@ Ohio Cougar"By the way ChrisB has watched far more BYU sports
than I have this year. Does that make him a closet Cougar?"Short
answer: Yes. He is obsessed with all things blue.
It will be nice to see ChrisB and all the other Ute lovers eat some crow. The
bottom line is that until you routinely beat done the WCC teams by 15-20 points
you shouldn't say anything.By the way ChrisB has watched far
more BYU sports than I have this year. Does that make him a closet Cougar?Obviously, the WCC can play ball and the Ute fans should wait until they
can back up their words with their deeds before speaking.
trueblueBYU, Utah fans can live with 2-12 over the past decade or so. The
question is whether or not you can live with all-time program success? See cut
and paste below from espnBYUFinal Fours0Tournament
Record15-30Championship SeasonsNoneTournament Appearances27UTAHFinal Fours4Tournament Record35-30Championship
Seasons1944Tournament Appearances27We own you 81-64, 20-13,
38-6 Deseret Duel. Live with it.
Things aren't looking good, right now, for the state of Utah. Hope Weber
Re: UofUAnd the truth is that BYU has won 12 of the last 14 against
the Utes so live with it!
At DSBGive it up!
@Uteology - do you always catalogue comments on BYU sports articles? How sad.
I probably didn't comment at all on that prior game, since I usually
don't, win or lose. I'm a BYU fan, but not a BYU homer, and freely
acknowledge they need to improve before fans engage in a lot of chest thumping.
If they led the entire game, that's either true or not, and not subject to
opinion like "they controlled the entire game" might be. As I recall,
they did lead through nearly the entire game. So what?Check the
rebounding stats on whether they controlled the boards. I don't know.
What I know is that in big games BYU chokes more often than they rally. In
nearly all NCAA tourney appearances, they play below their abilities, shoot
horrifically, chuck up desperation 3's far too early, and basically choke.
It has happened again today. Same script as always.I watched the
game. Utah did not control their game, period, by any objective standard.
Anyone may believe differently, and I am free to perceive them as homers for
doing so. I'm not similarly delusional about my Cougars.
@trueblueBYU "The truth comes out. I guess we knew it all along"Yes we did. The truth is still that Utah waxed BYU 81-64.And the truth is Utah was .500 in the WCC playing against the #2 and #4 teams,
while BYU was .250 in the PAC12 playing against the #6, 7 and 8 teams.
LetsDebate, my name is Brad Carter and since I don't know you and you
don't know me, commenting about people you don't know being thin
skinned or questioning people's basketball IQ or "acumen" simply
because they saw a basketball game differently than you is a little over the top
in my experience. I never used the word troll or called someone a coward. Even the most ardent Cougar fans such as Duckhunter, Ed Grady, and
others can be blunt, but they don't resort to personal attacks.As for the game, you can't find a post where I said Utah played well at
any time. They just happened to play worse in the final 5 minutes of both
halves, which is why I compared it to their season tendency. Utah
was ahead in both halves until the last 5 minutes. Implosion, by definition, is
complete collapse, so going from playing poorly to complete implosion in the
final 5 minutes of each half is reflected in the possession scoring log and is
an accurate assessment of the game.
SlopJ30St Louis, MO said:"Another note from the
"Conference of Champions" file . . check out how Oregon State
represented against . . hold on; I need to look again . . Radford (??) in the
first round of the CBI.Not a chance anyone here has any idea where
Radford is or what other four teams finished above it in something called the
"Big South" this year. Hey, I realize that getting up for the NIT or CBI
isn't as easy as getting up for the Big Dance, but I would think that
schools with the gall to refer to themselves collectively as TCOC would show a
little more pride. Either that, or the bottom 75% of the conference
is no better than average teams from mid-major conferences or . . whatever
you'd call the Big South. Aspiring-to-be-Mid-Major? Mid-minor?
Sub-minor?Go Cougs and Zags!!"The PAC 12 is The
Conference of Champions. That is fact. BYU is not in it, move along and
support your two bid conference. No need to be bitter and moan for something you
do not have. A real conference affiliation for all sports.
Wonderful. BYU beat them twice. The truth comes out. I guess we knew it all
I like that quote from Rick Pitino as well. BTW, my name is Scott Wilson,
what's yours? For someone who allegedly has such a strong basketball
background, you sure seem to have thin skin, along with Spokane Ute. If you
know basketball so well, I'm really surprised at your first post when you
indicated the Utes implosion was limited to the final 5 minutes of each half.
Then, you disparage DSB for asserting what everyone else clearly saw as a poorly
played game except for the first 5 minutes. Then, you agree with DSB that
nearly the entire game was crummy, yet continue to berate him even though you
seem to be in agreement. Who's really looking for an argument here?I wonder if the irony really escapes as you and Spokane Ute belittle
those who disagree with you as trollers and cowards, then decry the lack of
civility as though you are not participants.
@DSBAnd in line with the thinking of all great coaches, as soon as
SMC took the lead, GAME OVER, according to Uteology. Heck, why even play the
game from that point?-----------No, it's not
according to me. It's according to statistics using data from 1,782 NCAA
games. I am not sure how accurate it is, you'll have to contact the
researcher. Source: Modeling Win Probability for a College
Basketball GameIn fact, according to the research BYU was more
"in control" of the Oregon game back in December, before they also
choked. I don't recall you making such a fuss then when your fellow
Cougars were making comments as such:"I was at the game... It
was a very hard loss to accept for a Coug fan... Reasons: BYU led the entire
game and controlled the glass... At least they did in the first half until the
pac12 zebras decided that Oregon wasn't going to win with the 2 BYU Bigs
still in the game... If either Austin or Mika finish Regulation, BYU wins."
Solomon LeviAlpine, UTUteology"Are you really
going back into WAC play to pull out some wins,..."Why not?The Utes go back into WAC play to pull out the last time the Utes really
made some noise in the NCAA tournament.------------Utah
was in the Sweet 16 in 2005. If you don't define that as making noise then
you'll need to go back to 1983 when BYU did diddly.You want to
go back 2 conference affiliations to show your superiority? Feel free, but
neither program is close to what they were in the WAC. BYU owned Utah with WAC
talent, since then it's been all Utah.
Another note from the "Conference of Champions" file . . check out how
Oregon State represented against . . hold on; I need to look again . . Radford
(??) in the first round of the CBI.Not a chance anyone here has any
idea where Radford is or what other four teams finished above it in something
called the "Big South" this year. Hey, I realize that getting up for the
NIT or CBI isn't as easy as getting up for the Big Dance, but I would think
that schools with the gall to refer to themselves collectively as TCOC would
show a little more pride. Either that, or the bottom 75% of the
conference is no better than average teams from mid-major conferences or . .
whatever you'd call the Big South. Aspiring-to-be-Mid-Major? Mid-minor?
Sub-minor?Go Cougs and Zags!!
Spokane, you and I have tried to be measured, reasoned, and pretty low key about
our posts, acknowledging the Utes were awful and there is no dignity in their
last two performances.Apparently, accuracy of fact is irrelevant in
the world of online threads. People resort to name calling, IQ questioning, etc.
simply because they disagree over the particulars of a game. I've been
watching and playing basketball for over 40 years, so those kinds of personal
attacks have no place in any dialog, especially not about sports.I
like what Rick Pitino recently said about social media...he equated the harshest
critics behind a screen name as cowardice. Enjoy the games today!
@DraperUteWow, we have really hit a nerve by defending our team and
stating our opinion on the game. Consider the source my Man. Certain individuals
troll these boards looking for an arguement, even when there's none to be
had. I'm going to go watch some hoops. Have a good one Guy!DRB
& LetsdebateGet you facts straight in the futute; that would be
a good starting point!
DSB, I never said Utah was in control of the game. Go back and read my previous
posts, I said Utah wasn't mentally or physically tough, their offense was
chaos with all the turnovers, Delon Wright dribbles to much...etc., etc.
I've not said one positive thing about Utah's performance and did not
split hairs over who was in control of the game. Utah played
terribly and they lost, end of story. Does that sound like "reach so deep
to manufacture a shread of dignity after that debacle?" Utah lost to a team
whose center couldn't dunk the ball on a breakaway. There is no dignity and
nothing positive to pull from that game. Apparently you won't
be happy until you not only rub everyone's face in the loss, but you
continue to argue who was "really in control."
