Groper strikes two more times at BYU

Police investigating 11 incidents on or near campus in 2 months

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  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 23, 2014 3:15 p.m.


    It seems my asking for respect was pointless. You clearly are more humble and more tactful than I am.

  • Kelliebelle66 West Jordan, UT
    March 21, 2014 1:09 p.m.

    More people in Utah are not actually accessing porn than in any other state. My husband worked for a company that provided internet services for hotels. The servers for all these hotels chains around the country and the world are here in Utah. So if you look at all the people who sit in their hotel rooms who are bored surfing porn on the web,depending on where they are staying, it is coming through servers in Utah. There are men here who do view pornography and I think the numbers are about equal per capita to other places in the US and it can be addictive and in some people cause improper behavior to escalate. We have protection software on our systems at home and I have opened a dialogue with my sons about it when they reach a certain age. Besides focusing on it as a spiritually destructive thing I also focus on it as something that can be physically destructive and make it difficult to have a normal physical monogamous relationship. Dr. Oz did a show on that and masturbation that showed physiological and psychological reasons why these behaviors can cause problems that surface in sexual relationships.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 21, 2014 9:29 a.m.

    And Brio, my argment was not in defense of porn. Nowhere did I suggest that porn is "good" or even harmless. The guy may or may not be into it. Who knows, and why is it important to guess this ahead of actual information? I just fail to see why speculating on the matter is helpful. As I've said before, it fits the narrative that many here prefer, which is: Some guy is groping girls? Blame porn and/or Satan in whatever order you prefer. Great; super; now what? I realize it can be tons of fun and very empowering to imagine we know what makes people do the things they do, but that doesn't make it right.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 21, 2014 8:47 a.m.

    Know Live Love, what you don't see is that expressing yourself the way you do comes off as humblebragging. You can't say, essentially, "Oh, I'm not personally better than anyone else, but the set of values, doctrines and cultural idiosyncracies I've centered my life around is the Greatest In The Universe!" without sounding like you're setting yourself on a pedestal.

    Given your beliefs, I would think sharing the gospel with outsiders would be high on your priority list. You might want to reconsider the false-sounding humility and off-putting nature of the idea that Satan thinks Utah is just the most righteous place on Earth. That sentiment may be personally appealing to you, but how can it possibly be useful to anyone else?

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 20, 2014 6:44 p.m.


    Being LDS doesn't make me better than someone else. It makes the WORK I support better than any other work. Why? Because the LDS Church is true. Our Heavenly Father's kingdom is the greatest. His work is. That is what I believe.

    Some of the greatest people live in Utah. Anyone who loves their home might say the same thing about it. I know Utahns and non-Utans who hate it here. I could care less for the pickle-juice attitude. I simply love it here, love people here, and love my faith. I believe great things happen here and Satan works hardest because the greatest work is here.

    But I still believe that members are as prone to the fall as everyone else. We're all subject to temptation and can all fall. But if Satan wants to attack the work, temple work, church service... where better to do it?

    I understand if you think my beliefs are incredible, but I would ask for a little more respect. I could only dream of going to BYU, and I'm not even a grad. But my thoughts are just as valuable as your own.

  • ThornBirds St.George, Utah
    March 20, 2014 1:57 p.m.

    There are many men, all ages and in all walks of society doing this.
    Many women are too fearful to report them.

  • brotherJonathan SLC, UT
    March 20, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    Pepper spray is a good idea for any woman to carry. Replace video surveillance cameras (this kind is only good at 1 meter. Look for someone wearing a wig. Put a reward for information leading to arrest. Pornography is embracing animal behaviors that instinct would have honor as great. If you know someone who wore white gloves on the day in question or sometimes wears a wig: tell on them before their behavior escalates to worse sexual crimes. Demand our elected officials pass a law that makes monitoring sexual offenders, by passive technology, as to time and position 24/7, that is software driven and protects convicted citizen's rights as well as the rest of us. Make monitoring software driven this could do all of the review of data and send warnings to law enforcement if closer review is warranted.
    Some good advice from a concerned citizen. Call Utah Attorney Gen. Reyes and ask if monitoring can be done constitutionally with privacy protected for the convicted sex offender?
    Good ideas should be shared...

