Police investigating 11 incidents on or near campus in 2 months
SlopJ30,It seems my asking for respect was pointless. You clearly
are more humble and more tactful than I am.
More people in Utah are not actually accessing porn than in any other state. My
husband worked for a company that provided internet services for hotels. The
servers for all these hotels chains around the country and the world are here in
Utah. So if you look at all the people who sit in their hotel rooms who are
bored surfing porn on the web,depending on where they are staying, it is coming
through servers in Utah. There are men here who do view pornography and I think
the numbers are about equal per capita to other places in the US and it can be
addictive and in some people cause improper behavior to escalate. We have
protection software on our systems at home and I have opened a dialogue with my
sons about it when they reach a certain age. Besides focusing on it as a
spiritually destructive thing I also focus on it as something that can be
physically destructive and make it difficult to have a normal physical
monogamous relationship. Dr. Oz did a show on that and masturbation that showed
physiological and psychological reasons why these behaviors can cause problems
that surface in sexual relationships.
And Brio, my argment was not in defense of porn. Nowhere did I suggest that porn
is "good" or even harmless. The guy may or may not be into it. Who
knows, and why is it important to guess this ahead of actual information? I just
fail to see why speculating on the matter is helpful. As I've said before,
it fits the narrative that many here prefer, which is: Some guy is groping
girls? Blame porn and/or Satan in whatever order you prefer. Great; super; now
what? I realize it can be tons of fun and very empowering to imagine we know
what makes people do the things they do, but that doesn't make it right.
Know Live Love, what you don't see is that expressing yourself the way you
do comes off as humblebragging. You can't say, essentially, "Oh,
I'm not personally better than anyone else, but the set of values,
doctrines and cultural idiosyncracies I've centered my life around is the
Greatest In The Universe!" without sounding like you're setting
yourself on a pedestal.Given your beliefs, I would think sharing the
gospel with outsiders would be high on your priority list. You might want to
reconsider the false-sounding humility and off-putting nature of the idea that
Satan thinks Utah is just the most righteous place on Earth. That sentiment may
be personally appealing to you, but how can it possibly be useful to anyone
SlopJ30,Being LDS doesn't make me better than someone else. It
makes the WORK I support better than any other work. Why? Because the LDS Church
is true. Our Heavenly Father's kingdom is the greatest. His work is. That
is what I believe.Some of the greatest people live in Utah. Anyone
who loves their home might say the same thing about it. I know Utahns and
non-Utans who hate it here. I could care less for the pickle-juice attitude. I
simply love it here, love people here, and love my faith. I believe great things
happen here and Satan works hardest because the greatest work is here.But I still believe that members are as prone to the fall as everyone else.
We're all subject to temptation and can all fall. But if Satan wants to
attack the work, temple work, church service... where better to do it?I understand if you think my beliefs are incredible, but I would ask for a
little more respect. I could only dream of going to BYU, and I'm not even a
grad. But my thoughts are just as valuable as your own.
There are many men, all ages and in all walks of society doing this.Many
women are too fearful to report them.
Pepper spray is a good idea for any woman to carry. Replace video surveillance
cameras (this kind is only good at 1 meter. Look for someone wearing a wig. Put
a reward for information leading to arrest. Pornography is embracing animal
behaviors that instinct would have honor as great. If you know someone who wore
white gloves on the day in question or sometimes wears a wig: tell on them
before their behavior escalates to worse sexual crimes. Demand our elected
officials pass a law that makes monitoring sexual offenders, by passive
technology, as to time and position 24/7, that is software driven and protects
convicted citizen's rights as well as the rest of us. Make monitoring
software driven this could do all of the review of data and send warnings to
law enforcement if closer review is warranted.Some good advice from a
concerned citizen. Call Utah Attorney Gen. Reyes and ask if monitoring can be
done constitutionally with privacy protected for the convicted sex offender?
Good ideas should be shared...
@ SlopJ30:You are correct in stating that not all porno watchers are
women assaulters.In fact, far from it. However, studies indicate
that almost all women assaulters are also porno watchers.Statistically speaking, there's a very good chance the person committing
these crimes probably does indulge in pornography. He might not, but probably
does. Being involved with pornography NEVER leads to anything good
or positive.It's a losing battle to argue otherwise. @
Northern:Anyone who views the actions of this one person as a reason
not to go to BYU is truly living in some sort of bubble with their head in the
sand. Incidents similar to this exist at literally all sizable universities in
the country. Yes, even at USU there in Logan.BTW: What are your
other reasons "to not go to BYU"? Perhaps you got turned down. There are undoubtedly many, many more legitimate reasons in the TO-GO category
than there are in the NOT-TO-GO category.
I know this is a serious thing and it's caused some emotional distress for
these young ladies, but I can't help but think this is some college kid who
thinks he's being funny and not the crime it is.What happened
to the good ol' days when you wanted to harass coeds, you threw water
balloons or shaving cream at them? Or worse yet actually asked them out on a
Someone needs to teach this guy some manners."An armed society
is a polite society." (Robert A. Heinlein in Beyond This Horizon)
That person going to get caught pretty soon. Lets hope so.
Seriously, dude.I can't wait for the first pepper spray, or
groin kick that puts you down on the ground long enough for police to come.Is it worth 3 years in prison and a lifelong felony conviction for a
this?Get some professional help...reach out...ask for help.
"Satan fights hardest here... because he has to here. Anyone trying to
recover from an addiction will tell you, the moment they start to work to
change, the temptations become harder. Satan hates anything good and there are a
lot of good people in Utah."There are actually physiological
responses in the body that explain why overcoming addiction is so difficult.