@DSBWhen did I ever "call the entirely sloppy play through all
but the first 5 minutes, including poor shooting and record-high turnovers,
being "in control" of the game."?When did I ever say
"Utah controlled the whole game"?Utah played a decent first
half and a horrible second half. It was a pittiful way to end the season.
I've never said anything more than that. In the future, I would appreciate
you getting your facts straight prior to calling some one out and making false
accusations. Thats weak suace guy!Good Grief!
@Draper Ute Fan - you and Uteology and Spokane Ute can call the entirely sloppy
play through all but the first 5 minutes, including poor shooting and
record-high turnovers, being "in control" of the game. Everyone else
who actually understands x's and o's is laughing that anyone would
claim to be in control of that game, except for 5 minutes for the Utes and 10
minutes for the Gaels.Apparently, while SMC is totally dismantling
Utah, starting with about 8 minutes to go, you all still think Utah is in
control, just because they managed to hold the lead until the 4:03 mark. And in
line with the thinking of all great coaches, as soon as SMC took the lead, GAME
OVER, according to Uteology. Heck, why even play the game from that point?You guys keep telling yourselves that Utah controlled the whole game.
Everyone else is laughing that you have to reach so deep to manufacture a shred
of dignity after that debacle. There's a big difference between
leading a game and controlling a game. That none of you understand it does not
make me a BYU troll. It just exposes the homers.
DuckhunterHighland, UT@ken"We deserve better than
this....We deserve to have a team that is winning games in the
tournament..."No you don't. You are getting exactly what
you "deserve". What is it that makes yo think you "deserve"
anything? What is it that makes you think utah "fans" "deserve"
that more than any other fanbase. The fact is there are always going to be bad
teams and programs and utah "fans" don't "deserve" any more
than any other schools fans deserve. What a strange thing for you to say._________What is strange is your response. Sounds elitist
and utopian and the same time. Everyone is equal!!! Nobody is better than anyone
else. Whatever.And who are you to say that a poster that supports the Utes
gets exactly what they deserve?
@Marked it DownSo when Gonzaga lost by two, Utah barely squeeked by.
When Gonzaga one by two, no mention of "barely squeeking by"? Now
that's curious. I hate to bust your bubble, but I'm a fan of both
teams. You will have to keep looking to find an arguement; sorry. ScoresI totally agree, Utah needs to amp up there schedule.
I've said that before, I was merely pointing out that Utah beat Gonzaga the
last time they played.@Draper Ute FanSpot on a usual. I
have noticed that a lot of these so called BYU fans troll the Utah threads
looking for an arguement. That's there M.O. To each his own. Go Utes!
DSB, Utah led by 13 late in the first half and had a double digit lead through a
good portion of the second half. Like most Ute losses this year,
they imploded in the last 5 minutes of the first and second half. You are splitting hairs over the definition of "in control." Having a
comfortable and mostly double digit lead for 30+ minutes of the game is what
Utah enjoyed, however you choose to define that.They choked and
lost...the only outcome that matters.
It doesn't take a research specialist to watch the contest and easily
conclude that Utah was not "in control the entire game." Maybe you just
have a different definition of being "in control." If the Utes were
truly in control, they would have held SMC in check and widened their lead. As
poorly as SMC was playing, if Utah was in control they should have built a
30-point lead before SMC came alive with about 8 minutes left. If they were in
control until the 4:03 mark, we would have to assume their horrific shooting,
turnovers, and SMC's comeback were all part of the Ute's controlled
plan.After 5 minutes, there was no control whatsoever - just a lead
they were lucky to hold onto for another 30 minutes.I hope that
See skywalker I told you:'we owned you in the MWC' by
definition means its okay to talk about 1999. But you went 'way back'
to 1996. Funny how that works huh?But like Solomon Levi pointed out,
if the WAC days are off the table because they are too far into the past, then I
gues there goes the 1998 hoops season.
Uteology"Are you really going back into WAC play to pull out
some wins,..."Why not? The Utes go back into WAC
play to pull out the last time the Utes really made some noise in the NCAA
tournament.(No MWC team has ever gotten past the Sweet Sixteen.)Just because the Utes didn't do anything pre-BCS era, doesn't
mean that college football history before 2004 is irrelevant.btw,BYU has more 11+ win, Top 15 seasons, DURING the Bronco era, than Utah
has in their ENTIRE history.It's laughable that a team that has
only been to ONE bowl game since joining the PAC 12, would be bad-mouthing a
team that's played in 9 straight bowl games. You do realize, don't
you, that BYU's current bowl streak is already equal to the longest bowl
streak in Utah history?Didn't think so.
@skywalker1996? Really? Are you really going back into WAC play to
pull out some wins, why not just include the entire WAC era because that is as
relevant today as 1996? Are you really that desperate?BYU BCS Era
Resume:* No undefeated seasons* No BCS bowls* No BCS
Bowl wins* No top 10 finishes (required to make BCS bowls)* Losing
record against BCS teams* Losing record against equivlent teams: Utah 3-9,
TCU 2-5, Boise 1-3* Losing record against PAC-12 teams (12-14)* 62%
of BMs total wins were against teams with a losing record@DSBAccording to data I found, usually when a home team is down 3 with 5 minutes
remaining, 50-47 Utah at that point, then the likelihood of the home team
winning is about 40%. 4:03 SMC 52-50... GAME OVER ... since about
70% of the time home team wins in that scenario.I hope that helps!
@ekute"lol. Your team lost to Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific, and
Loyola Marymount, all of whom finished below Saint Mary's...."I should point out that all four of the teams that you mentioned had higher
RPI ratings than 9 of the teams that your team beat... That's right, 7 of
the teams that fell to the mighty utes on the mighty utes home floor (the only
place that they could pay at a Division 1 level) had RPIs over 200 and 2 others
weren't even Division 1 teams... Take away those 9 wins then what kind of
record would the utes have had??? Y'all would not have even been a .500
team.Truth is that if the utes were in the WCC they would have
finished roughly at the same place they did in the big bad pac12... St.
Mary's was a 4th place team and you lost to them... nuff said.
Wow, Spokane Ute comes in with a low key comment stating a simple fact and gets
clobbered for it. Must have hit a nerve. Neither BYU or Utah have had great
success against the Zags, but lighten up a little. Three pile ons for a simple
statement of fact? Increasingly, I'm wondering about the age
of some of the posters who get a little too fired up for reasoned and measured
debate. Many of us enjoy the banter and can even get a little riled up
sometimes, but Spokane Ute is one of the most low key and emotionally
dispassionate posters here. While "the answer is obvious"
to some of you, the answers in truth are rarely obvious, which is why the games
are played, why the Big Dance is the greatest success story in sports, and why
we all lament our brackets being blown to bits after one weekend.Lighten up a bit people! It is a game!
@CougarSunDevilYou're flip-flopping, you said survey and you
never said "some" Ute fans: "Of course, Utah fans are
thrilled because the BYU game was their post season game. I believe DN did a
survey and Utah fans would rather beat BYU than go to the post season. Utah fans
should be the happiest in the world!"I would agree with you
about "some" fans, just like "some" fans and players on your
side like Lenny Gomes and Max Hall -- neither players post-games comments were
about about how excited they were about their upcoming bowl, instead it was
about their love for Utah.No idea what the poll asked, since the
link to the poll no longer exits. I remember this nonsense claim from BYU fans
and what I said today is what Ute Nation told you last year. Again,
I ask you if that is true then why did we cancel the series. If that's
true the why is KW on the hot seat considering he keeps beating BYU.Move on, beating BYU isn't that special. We do it every year.
Even in High School Loveridge was not an end of a game guy!
Chris B. Where is all your posts now. You just got worked by a WCC team.
It's always better to post after the results are in. I myself have been
burned by this. You just have to accept the fact that The Utes are a below
average team in the PAC12…just like in football. It may take the Utes a
few years to succeed, but then again it may never happen!The WCC is
just as good a conference, in basketball, as the PAC 12. This year they may be
a little down but usually they are as good or better than the PAC12. Live with
Can't believe I just lost an hour of my life reading this mind numbing
drivel. Regarding the game I was very surprised that Utah even had a lead
against St. Marys. St. Marys must have been really playing bad ball the first 30
When most of the team is playing 40 minutes, and nothing but a disastrous
meltdown is happening, one novel solution would be to bring some fresh players
off the bench and see what they can do ...i.e. Fields, VanDyke. I don't
think either Loveridge or Wright are end of game "go to" guys after 35
plus minutes. It was embarrassing.Let's see if the Cougs are any
better against a mediocre Oregon team.
