated. They know what they're doing.
They are dedicated. My son travels to India at least twice a year
to check on projects that his company has "outsourced" to India. The
cost of a programmer in India (combined with the cost of travelling to India and
the cost of locating an American team in India to work with the Indian teams) is
higher than hiring someone in America. The difference is that Indian
programmers are better trained (in America), more qualified, and much more
motivated. They do the work assigned without excuse and without delay. In a previous job, my son worked with 150 "teams", each
consisting of three or four programmers. He said that at least 50% of their
time was spent helping "junior" programmers (with computer science
degrees) learn how to program! Workers have a value. When they are
properly trained and are motivated to WORK, they will find jobs. If
they're just looking for a paycheck, they may never find a job.
Whew, do "facts" change here in the DN!Now please count the number
of stories you have printed stating that President Obama was the sole culprit
responsible for this.How many pointed out that was not true?Remember
those capitalists who love sending all these job overseas.An apology?
So, if the impediment to young men getting good starting jobs is education,
automation and of course the dreaded increasing minimum wage, how about they
start by picking lettuce in imperial county, CA.? Very low tech, no automation,
and definitely low pay. Problem solved.
"The greatest single threat to American young men and the traditional family
is global capital."A patently false assumption filled with
progressive, anti-capitalist nonsense.The reason we are not seeing
robust job growth is because businesses have not seen demand for their goods and
services pick up in a way that would allow them to significantly increase
hiring. Furthermore, "U.S. manufacturing companies hiring
skilled workers are having a hard time finding individuals with the skills they
need. In fact, 67% of companies hiring full-time employees cannot find the
skilled workforce needed, according to the Society of Human Resources Management
(SHRM). Today, 600,000 jobs are unfilled in manufacturing for this reason,
according to the National Association of Manufacturers (NAM)."
RE: Mike Richards "It's simple: Training determines opportunity."
It's not so simple. The only jobs which cannot be exported are those
which require hands on work activity - like primary health care. Everything
else was and is being exported. Your son is very lucky, Mike. Programming jobs
are now being exported to India by the boatload. We differ in what
we think capital has a right to do. I believe in socialism because there has to
be some break on the prerogatives of capital - it should not be able to destroy
a generation of Americans in the interests of higher and higher profits.Under the current setup capital exports jobs, destroying job markets
here in the "homeland." The resultant profits then are used to buy
government debt which grants capital even greater profits, running government
debt levels higher and higher. Prescription for disaster, and it is coming like
on oncoming freight train.
There's always something making it hard for young men to get jobs. In my
generation it was technology. If you didn't have it... you had a hard
time. But we have always adapted. It's time this generation adapted to
what's required of them (instead of just looking to Obama to create more of
the old type of jobs).We need to keep adapting. Pretending the
President can make economic reality stand still or go back to the way it was...
is futile. It would be a temporary bandage at best. We need to work harder
to adapt now.We also need lots of young men who are willing to start
NEW businesses (because there aren't enough old-school jobs for everybody
in our ever growing population). And people who start businesses are seen as
the "bad guys" by this generation... So they are probably going to have
a hard time finding enough jobs for a long time. The government
can't create jobs fast enough... WE have to create net new jobs! As long
as the people doing that are seen as the villain by the government... it's
going to be tough...
Training is the key to getting a job. Getting a degree in library science,
philosophy, communications, history, etc., does little to "train" a
young man to do the work that is available. Sure, there are a few jobs for
those graduates, but not nearly as many jobs as their are graduates. Why would a company hire someone whose interest is foreign to the job being
offered? Why would a company risk its valuable equipment to someone who had
shunned technology while getting his "education"?Everything
has a consequence. Those who are interested in having a job to provide for a
family would put their personal interests aside and get the training required
for the jobs available. One of my sons started towards a civil
engineering degree. After talking to many civil engineers, he changed his
degree to computer science. That degree allowed him to get an excellent job.
Now, he it CTO of a large company. He looked 15 years down the road and
compared the possibilities, then he chose the training that would take him where
he wanted to be.It's simple: Training determines opportunity.
Democrats have shown little interest in creating jobs. They would prefer all men
and women to work for the government and have the government skim their share
first and then re-distribute back to the peasants what they feel they
deserve.Somehow in their mind, they feel it's more fair to
impoverish everyone, rather than give people unlimited opportunities for self
improvement and being able to use their creative minds and skills and
succeed.Don't misunderstand me. Some regulation is needed. But,
this cradle to grave nonsense is just that.
“The Obama administration’s recent mandate to require set rules for
overtime pay is another disincentive for youth employment.”Oh
really? Can anyone explain why?That “recent mandate”
changes overtime pay rules only for salaried employees. How many youths have
salaried jobs instead of working for hourly pay? . . . One one hundredth of
one percent at most perhaps?Come one. Sure an editorial is an
opinion piece, but that opinion should be based on some sort of fact. So Deseret News, how about basing your editorials a little less on wild claims
and a little more on actual facts.
Why doesn't the Deseret News mention the fact that due to greed and
political corruption Utah is a known sanctuary state for illegal aliens and the
fact that Utah has the fastest-growing illegal-alien population in the nation
and the fact that THIS adversely affects Utah teenagers' employment
prospects? The reason teen employment numbers are high in Provo is
the large number of 17, 18 and 19 year old students living in Provo who attend
UVU and BYU and find it necessary to work partly because of the exorbitantly
high cost of student housing in Provo. The numbers do not really reflect the
employment rate of teenaged native Provoans.Incidentally, the very
sentiment which calls for keeping wages down happens to be directly related to
Utah's subversive illegal-alien (immigration law anti-enforcement)
sanctuary policies mentioned above. The high number of illegal aliens in Utah
helps keep wages down. This is by design. It is a principal reason
certain special interest groups in Utah don't want illegal aliens in Utah
going anywhere, irrespective of the social costs, which include fewer work
opportunities for America's teenagers.
Your comments ignore the famous multi-ton gorilla in the room - that being the
relocation of manufacturing jobs to foreign countries by American capital. These
jobs are not returning unless we can somehow tolerate $1.00 per hour jobs.The greatest single threat to American young men and the traditional
family is global capital.