None of them have anything to do with Satan.
When I worked out of the KBYU news room in 1993 and covered the crime beat on
Campus. Remember Cody Judy at the Marriott Center. I was on the Classical 89
that night at 10 pm and blew off my classes the next day to report the longest
story for the TV news the next night. That year 17 ex posers we reported on
Campus for the year. Later after BYU graduation and 2 Police Academies UT and
CA. Salt Lake PD told me I was too clean to be a cop because, I said I had
never drank beer. He didn't believe me and asked me 5 times. I told him I
gave the same answer on the Polygraph. He told me a goodie RM like me
wouldn't last 2 weeks on the streets of Salt Lake. 6 months later every
thing over again this next background Detective wrote me up so dirty he even
used my wife's words against me. Don't even get me started on CA they
don't even in force the law here. Have been pulled over on my motorcycle
and threaten 72 hr phyc evaluation because a good father doesn't give their
SlopJ.What a great post. Thank you.As you know as one
who has lived in Utah, the opinion expressed is not uncommon. And it does the
state, and the LDS religion a disservice.Although, I think you
probably meant "illogical leaps"Regardless, You summed it up
No guns on campus. Are you nuts?
" . . it is an unfortunate result of pornography . . ""Satan fights hardest here . . the best people suffer the strongest
challenges . . "Oh, the assumptions we make and the logical
leaps we attempt to fit a story neatly in to our preferred narrative. Guessing
that this guy is a porn addict serves no point whatsoever. Even if you turn out
to be correct, that wouldn't mean that porn caused his criminal behavior.
If such an addiction exists, it may be just another symptom. Millions of people
view porn daily but manage to avoid assaulting actual humans.As for
the second quote, just stop it already. I'm a native Utahn, BYU grad, and
active LDS, and cringe at this kind of self-serving nonsense. These sentiments
don't help anyone. All they do is promulgate the prissy, holier-than-thou
image I would think we would want to avoid.As for the story, I
always thought Groper was an amusing, fun-loving sort of guy. He's that
blue guy from Sesame Street, right?
Maybe the powers that be need to rethink the University's rules when it
comes to allowing students the right to self defense. Carrying a firearm or
other defensive weapon, which is legal (with a UT CFP) at all state run schools
and universities in Utah, is denied the students at BYU and makes these young
women targets. These students are responsible adults and should not be denied
their basic right to self defense.
Iron Rod, I seriously doubt that Utah leads the nation in the
consumption of porn. Remember, that there are a lot of other outlets for porn
other than online. Just because Utah is strong in demand for ONLINE porn
doesn't mean it leads in porn. With other access for porn very limited,
such as print and strip clubs (as has already been pointed out), those looking
for porn would have little choice but to access it online. With other avenues in
short supply, this is what we would expect.
Back Talk,Well, I agree with you...mostly. I don't think
she'll aim low. If she has a gun to defend herself with, she'll
probably stop him permanently. I'll add that as reason #3 why he should
just stop now.Iron Rod,Satan fights hardest here...
because he has to here. Anyone trying to recover from an addiction will tell
you, the moment they start to work to change, the temptations become harder.
Satan hates anything good and there are a lot of good people in Utah. Struggling
with porn does not a bad person make. The best people suffer the strongest
challenges. Utah was never #1 in magazine subscriptions before the internet
existed. The internet came, parents weren't prepared for it
(understandably) and children of God's true church were hit hard. To me,
there is really nothing shocking or interesting about it. I actually think
it's a bit cruel that it has to be pointed out all the time. I'm not
saying you are, just the existence of the study. The study has helped no one, at
all. It's only fed criticism. What a pointless effort.
"some girl who is "packing" and shoots you in the butt as you try to
run off?"So... You actually think that one is justified in
shooting someone who is running away who groped you?
Just another reason to NOT go to BYU.
Iron RodThis is an old argument. Utah also leads the nation in
having the least access to print versions of pornography and the least strip
clubs per capita. Coincidence then that we lead in online porn subscriptions per
In Utah, are you ( the grabber) afraid of finding some girl who is
"packing" and shoots you in the butt as you try to run off?I
see this ending badly for you. You better still to porn. It is safer.
hide your kids, hide your wife because he is gropping everyone around here! we
gonna find you, we gonna find you! so run and tell that home boy, home boy!
Personal Opinion it is an unfortunate result of pornography.And yes
Utah is number one in accessing on line pornography in the nation.Why?
Dear Mr. Groper,If you read this... now's your chance. Either
turn yourself in, or stop and get help. Talk to a bishop, something. But stop
now and get help. Because if you don't...1) You WILL hurt
someone else who does NOT deserve or want it2) You WILL get caught,
humiliated, embarrassed, imprisoned, etc.You can't help
yourself. You need help. Ask for it. If you don't, someone else gets hurt
and you'll sign your own fate. If you're really smart, you'll
turn yourself into the authorities also. For your sake, it would be better to.
But if you don't, the hammer will fall and hard.Your choice
pal. Respect women, respect the law, respect God. Otherwise, you will absolutely
Is this worth going to jail or prison over and being marked for life, making it
difficult to get a decent job? It is possible to date and get married. Much
safer and just rewarding, (probably more so).
Get your daughter a can of Bear Pepper Spray for her to carry in her purse. You
can get them at Sportsman Wearhouse. One shot in the eyes and mouth should do
the trick. When he is rolling on the ground screaming then call 911 or at least
scream for help.