@Uteology - so, when SMC was whittling down the Utes' double-digit lead for
five minutes before the 4:03 mark, is that part of the game where Utah was under
control, simply because they led? The Utes built a nice lead at the beginning
of the game, but for the next 25 minutes no one was "in control."
Either team should be embarrassed to claim control of those minutes of that
terrible game, and anyone watching could tell that both teams and coaches were
frustrated at the inability to control any aspect of the game until about the
final 8+ minutes.And, the Utes didn't beat a single football
team by more than a touchdown except Weber State, and ended up losing 7 games.
Several of those teams were mid-level teams "like BYU" and were
certainly no cakewalk for the Utes, even the games they won. You say teams
"like BYU" were no problem, but every team except Weber State was a
challenge.All this chest beating to demand bragging rights for
mid-level athletic programs (Utah and BYU) is pretty pathetic.Let's hear it everyone - We're #45! No, WE'RE #45!
"I'm just sayin why don't the utes play Gonzaga next season in
Spokane."The answer is obvious.Every Utah fans knows
if the Utes can't beat Washington St on the road, the Utes have absolutely
no chance of winning a game in the Kennel, the Spectrum, or the Marriott Center.
Spokane Ute"The last time Gonzaga played Utah,"The Utes barely escaped losing to the Bulldogs at home.Utah has
lost two of three versus Gonzaga during the Mark Few era.2002 - L
52-71 Lahaina, HI2007 - L 59-61 Spokane2008 - W 66-65 SLCThe last time Utah beat Gonzaga in Spokane - Dec. 23, 1938, 34 years before
Mark Few was born.Just sayin.....
Spokane,I don't care who won back then....I'm just sayin
why don't the utes play Gonzaga next season in Spokane. And since
you're close home, you could go. It would certainly help the u's SOS.
If the utes don't man up next year, rest assured...they will NOT go
At ScoresThe last time Gonzaga played Utah, they got beat. Just
Skywalker:Take note: this could represent the collective beginning
to redefine the line between recent and ancient history as the first year of the
MWC. It used to be 2004. Well for football that is. Basketball is a completely
different story. It's only before 1998 that matters. I know it's
confusing; hope this helps.
I think the result would have been the same if u had been playing at San Diego
or SF! Why don't you schedule Gonzaga next year in Spokane?
Old but notIf you go to NBAdraft.net and click on "top 100 big
board"I believe you will find it actually does go to 100
DownI don't believe I said that. Obviously your desire to tear
down Delon is greater than your desire to be truthful.
@Down underUtelogy, the conference IS NOT the rest of the country
just so you know. Please remove your crimson glasses and a few layers of pac
stickers and you will se more clearly.-------------Why
don't you make me see clearly. Provide me some sources that agree with
your analysis of Wright.My research shows that most mock drafts have
Wright as a late first round pick. He still needs to develop his game, in
particular his outside shooting but as of today he's a prospect. Don't let your envy cloud your judgment. Just like it did with the
Uteology,First comment: "The poll was about finishing 5-6 and
beating BYU or losing and finishing 6-6 and going to a meaningless bowl
game."Second comment: "You actually think Utah would give up
a Sugar Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, Sun Bowl, or even a Vegas Bowl for a win over
BYU?"So your first comment was wrong or not? Did you make an
uninformed off the cuff remark or were you intentionally being a politician? "Your using a unscientific poll to tell us what we think? Where fans
like you were part of the sample size. Good one!"I said it was a
DN article, not a poll. They were referencing a poll from a Twitter account
(again unscientific) about if Utah would prefer a Bowl game or beating BYU.
Either way, I'm not telling YOU what you think, I'm just citing the
poll and, based on the poll results, it should make Utah fans happy. I
didn't say ALL Utah fans, but I'm pretty sure their are some Utah fans
who would rather win only one game if it meant beating BYU.
Uteology"We chose the money and a step-up in
competition."And several steps down in competitiveness:4-5, unranked3-6, no bowl2-7, no bowl
UteologyU haven't owned anything!15 of the last 18
head-to-head games were decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or
in overtime.Winning a slight majority (8 of 15) of those close games
doesn't prove anything.Since 1996:BYU - 5
conference championships, 7 Top 25 finishes, 4 Top 15 finishes, 1 Top 5
finishUtah - 4 conference championships, 5 Top 25 finishes, 2 Top 15
finishes, 2 Top 5 finishes
Can't believe the ridiculous Ute fans who were posting trash talk at
half-time last night. Would love to have seen their jaws drop to the floor as
they watched the last ten minutes of the game. That being said, I feel bad for
the players and the organization--they've come a long way since the
five-win season a couple of years ago. Tough to see the year end with the
Arizona thrashing and this game they let get away.
skywalker speaks volumes of truth. Please accept that the utes are not
that good and move on to next season. Maybe the admin will come to their senses
and actually prepare their team for tough competition, including the WCC.
Veritas AequitasFruit Heights, UTUteologyGo to a
bowl, or make the dance.Very simple.Mo more drawn out
excuses. You chose the money.------------We chose the
money and a step-up in competition. Just like TCU.Are you saying
BYU would not accept an invite from the Big 12 if the discussions completed
Pocy,So I guess strength and shooting are not require in the NBA.
Interesting.Utelogy, the conference IS NOT the rest of the country
just so you know. Please remove your crimson glasses and a few layers of pac
stickers and you will se more clearly.
@CougarSunDevil"I have no problem that BYU fans would rather go
6-6 and lose to Utah in order to face a team like UTEP in New Mexico (see
2010)."Or like when BYU went to a bowl game in 2011, 2012, and
2013, wherein Utah failed to make a bowl in 2012 and 2013?-------------Irrelevant, we play in two different leagues.TCU failed to make a bowl game in 2013 after dominating the MWC with
multiple top 10 finishes. Utah went to 11 straight bowl games, 11-1 with 2 BCS
wins.Utah, TCU, and BYU had 6-8 built in wins each year in the MWC.
The difference now is that Utah and TCU play a "real
schedule", BYU does not. This year I am predicting BYU will go 10-2 at
It's interesting how Utah fans belittled BYU fans incessantly the past
three years about how easy it was to play in the "high school" gyms of
the WCC, yet the first time the Utes ventured into such a gym, they folded like
a flimsy house of cards.The weak little Saint Mary's Gaels beat
the Utes by as much, 58-70, as Oregon 68-70, Washington 57-59, Washington St
46-49, Colorado 79-75, and Stanford 60-61 did COMBINED.
UteologyGo to a bowl, or make the dance.Very simple.Mo more drawn out excuses. You chose the money.
@CougarSunDevilYour using a unscientific poll to tell us what we
think? Where fans like you were part of the sample size. Good one!The comments in the article were clear what Ute Nation thought. Take your
time to read them. You actually think Utah would give up a Sugar Bowl, Fiesta
Bowl, Sun Bowl, or even a Vegas Bowl for a win over BYU? If that's so then
explain why we canceled the series?BYU had NOTHING to do with why
Utah failed to make a bowl game in 2012 and 2013. We're having problems
competing in the PAC-12 not competing against teams like BYU. BYU has 6-10
built in games each year, just like we did when we were in the MWC and went to
10 straight bowl, so it's not difficult to make a bowl.@DSBUtah lead until the 4:03 point in the 2nd half. With 21 turnover
leading to 22 points. Utah played sloppy, this was their 5th game they blew a
big lead in the 2nd half. We choked, but SMC deserves all the credit for being
the aggressor.@TroyTownPAC-12 officiating? We OWNED you
in the MWC.
pocyUte-My bad...I rechecked the [NBADraft] Big Board and Wright is
at 65.Please accept my profuse and abject apologies.
pocyUte"Downunderonce again, you are incorrect.Delon
is 65th on the NBAdraft.net big board."Disagree that Downunder
is wrong. The big board at NBAdraft.net only went to sixty. Wright
was at #9 for his class....but remember the big board includes ALL of the
potential early departures (Zach Lavine #11 and Kyle Anderson #14, for example)
and full-term seniors (like Doug McDermott).
All Talk!When it comes to winning road games in front of raucous
crowds in small gyms, the Utes are all talk, but no walk.As soon as
the Gaels turned up the pressure and started hitting a few shots in the final 8+
minutes of the game, the Utes collapsed like the road weaklings they've
proven themselves to be.UteologyNno other conference in
the country has generated more controversy because of conference homer
refereeing than the PAC 12. It's blatantly obvious why the PAC 12 insists
on having its own referees for all non-conference games and it's not
because the Pac 12 is concerned about "fairness".