  • Brio Alpine, UT
    March 20, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    @ SlopJ30:

    You are correct in stating that not all porno watchers are women assaulters.
    In fact, far from it.
    However, studies indicate that almost all women assaulters are also porno watchers.

    Statistically speaking, there's a very good chance the person committing these crimes probably does indulge in pornography. He might not, but probably does.

    Being involved with pornography NEVER leads to anything good or positive.
    It's a losing battle to argue otherwise.

    @ Northern:

    Anyone who views the actions of this one person as a reason not to go to BYU is truly living in some sort of bubble with their head in the sand. Incidents similar to this exist at literally all sizable universities in the country. Yes, even at USU there in Logan.

    BTW: What are your other reasons "to not go to BYU"? Perhaps you got turned down.
    There are undoubtedly many, many more legitimate reasons in the TO-GO category than there are in the NOT-TO-GO category.

  • The Authority Richfield, UT
    March 20, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    I know this is a serious thing and it's caused some emotional distress for these young ladies, but I can't help but think this is some college kid who thinks he's being funny and not the crime it is.

    What happened to the good ol' days when you wanted to harass coeds, you threw water balloons or shaving cream at them? Or worse yet actually asked them out on a date?

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 20, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    Someone needs to teach this guy some manners.

    "An armed society is a polite society."
    (Robert A. Heinlein in Beyond This Horizon)

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 20, 2014 10:34 a.m.

    That person going to get caught pretty soon. Lets hope so.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Seriously, dude.

    I can't wait for the first pepper spray, or groin kick that puts you down on the ground long enough for police to come.

    Is it worth 3 years in prison and a lifelong felony conviction for a this?

    Get some professional help...reach out...ask for help.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    March 20, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    "Satan fights hardest here... because he has to here. Anyone trying to recover from an addiction will tell you, the moment they start to work to change, the temptations become harder. Satan hates anything good and there are a lot of good people in Utah."

    There are actually physiological responses in the body that explain why overcoming addiction is so difficult. None of them have anything to do with Satan.

  • ericNorCal San Jose, CA
    March 20, 2014 8:21 a.m.

    When I worked out of the KBYU news room in 1993 and covered the crime beat on Campus. Remember Cody Judy at the Marriott Center. I was on the Classical 89 that night at 10 pm and blew off my classes the next day to report the longest story for the TV news the next night. That year 17 ex posers we reported on Campus for the year. Later after BYU graduation and 2 Police Academies UT and CA. Salt Lake PD told me I was too clean to be a cop because, I said I had never drank beer. He didn't believe me and asked me 5 times. I told him I gave the same answer on the Polygraph. He told me a goodie RM like me wouldn't last 2 weeks on the streets of Salt Lake. 6 months later every thing over again this next background Detective wrote me up so dirty he even used my wife's words against me. Don't even get me started on CA they don't even in force the law here. Have been pulled over on my motorcycle and threaten 72 hr phyc evaluation because a good father doesn't give their kids rides.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2014 8:19 a.m.


    What a great post. Thank you.

    As you know as one who has lived in Utah, the opinion expressed is not uncommon. And it does the state, and the LDS religion a disservice.

    Although, I think you probably meant "illogical leaps"

    Regardless, You summed it up perfectly.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 20, 2014 8:14 a.m.

    No guns on campus. Are you nuts?

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 20, 2014 7:56 a.m.

    " . . it is an unfortunate result of pornography . . "

    "Satan fights hardest here . . the best people suffer the strongest challenges . . "

    Oh, the assumptions we make and the logical leaps we attempt to fit a story neatly in to our preferred narrative. Guessing that this guy is a porn addict serves no point whatsoever. Even if you turn out to be correct, that wouldn't mean that porn caused his criminal behavior. If such an addiction exists, it may be just another symptom. Millions of people view porn daily but manage to avoid assaulting actual humans.

    As for the second quote, just stop it already. I'm a native Utahn, BYU grad, and active LDS, and cringe at this kind of self-serving nonsense. These sentiments don't help anyone. All they do is promulgate the prissy, holier-than-thou image I would think we would want to avoid.