@ekute - for a very good home team to wipe the floor with a very bad road team
is nothing at all to brag about. That people keep bringing up the U's
victory over BYU says a mouthful about either their a high level of insecurity,
or the comic inability to draw a meaningful conclusion about the victory.
Let's see the U wipe the floor with BYU at the Marriott Center, or even on
a neutral floor. I'll say the same thing next year if BYU trounces Utah in
Provo.Show consistency at home and on the road, then make a judgment
about the meaning of a home victory. Until then, being great at home and
terrible on the road makes a single home victory pretty meaningless as an
overall team comparison.@Uteology - the Utes controlled the entire
game? Outside of the first five minutes, how does one control a total train
wreck on both sides? They may have led most of the game, but both teams were
abysmal for 25 minutes. The Utes were totally controlled by SMC for the final
Uteology,"The poll was about finishing 5-6 and beating BYU or
losing and finishing 6-6 and going to a meaningless bowl game."No it wasn't. DN article said specifically "Would Utah football fans
rather beat rival BYU and finish with a losing season or lose the rivalry game
and finish the season with a bowl game?""I have no problem
that BYU fans would rather go 6-6 and lose to Utah in order to face a team like
UTEP in New Mexico (see 2010)."Or like when BYU went to a bowl
game in 2011, 2012, and 2013, wherein Utah failed to make a bowl in 2012 and
2013?"Utah fans are happy beating BYU, it was the BYU fans that
were pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage after yet another loss."Same refs that hooked up my ASU Sun Devils with bad calls. biased? naw...
Any way you look at this game, it was a tough loss. St Marys usually has a
pretty good team and is tough to beat at home. However,when you have a lead and
are seemingly in control of the game and St Marys best 2 players foul out, you
have to close out the game with a win. Obviously, Utah did not do that. Give credit to St. Marys for rallying and winning the game.Hopefully, with the addition of a couple of recruits Utah can figure out how
to turn some of these losses into wins next year.
It’s unbelievable that we still have a few Ute bloggers still in denial,
please go back and read @Cal Coug RPI breakdown of Utah. Those 10 preseason wins
against “cupcake” teams is the reason why Utah looked better than
they really were. And that my friends are why SOS matters. Too bad a few Ute
fans are still in denial. Utah better get with the program and start scheduling
tougher teams in the preseason or else this may happen every year and at the
same time watch BYU go dancing.
Downunderonce again, you are incorrect.Delon is 65th on
the NBAdraft.net big board. He has 2 glaring weaknesses: strength
and shooting. An offseason of strength and conditioning with A LOT of work
shooting in the gym, he can very easily work his way up the list.
Down underSalt Lake City, UTWright is no more an NBA prospect
than Luke Worthington of BYU.Wright is only a prospect on the hill inside
the crimson bubble.Noone else knew about him until the last two
games where he way under performed on national TV. Now more people know about
him and are very unimpressed.------------Enough people
knew about him that he made PAC-12 first team and all defensive team. Your envy shines throw, please keep posting. One suggestion,
maybe you should worry less about Wright being an NBA prospect and sorry more
about Jimmer being an NBA prospect. As of today, he has more DNPs in Chicago
than he did in Sacramento.
WCougarSunDevilThe poll was about finishing 5-6 and beating BYU or
losing and finishing 6-6 and going to a meaningless bowl game. I
have no problem that BYU fans would rather go 6-6 and lose to Utah in order to
face a team like UTEP in New Mexico (see 2010).Utah fans are happy
beating BYU, it was the BYU fans that were pelting PAC-12 officials with garbage
after yet another loss.---------------------------As far
as basketball, SMC was the most embarrassing loss. It was as bad as the
Washington State loss. Just like that game, we controlled the entire game, had
a big lead, and down the stretch folded under pressure. At this point of the
season that should never have happened. SMC is as good as California and we
were able to beat Cal on the road.I'm disappointed in how the
season ended but hopeful going forward with how we were able to compete in the
PAC-12 in all but 2 games. Next step is to figure out how to win on the road.
Excited to see what Chapman and Kuzma bring to the team next year and hopefully
Wright can develop his outside shot over the summer.Go UTES!
Fan in oremI get what you are saying, but I don't think that is
the reason. From all accounts I have heard is that K is very calm in the huddle
when addressing the team. I actually the team yakked down the stretch because
they have done it all year, and they were afraid of doing it again. Hopefully
an off season of working out and working together will help this team develop
some toughness. I love what the team did, and the progress that the
program has made over a short period of time. Finishing .500 in the Pac-12 was
a great stepping stone, but the holes in the team and in the individuals'
games are quite obvious. I except the team to work on that and be better next
All the noise in the small gym must have gotten to the utes.
54-10:You haven't heard any one talk about wright as a first
rounder but according to the experts he's a top 30 pick? If that were the
case wouldn't people be talking about it?Looks like you failed.
Duckhunter is basically correct. Spokane Ute has been a consistently
good example of a Ute fan with class. He usually remains on topic and mostly
stays objective. A great example worth emulating. To their credit,
Draper-Ute-Fan, Great Ute, StGtoSLC and PocyUte are usually not too far
behind.On the far other end of the spectrum, the ultra group which
gets under the skin of many BYU fans with relative extreme bias are... Well, I won't start naming names. But we all know who you are, and so do
you. Please try following the example of some of the above named examples.
Hopefully, some ultra Cougar fans will then follow suit as well. Increased civility needs to start someplace.
The gym may be smaller but the basket ball floor is the same size. Is it not
interesting that the the size of the arena really doesn't matter. Someone
has to lose in these tournaments thank goodness they didn't make the big
dance and really get embarrassed. Good luck next year
54-10, I'm guessing those NBA 2015 mock drafts were drawn up before Delon
laid consecutive eggs in the two most important games of little u's season,
or before he missed 4 out 5 free throws that could have made the difference in
the crimson season against Arizona in the dark cement cavern??? No doubt
he's a good player but I'll wager to guess he doesn't go 1st
round after his performance in the clutch is evaluated. No shame in going lower
though. I wish him well. I even hope he declares for the draft and walks away
from the little red engine that could(n't) while he can.
I was surprised at Utah's athleticism. The Utes were quick to the basket
and pretty good on defense as well. Utah was also disciplined trying to extend
the game, the results weren't effective but they were disciplined. I
don't know if it is that they get nervous, cocky, bad coaching, or
don't have a high basketball IQ. Something is definitely missing, just not
athleticism.I would expect the Utes to be tough next year, but I
have my doubts.
This article will soon be the most commented on article across the Deseret News
site. My input would be that if not for the first page of belittling remarks
towards St. Marys College, their conference, and their gym, etc. from a handful
of arrogant, clueless individuals (all of which would have been denied by the
censors if the policies were enforced evenly across the board) there
wouldn't be a fourth the volume of comments there are. Heck, there
wouldn't be a tenth.
Wright is no more an NBA prospect than Luke Worthington of BYU. Wright is
only a prospect on the hill inside the crimson bubble. Noone else
knew about him until the last two games where he way under performed on national
TV. Now more people know about him and are very unimpressed.
@ ekute:Some correction is needed. You stated "The Utes wiped
the floor with [the] Cougars from tip-off till the final second of the
game."Even though that is completely off-topic, if you saw that
game objectively, you'd know the Utes jumped out to an unusually quick
start and lead. After the first 10 minutes of game time, the point-spread stayed
relatively equal the rest of the game. Also, since BYU played the
only still-undefeated and top-ranked team in the entire country (Wichita State)
to a closer point-spread than against Utah, any basketball pundit would then
realize the Ute game had to have been somewhat of an anomaly (or fluke as some
people refer to it). Otherwise you are insinuating Utah is better than Wichita
State, a statement that would get a person committed to a psycho ward.A more accurate example of someone "wiping the floor" with someone
else would be what Arizona recently did to Utah... beating them by approximately
twice what Utah did to BYU.Note: The article is about a game between
two teams... not gym sizes or conferences. A contest between only 2 specific
@ekuteand yet they are still a #10 in the tournament LOL, but sure you can
keep waving your mighty Pac flag on your car about a game last year at home.
i'm happy for you.
Come on ekute you are in a gray area in your challenge to moderateinmagna. I can't say I've definitely ever seen anything truly
"classless" posted by you, but I'm positive I have. I and most
other people don't bookmark posts made by others. But
regardless of whether there is definitive proof of you being "classless"
I do know that you post to BYU articles frequently, if not habitually. And
rarely is it positive. Usually your posts have an incendiary element to it. You
should be more like Spokane Ute. He tends to be more sensible whilst remaining
loyal to his Utes.I rarely post to Utah articles. This is the most I
ever have. The reason is obvious although I really hold with those BYU fans who
wish that somehow Utah could win and yet Chris B (Legion). and ekute types lose.
" .......Your team lost to Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific, and Loyola
Marymount, all of whom finished below Saint Mary's.....And ha ha, ......
"ek - If you ate all the crow you deserve, the crow bird would
become an endangered species.
It ain't so easy to play in those bandbox gyms of the WCC, especially when
the refs turn on you. Utah seemed to have the game well in hand when I started
watching (early in the 2nd half), but it was all downhill from there.
I can't lie: it's been fun to tease some of you, after the initial
comments about this game. :-) Seriously, though, for the level-headed Ute
fan--which are most of you, despite the inane comments of a few dorks--this game
was a fairly good bellwether for where the Ute program got to this year. You had
some good home wins over teams with good RPI's: Team - RPIUCLA - 14CU - 31BYU - 32ASU - 44But your road
losses were against less stellar competition. Team - RPIWSU -
218UW - 101BSU - 81SU - 40You had a total of 2
road wins this year: Team - RPIUSC - 170Cal - 61So overall, it shouldn't be that surprising to lose to St.
Mary's on the road, with an RPI of 60. It would have been your highest
ranked RPI road win all year. And with the losses to BSU, UW, and WSU in the
rearview mirror, this loss might have been expected. But you clearly made
progress this year. There's no reason to think that won't continue,
and chances are, you'll be dancing next year.
@ken"We deserve better than this....We deserve to have a team
that is winning games in the tournament..."No you don't.
You are getting exactly what you "deserve". What is it that makes yo
think you "deserve" anything? What is it that makes you think utah
"fans" "deserve" that more than any other fanbase. The fact is
there are always going to be bad teams and programs and utah "fans"
don't "deserve" any more than any other schools fans deserve. What
a strange thing for you to say.
@ekuteYou sometimes pretend to be a reasonable sort but it is fun to
see your true colors which always come out in times of frustration and
intensity. You are suffering today and that is how it should be. You have chosen
to support a program that is not very good, we all pay for our choices and you
are paying for yours.
agb AKA Jacker us"You are so right about Wright. It says
something about the level of myopia and hyperbole on the hill when the
"Wright is a 1st round draft pick" talking point flys under the
radar."Haven't heard any comments about Wright's NBA
prospects from the Hill. However, a quick google of NBA 2015 mock drafts shows
Wright mentioned in some of them in the top 30 picks, which according to my math
would put him in the first round. Posting falsehoods under 2
different screen names still doesn't make it true.So as our
good friend would say.Fail
Down under"Fan in Orem,Good call. I watched Coach k*'s face
when they didn't perform and it looked ready to kill. I thought coaches
were supposed to be mentors and build a team up and remain positive. Coach k* is
none of that when things get sour. I wonder if he is just in it to build a
resume for when he wants to jump to a real basketball program. Maybe it is just
that the cameras catch him at a bad time. Also notice that he drinks a lot of
water, probably from yelling too much."Yeah, I think he is
"stat stuffing" his resume. People drink a lot of water for various
reasons, i.e., bladder infections or dry mouth caused by fear/nerves. I suspect
Coach k*'s reason is the latter, since he only leaves the bench at
half-time.*Coach k* is not near the coach as Coach K at Duke.
Suggest using k* instead of K to retain clarity and remove all doubt as to whom
Out of 350 Division I basketball teams, very few have losing records at home.
It is EASY to win a majority of your home games. Therefore, BYU losing at Utah
should not mean that Utah is absolutely better than BYU. BYU only lost one home
game this season, to ISU. By two points. Is Utah as good or better than ISU?
Doubt it.ekute, keep spewing. Even Chris B had the sense to
disappear for the day. Apparently you and Ken don't. Many of us Cougar
fans are laughing and rubbing it in to YOU! Not SpokaneUte and those like him
who post with class. You, and Chris B, and others who continually denigrate BYU
and any other school not in the "Prestigious" Pac-12. We are laughing
hysterically because you got what you deserved. Karma!
Jakarus:You are so right about Wright. It says something about the
level of myopia and hyperbole on the hill when the "Wright is a 1st round
draft pick" talking point flys under the radar.
moderateinmagna,I challenge you to reference the last classless comment
that I posted under a byu article.And who are you calling a troll under a
ekute"are you forgetting that The Utes wiped the floor with your
cougars from tip-off till the final second of the game?"Well,
that was last year (2013). Most people have moved on from that time. The rest of
the country sees BYU as a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament while the country may
or may not have watched Saint Mary's beat Utah by 12 points in the first
round of the Not Invited Tournament. Of course, Utah fans are thrilled because
the BYU game was their post season game. I believe DN did a survey and Utah fans
would rather beat BYU than go to the post season. Utah fans should be the
happiest in the world!
ekuteLayton, UTIt was an ugly, sloppy, frustrating game to
watch. Props to Saint Mary's for their emotional come back. That
doesn't change the facts that the wcc is a second rate gym filled
conference that byu basketball should be embarrassed to be affiliated with
because nobody wants their football team and Utah stomped byu back in Dec. Go
Utes.And you should be embarassed for all the classlees comments that you and
some other so called u fans post on BYU threads the second rate converence you
talk about just kicked your precious utes behinds typical classles comment
from a ute troll
54-10"Loving all this.Keep it coming Cougar
"fans"."Says Chris B. who is the author of how to
"keep it coming".
ek - December is so last year. Welcome to 2014. This is March, where the utes
showed in their two most recent games that it doesn't matter what
conference, team, or gym you play in that you can only cover up the
nation's worst home loaded pre-season schedule for so long. The old
lipstick on a pig theory alive and well in East Salt Lake.
Loving all this.Keep it coming Cougar "fans".
I wish the Utah players well. I hope the cowardly administration lets them play
some good local teams next year, and not teams that will help inflate the win
total to keep their jobs.
jarka-rus,lol. Your team lost to Pepperdine, Portland, Pacific, and Loyola
Marymount, all of whom finished below Saint Mary's.....And ha ha, are you
forgetting that The Utes wiped the floor with your cougars from tip-off till the
final second of the game?
Ken is right and weber is wrong because we are more quality than smaller
confrences so we can brag and put down smaller confrences all we want because
they arent even close to our quality thats why we win them always except for
last night when the refs felt sorry for the smaller Marys team that doesnt have
I had to rewind last night to make sure I heard right. The announcers said that
Utah and SMU were CLEARLY the best teams left out of the NCAA tourney. What?
And, who paid them to say that? I don't recall anyone even talking about
Utah being a bubble team before the selection. This NIT game was right for the
Utes, and right for SMC. SMC played very well at home all year, and
Utah played very poorly on the road all year. Any other outcome would have been
out of character for either team, and a surprise to anyone paying attention. As
I said before the game, anyone who predicted a cake walk for Utah was simply
It was an ugly, sloppy, frustrating game to watch. Props to Saint Mary's
for their emotional come back. That doesn't change the facts that the wcc
is a second rate gym filled conference that byu basketball should be embarrassed
to be affiliated with because nobody wants their football team and Utah stomped
byu back in Dec. Go Utes.
Ken, this article isn't about conferences, it's about last
night's JV tournament round 1 game where the PAC-12's utah showed how
to implode against one of the WCC's most consistently good teams.Don't pretend ute athletics are even close to the normal level of the
PAC-12 conference. They aren't.
Just like the Stanford game, the Byu game was a fluke
Ken"Just don't pretend like the conferences are on even
close to the same level. They aren't."Then it's a good
thing you have a conference to brag about because you don't have a team to
Fan in Orem,Good call. I watched Coach K's face when they
didn't perform and it looked ready to kill. I thought coaches were
supposed to be mentors and build a team up and remain positive. Coach K is none
of that when things get sour. I wonder if he is just in it to build a resume
for when he wants to jump to a real basketball program. Maybe it is just that
the cameras catch him at a bad time. Also notice that he drinks a lot of water,
probably from yelling too much.