    As for the story, I always thought Groper was an amusing, fun-loving sort of guy. He's that blue guy from Sesame Street, right?

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    March 20, 2014 7:20 a.m.

    Maybe the powers that be need to rethink the University's rules when it comes to allowing students the right to self defense. Carrying a firearm or other defensive weapon, which is legal (with a UT CFP) at all state run schools and universities in Utah, is denied the students at BYU and makes these young women targets. These students are responsible adults and should not be denied their basic right to self defense.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    March 20, 2014 6:33 a.m.

    Iron Rod,

    I seriously doubt that Utah leads the nation in the consumption of porn. Remember, that there are a lot of other outlets for porn other than online. Just because Utah is strong in demand for ONLINE porn doesn't mean it leads in porn. With other access for porn very limited, such as print and strip clubs (as has already been pointed out), those looking for porn would have little choice but to access it online. With other avenues in short supply, this is what we would expect.

  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 20, 2014 6:08 a.m.

    Back Talk,

    Well, I agree with you...mostly. I don't think she'll aim low. If she has a gun to defend herself with, she'll probably stop him permanently. I'll add that as reason #3 why he should just stop now.

    Iron Rod,

    Satan fights hardest here... because he has to here. Anyone trying to recover from an addiction will tell you, the moment they start to work to change, the temptations become harder. Satan hates anything good and there are a lot of good people in Utah. Struggling with porn does not a bad person make. The best people suffer the strongest challenges. Utah was never #1 in magazine subscriptions before the internet existed. The internet came, parents weren't prepared for it (understandably) and children of God's true church were hit hard. To me, there is really nothing shocking or interesting about it. I actually think it's a bit cruel that it has to be pointed out all the time. I'm not saying you are, just the existence of the study. The study has helped no one, at all. It's only fed criticism. What a pointless effort.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 20, 2014 5:38 a.m.

    "some girl who is "packing" and shoots you in the butt as you try to run off?"

    So... You actually think that one is justified in shooting someone who is running away who groped you?

  • Northern Logan, UT
    March 20, 2014 12:00 a.m.

    Just another reason to NOT go to BYU.

  • mjkkjk Nowhere, 00
    March 19, 2014 10:53 p.m.

    Iron Rod

    This is an old argument. Utah also leads the nation in having the least access to print versions of pornography and the least strip clubs per capita. Coincidence then that we lead in online porn subscriptions per capita?

  • Back Talk Federal Way, WA
    March 19, 2014 10:23 p.m.

    In Utah, are you ( the grabber) afraid of finding some girl who is "packing" and shoots you in the butt as you try to run off?

    I see this ending badly for you. You better still to porn. It is safer.

  • truth in all its forms henderson, NV
    March 19, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    hide your kids, hide your wife because he is gropping everyone around here! we gonna find you, we gonna find you! so run and tell that home boy, home boy!

  • Iron Rod Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:35 p.m.

    Personal Opinion it is an unfortunate result of pornography.

    And yes Utah is number one in accessing on line pornography in the nation.


  • I know it. I Live it. I Love it. Provo, UT
    March 19, 2014 7:47 p.m.

    Dear Mr. Groper,

    If you read this... now's your chance. Either turn yourself in, or stop and get help. Talk to a bishop, something. But stop now and get help. Because if you don't...

    1) You WILL hurt someone else who does NOT deserve or want it
    2) You WILL get caught, humiliated, embarrassed, imprisoned, etc.

    You can't help yourself. You need help. Ask for it. If you don't, someone else gets hurt and you'll sign your own fate. If you're really smart, you'll turn yourself into the authorities also. For your sake, it would be better to. But if you don't, the hammer will fall and hard.

    Your choice pal. Respect women, respect the law, respect God. Otherwise, you will absolutely fail.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    March 19, 2014 4:25 p.m.

    Is this worth going to jail or prison over and being marked for life, making it difficult to get a decent job? It is possible to date and get married. Much safer and just rewarding, (probably more so).

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 19, 2014 3:25 p.m.

    Get your daughter a can of Bear Pepper Spray for her to carry in her purse. You can get them at Sportsman Wearhouse. One shot in the eyes and mouth should do the trick. When he is rolling on the ground screaming then call 911 or at least scream for help.