@ekuteLOL, one and done in the NIT
I think we can put to rest the silly notion that Wright is a top NBA prospect,
not even close
have said it all season long. the Pac is WEAK! and all the Pac teams in the
tourney will be exposed, especially Zona.
mighty Pac team loses in the NIT to what? a puny WCC team.? LOL
deseret pete - It's both
Utah rulesSalt Lake City, UTWe Ute fans deserve everything
that the BYU fans put out. Many of are very arrogant at times and need to lay
off. I am certain that if we backed off off BYU articles that the BYU fans would
do the same. Chris, you know who we are talking about.You are absolutely correct
the only reason i have so much contempt for the utes now is because of all the
hateful posts by a certain troll who has 10 aka,s and a few others that
constantly come on a BYU thread and do nothing but bash,i used to be a season
ticket holder and a booster for utah but no more, i can,t stand the arrogance
of some of their fans,very classless,i thank you for your sensible post.
Any Ute fans still reading these comments? Coach seems to be a *very* intense
guy. Do you think some of your players are afraid of making a mistake late in
games, because they don't want to be screamed at?
weber state,You're still not getting it. "It's quite
possible that these small schools play a pretty darn good brand of
"quality" basketball" Quality is relative I guess then. They play
quality basketball relative to high school or relative to the big conferences
like the Pac 12? If they played quality basketball relative to the Pac 12, why
wouldn't the #1 big sky team have a good chance at beating the #1 pac 12
team? Don't get me wrong - I usually cheer for Weber State and
most other Utah schools. Just don't pretend like the conferences are on
even close to the same level. They aren't.
2020,Yes BYU and us fans remember we lost to Utah but the team picked
itself up and dusted itself off and beat St. Mary's twice on route to a
invite to the Big Dance!!! Utah had a better season then they have had in years
with some great wins but in the end they lost an important game in a "high
school gym" to a member of the WCC!!! Karma!!!
SpiffSalt Lake City, UTFor all you BYU Homers, which school
destroyed the other school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!Thanks
again Utah for your stupid throw the ball around the perimeter hurl the ball
towards the basket to beat the shot clock offense. How do you lose to a team by
twelve, when you lead by double digits for most of the game? Better find some
offense not just throw the ball around. Most of those turnovers were balls
thrown to no one.Which team has not beaten the other team in 7 yrs [hint] it
begins with a u u pound your chest over 1 win in 7 yrs and then gloat about
typical u fan
Chris B: I guess the WWC is not as bad as you predicated or the mighty Utes is
far worse than you thought --
I want to congratulate Coack K for what he's doing up north. Definite
progress, and they're on the rise. I put the coach and university on one
side and a small faction of Ute fans who spew on the other. Many Utah fans are
realistic. It's a great rivalry that I hope returns (read: football).Good luck next year, Coach, with a team that is getting better.Good luck, Cougars, tomorrow afternoon. If Carlino hits shots and BYU defends
the 3 they have a shot. Their D has gotten much better over the last several
I dont' know what Ute fans were thinking as the comments started here.
They played bad, but St Mary's played utterly terrible. It's not like
Utah was doing anything to beat St Mary's at all. It was all St.
Mary's coming out bored and flat. Even when they got going in the second
half, it's not like they played well. Its just that Utah is bad. That was ugly. Weird that Ute fans are actually trying to boast.
Although Majerus had tremendous success, I was never a fan of the weave style of
offense he ran and Larry currently runs. Unless you set good screens, it is
just running around. The turnovers proved that last night. SMU played the
passing lanes and killed the Utes with turnovers.Loveridge is not a
great player facing the basket. How many drive to the bucket layups did he miss
last night? I would favor an offense more focused on inside/out play, which
might mean moving Loveridge and others to a post position and have our centers
(who played terribly) play the weak side post. The current program
of running around in circles and jacking up 3's or driving to the bucket
and throwing up a prayer or a turnover is not an offense. It is chaos.Also, put Delon Wright in as a 2 and leave BT to run the point. Wright killed
us with turnovers in recent weeks. Way too much dribbling!
KenSandy, UT"@Weberstate - I'm sorry if reality hurts. I
said that the Pac 12 and smaller conferences like the Big sky are miles apart.
..... But if the two conferences aren't miles apart then wouldn't
Weber at least stand a decent chance at beating Arizona? After all, they're
both the best in their conferences. By saying you don't think Weber will
win shows you think there is such a low chance they win - which is indicative of
the conferences being very far apart in quality. And like I said, if reality
hurts - sorry. But I'll keep bringing people back to reality."Typical "crimson crazy" logic. UCLA and AZ (an NCAA #1 seed) are the
PAC-12. The rest are in the PAthetiC-12. Obviously, this is painful for you.
So I would not be putting Weber State or the Big Sky down. So, @WeberState is
not that far off base.
Utah's obviously just a bad team. They were lucky St. Mary's
couldn't shoot the ball otherwise they would have lost by 30 plus. Bad team, plus incredibly boring style.
Sorry Chris and Ken. I think it is time for Utah fans to realize that the reason
they were invited to the PAC was NOT Athletic Prowess or Tradition, but to fill
a space. It might just be time to face reality. Utah may have a good year now
and again, but Utah is Utah.Just get used to the other team Bowling
2020Herriman, UTIt is embarrassing to lose to a WCC team, even
on the road in their high school gym. What gets me by reading these posts is
that I wonder if BYU fan remembers that BYU and Utah did play this year, and
Utah won handily?Yes for the 1st time in 7 yrs or do you have stml[short term
memory loss] i think it will be a much different story next year in Provo
where the Utes have never beaten BYU in the DAVE ROSE era
TFUDD,I see and read you leading the charge of the fair weather fans
jumping off the Utah bandwagon!!! I wonder if the renovations at the HC are to
remove seating for "fans" like you?Go Cougs beat the
@Payito "..It's just a game and it's so funny to see all the
"my dad can beat up your dad" mentality from the utes and
cougars."I agree with you on that. However, the big difference
is that I have rarely ever seen BYU fans dancing on their opponent's grave
(and symbolically their opponent's conference) before the first half was
even over! Seriously, much does that behavior beg for a serious slap down by
the sisters of fate? Or, ironically, the sisters of Saint Mary's.The really comical thing is that, with some of these guys-- Chris B. et al, it
can't be helped. They literally cannot stop themselves from doing it. They
are so obsessed with being better than BYU, and simultaneously so impressed with
their membership in the PAC that they can't see the role their own program
(both major sports) plays in dampening the PAC's supposedly fearsome
reputation. I love comedy, and its rare to see comedy shake out like
this comment thread has evolved.But still I am impressed by the
progress of the Utes this season. As Chris B. said: I didn't see that
@KenApparently, you still don't get it. It's
all about good sportsmanship, fun competition, and mutual respect...not scornful
claims of arrogant conference superiority with "quality" reserved only
for the larger conferences. It's quite possible that these small schools
play a pretty darn good brand of "quality" basketball.So
keep bringing people back to reality...it makes for a nice dish of poetic crow
to be served for the overconfident fan.
In evaluating the u's improvement from game to game isn't it
heartening that they scored more than the
Ha ha! I guess the U now knows how it feels to play in a "cupcake"
conference. I know that logic doesn't play much of a role in some of the
comments here, but the reality is that 4 of the WCC "cupcakes" have a
higher RPI than the U. U just experienced why it's hard to win on the road
in the WCC. So enough about the conference disparity already! BYU showed how to
get to the Big Dance: play a difficult non-conference schedule, learn how to
play and win on the road, and then do well in your conference. The conference
itself is only part of the equation. And in case anyone has forgotten, winning
at Stanford is harder than it looks; just like winning at St. Mary's.
Someone needs to let the utes know that basketball games are 40 minutes long,
not 35 minutes.
We Ute fans deserve everything that the BYU fans put out. Many of are very
arrogant at times and need to lay off. I am certain that if we backed off off
BYU articles that the BYU fans would do the same. Chris, you know who we are
SpiffySalt Lake City, UT"For all you BYU Homers, which
school destroyed the other school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!"I would have thought that reasonable people who consider all the facts would
not get so hung up on the 'scoreboard' in one early season game. Otherwise, you might start thinking your Utes are "equal" to my
Bruins--who smashed the AZ team that annihilated U. I expect that
some on this board will equate a BYU loss vs Oregon tomorrow with the savaging
the U took last night. I would hope that won't happen, but casual
observation suggests that some of the "crimson crazies" will not be
moved. It is a good thing to support one's team through thick and thin,
but a slice of realism is also required.
CB,What you reap, so shall you sow.How do you like your crow? I
cannot think of a better ending to the season for the utes and a even better
ending of ruthless comments directed at the Cougars and the LDS Church.I am not going to be so arrogant as to say that beating Oregon will be easy.
People that know basketball should know better, which is why you have such wild
predictions.I do think however that BYU has a very good chance if
Carlino and Haws play up to their poitential and the bigs hold their own.
Chris B,Pride Goethe before the fall!!! How do you and the rest of the BYU
haters feel about cupcakes and the WCC and the whole high school gym thing
now?Go Cougs beat the Ducks!!! Rise Up!!!
Further proof utes are ignorantly arrogant... they lost to team ranked 4 in the
wcc.. shooting 30% for the first 3/4 of the game with one senior recovering from
pneumonia and the other fouled out for the last five minutes of the game...
probably the worst smc has played in a long while and you STILL couldn't
beat them. Could not be happier about the outcome enjoy your off season
"ute T-shirts for the 2014-15 season: [gym] Size Matters!"Excellent!
Reading the string of comments from Chris B has brought me the best laughs I can
remember. Thanks Chris B!
WOW is about all I can say. I thought SMC would win by more. The utes made the
PAC proud last nigh. SMC is much better than anyone gives them credit for and u
just found out what it is like to play is the WCC. If the utes were in the WCC
they would be about 7th in the conference. I am guessing that there is a
lot of head scratching on the hill and much regret for not challenging their
players more in the preseason.The CROW has landed on the hill and has made
the nest so that there will be plenty of crow for the long off-season.I am
guessing that everyone will be saying, "wait until next year". How many
times do we have to hear it before we turn it off.
The only sad part is - we will never know if utah would have been the 5th best
team in the WCC or the last place team in the WCC. After last night, I suspect
they would have been somewhere near the bottom end. Just from the fact they have
proven they cannot hang for the full 40 minutes. I have an idea - utah needs to
schedule some "cupcake" teams from the West Coast Conference in their
2014 pre-season "cupcake schedule".
I've lived in the East and have seen teams with small gyms and great
reputations. Georgetown. St Josephs, Loyola of Chicago, Temple, Creighton, St
John's, Butler, et al. Absent UCLA and Arizona, no Pac-12 team has ever
been perennially good. It is a football conference. I never went to Washington
basketball games. Nobody cared. Seattle U had more fans.BYU found
out the hard way how tough the WCC actually is. I think it is tougher than the
Mtn was.Its fun for Utah fans to gloat to BYU fans about their
PAC-12 affiliation, but playing home and home against the WCC teams has showed
us how tough it is to win there. Those teams are tough and play very hard. They
always have a couple of teams in the NCAA and Gonzaga is certainly one of the
nation's best teams year in and year out.The WCC is NOT a
cupcake league. BYU found that out, and now Utah has too.
@rlsintx"It was great to see the WCC team come back and derail Utah.
Never, never underestimate your opponent. I'm going out to buy some
cupcakes for the office."Just don't make the same mistake
the utes made and go on the road for those cupcakes or it will end in disaster
for you as well. Lol!
@Dave Matthews, @Spokane Ute "It's amazing how much
angst Chris B has created. The sooner BYU fans consider the source, and
take his comments with a grain of salt the better. One fan's opinion
certainly doesn't represent a fan base. For either program." "I agree on this comment 100%. I used to like the Utes. My Dad
graduated from there. But Chris B and a small handful of other Ute fans has
turned me against them to where I believe Max Hall was right. You always have to
respect your opponent even though you don't respect their fans. For both
sides one or two arrogant fans can make the whole fan base look stupid."I also agree with both of you. I respect the Utes and their program. I
have seen Chris B. make thoughtful comments in the Faith section of the D-News;
but, if I select an appropriate suite of adjectives to describe the quality of
his posts on articles regarding Utah or BYU, my post will likely be denied.
Whew...good thing the utes are in the Pac12 and not the WCC. St Mary's is
only our 4th best team. Judging by how they got dominated the last 10 minutes of
the game, the utes would likely be a bottom tier program in the WCC just like
they are in the Pac12.Maybe the NIT was not a good fit for the utes
and the CIT or CBI would've been a better option.
@Spokane UteThe reason so much angst towards Chris B. is because he
goes too far. It’s not just about Utes vs. Cougars but about Non-LDS vs
LDS. I’ve read plenty of his posts on other articles and it's like he
has some quarrel against the LDS church and its people. Hopefully, one day the
rivalry will be just about sports and not religion.
@Weberstate - I'm sorry if reality hurts. I said that the Pac 12 and
smaller conferences like the Big sky are miles apart. Your tried suggesting
otherwise, and yet you don't think your team will win tomorrow. I agree
they wont. But if the two conferences aren't miles apart then
wouldn't Weber at least stand a decent chance at beating Arizona? After
all, they're both the best in their conferences. By saying you don't
think Weber will win shows you think there is such a low chance they win - which
is indicative of the conferences being very far apart in quality. And like I
said, if reality hurts - sorry. But I'll keep bringing people back to
2 things about Chris B., he's an unwavering Ute optimist and he obviously
hits close to home with his comments under both Utah and byu articles. Props to
him. And Go Utes!
Joe SchmoeOrem, UT said:"LOL. Utah playing its post season
in a high school gym. SMC doesn't seem to want to be there.Not
saying much when the 4th place WCC teams gets a higher seed than the pac12
team."LOL. BYU plays all of it's WCC road games in small
gyms. Not saying much when BYU also loses games on the road as well.
And has lost at home to schools that play in small gyms.
@DraperUteFanCool enough and fair enough. They deserved to be in the
NIT, but certainly didn't play like it in the second half. Very
dissapointing indeed. Have a good one Guy!@DaveMathewsYep, that's just the way it is. For every Chris B out there, there a worf
or some one who enjoys hunting water fowl. I'm trying to ignore the
extremes and talk sports and on topic with the rational, sports educated folks
on these boards. Take Care!
Huge Ute fan here. The Utes 2 top players have "no-showed" the last 2
games. Wright and Loveridge looked lost and didn't know that it was their
responsibility to put their team on their back. Young or not, they played with
no sense of urgency and did not step up at all. You want to be a leader, you
have to show it. Coach Krystkowiak has done a fantastic job all year long, but
when you have a bunch of arrogant and cocky young players that think a 9 point
lead is safe on the road and decide not execute the offense, you're dead
wrong. These players need to be humbled over the summer and off-season. No
GUTS, No GLORY. I hope the 2 Freshman coming in make a huge impact next year
(Kuzma & Chapman). And we better get back-up PG or starting PG. Taylor is
too small, but love the kids heart. Maybe next year, but this team needs LOTS
Chris B, You make it too easy for us BYU fans.haha All
BYU fans have heard all season is Pac12, Mid-major, high school gym, etc. BYU on a down year last year went to the NIT Final Four. BYU on a
down year this year is a 10 seed in the NCAA tournament. Utah on an
up year was a one and done in the NIT against a "mid-major" in a
"high school gym." I think I might buy a lifted truck and
put a big WCC sticker on the back just to show everyone what conference my team
is affiliated with.
I will say that I picked this one. LOL.
It was great to see the WCC team come back and derail Utah. Never, never
underestimate your opponent. I'm going out to buy some cupcakes for the
oddman"WE talk about the size of the gyms but hasn't anyone
remembered the size of the playing surface is identical whether playing in
Podunksville or Madison Square Garden. The foul line is the same distance, the
three point line is the same etc. The difference is the number of fans who the
place can accommodate (sic), but that matters little if only a handful of fans
show up."I'm having flashbacks from Hoosiers!
ute T-shirts for the 2014-15 season: [gym] Size Matters!
Hey Utes, welcome to the WCC! :)
WE talk about the size of the gyms but hasn't anyone remembered the size of
the playing surface is identical whether playing in Podunksville or Madison
Square Garden. The foul line is the same distance, the three point line is the
same etc. The difference is the number of fans who the place can accomodate,
but that matters little if only a handful of fans show up.
ekuteLayton, UT"Dear Saint Marys,Utes Basketball and
it's fans are nothing like byu."Let me finish it for you
ek:They can actually beat you occasionally in your gym.Oh, and they respect you and your program.
Spokane, they may have deserved it, but perhaps I'm wishing they
hadn't made it in to lay the egg they did. St. Marys is well coached and
played hard, but the talent on that team, even by their standards, was down this
year. The Utes looked lost the last 8 minutes of the game.The Utes
fell apart in the AZ game and clearly never psychologically recovered. The only
way the NIT helps a team is if they win and keep practicing. This loss may hurt
more than help this young and fragile group.I always enjoy your
posts! Glad to see some thoughtful and reasonable posts.
Spiff,"For all you BYU Homers, which school destroyed the other
school earlier this year? SCOREBOARD!"Which team is playing in
the NCAA tournament and which team just got beat by a "cupcake team in a
high school gym"? This goes to prove that the BYU game is the only game that
matters to Utah fans. They can lose in the first round of the NIT while BYU goes
to the NCAA tournament, yet still think they are the very best because of a win
in December on their home court. Utah vs. BYU = Utah's
Terrible loss by the Utes, not going to rub it in; however, the first page of
comments is absolutely priceless. A little advice, I wouldn't start
thumping my chest until there's all zeroes on the clock.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT"The sports world forgets that the WCC
even exists because other than Gonzaga no team has really done much in
decades."Just wanted to remind everybody what the defacto U
spokeswoman was quoted as saying just yesterday.
@Spokane Ute "It's amazing how much angst Chris B has created.
The sooner BYU fans consider the source, and take his comments with a grain of
salt the better. One fan's opinion certainly doesn't represent a fan
base. For either program."I agree on this comment 100%. I used
to like the Utes. My Dad graduated from there. But Chris B and a small handful
of other Ute fans has turned me against them to where I believe Max Hall was
right. You always have to respect your opponent even though you don't
respect their fans. For both sides one or two arrogant fans can make the whole
fan base look stupid.
@KenWe aren't the one's bragging and showing poor
sportsmanship against a conference and their schools like you. Weber will most
likely lose, but our fans tend not to disrespect our opponents. And like what
happened to the Utes last night, perhaps you can learn a valuable lesson about
good sportsmanship and respect.
For all you BYU Homers, which school destroyed the other school earlier this
year? SCOREBOARD!Thanks again Utah for your stupid throw the ball
around the perimeter hurl the ball towards the basket to beat the shot clock
offense. How do you lose to a team by twelve, when you lead by double digits
for most of the game? Better find some offense not just throw the ball around.
Most of those turnovers were balls thrown to no one.
@DraperUtefanGood post but I have to disagee on one point. Utah
certainly deserved a NIT bid. There record, rating, ranking, etc. justified
that. They played horrible, and laid an egg at the worst possible time; but they
certainly belonged in the NIT. It's just unfortunate they played so
awful.Oh well, here's to Gonzaga making a nice tourney run.
Things to work on for next season:Lay-ups. All season Delon was the
only one who could finish taking it to the rack and even he was pitiful last
night, especially the one where he slowed down and tried a dipsy-doodle reverse
hoping for an "and 1." In Wright's defense, though, the
game-changing call when everything was falling apart was the offensive foul
called on him that was clearly a block. Turnovers - Looked like
Boylen's teams.Onwas' foul shootingOlsen's defenseEveryone boxing out - quit giving up so many
offensive reboundsSchedule - don't schedule any home games in
the pre-season. Okay, one or two maybe. The rest road games. If they are
serious about humbling themselves and making weak things become strong (Ether
12:27), go play BYU, Weber State, Utah State, UVU, Gonzaga, New Mexico at their
places and beg St. Mary's for a pre-season rematch in Moraga.
@Payito "The cougar fans need to be ready for the onslaught from the utes if
they lose to Oregon tomorrow."I don't think you will see
Cougar fans being so ARROGANT like so many of the Utes were with their pre-game
predictions. I think we will respect the Ducks. Without Collingsworth I think
it will be a tough game for the Cougs.
Last two games were embarrassing! Only score 39 at AZ, blow a huge lead to
St.Mary's. If teams are sleeping or from DII, Utah can win. Lot of work
to do to get to the middle of the PAC 12.
@AZ Palm CougVery nicely done; well put. It's nice to see an
actual rational comment from a BYU fan, as opposed to the ha ha ha comments. It's amazing how much angst Chris B has created. The sooner BYU
fans consider the source, and take his comments with a grain of salt the better.
One fan's opinion certainly doesn't represent a fan base. For either
program. I certainly didn't see this loss coming. It reminds me
of how Utah played in Pullman. They laid a big fat Egg! This team has a long
ways to go; and the pre-season games need to amp up. Overall, the season was all
right, and the Utes are heading in the right direction. However, this is a
pittiful and painful way to end the season.
KenSandy, UT"@Weber,We'll see how #1 Arizona
does against #1 Big Sky Weber wont be?After all, shouldn't the #1 big
sky team be on par with the #1 pac 12 team?Like you say, the conferences
aren't that different right?"I guess some folks never
learn. The game still needs to be played. Nick Johnson or Aaron
Gordon blowout an ACL, and who knows what the outcome would be.
Chris B, mark it down right? LOL!To the rest of the Ute fans, not
an easy road game. Don't blame you for being disappointed for blowing a
sizeable advantage but, this is not an awful loss either when looking at the
quality of the opponent.
AZ Palm Coug, very well said and with tremendous class. This is one Ute fan
following the comments this morning and realizing Utah and our fan base deserve
every bit of the comments coming our way. They are well deserved for the stupid
comments early in the thread and before the game was over by Ute fans. The
enjoyment by Cougar fans is well deserved. Utah didn't belong
and didn't deserve the NIT bid. They improved this year, but clearly the
talent, depth, coaching, strength and conditioning, and heart of this team was
challenged and found wanting. No excuses at all, they and our fan base deserve
the crow we are ingesting this morning.Still, nice to see a few
classy Cougar fans showing some restraint. A little sugar with salt in the
wound never hurt anyone.
When I have a hard day or I need to have a laugh I always know I can come to the
DesNews sports section and watch the Utes & Cougar fans tear into each
other. For some perverse reason I almost always get a laugh from reading these
comments. Living down here in AZ where the AZ Wildcats and ASU Sun Devils
always go at each other we know what it's like to have a great rivalry. In
Southern CA where I grew up we always had USC and UCLA to knock heads with each
other. But of all the rivalries I've seen around the land, when it comes
to nastiness - there's nothing like Utes and Cougar fans and their constant
jabbing at each other. Today's comments are a perfect example of what
I'm trying to describe.I'm having the best laughs
I've had in a good while reading through all of the posts on this article.
Keep it up!
St. Mary's halftime pep talk - just showed his team the comments on this
board at halftime
WOW! Lots of early game talk that went pretty silent...The crows
were calling his name though Caw
How to choke on a cupcake in ten minutes or less...
"We'll see how #1 Arizona does against #1 Big Sky Weber wont
be?"Well, if the little Wildcats stay within 30 of the big
Wildcats, they will have outperformed the Utes. Right?
I wanted the Utes to win, yet wanted Chris B to lose. Just so I could come read
these comments. Better luck next year! Go Cougs!!
I have to keep in mind that there is no relationship between boorish comments
posted here by the Ute and Cougar fans blinded by hatred for one another and
class athletes at both schools who have to put their game on the floor each time
out. The bottom line is St. Marys is a perpetual NCAA Tournament team with a
lot of talent and great coaching. There is no shame in losing to them. Utah
will be back and get better every year. Cougar posters should save their
comments until "after" the Oregon game. It would be the sign of a new
enlightened age to have posters comment on the game and not on each other's
follies.From a loyal Cougar, I offer my sincere congratulations to
the remarkable progress Utah has made this season. You are a program on the
rise. If we keep a real and healthy perspective, we see only remarkable
improvement by hard working athletes, worthy of our praise.
Payito, you're missing the BIG difference here - You don't see a
single BYU fan disparaging Oregon (reference pre-game comments and in game
comments on this article) and I'm guessing you won't see a single BYU
fan proclaiming victory in the first few minutes of the game tomorrow.You're right, the utah regulars will be right there when BYU likely loses
to Oregon, which is all the more ironic considering their team couldn't
beat what u 'fans' called a cupcake team from a cupcake conference in
a cupcake gym in round 1 of a JV tournament.Nice comparison of
apples and oranges whem it comes to THIS article though
Even though these comments are on the first page I think we need to see them
again:Lifelong UteSalt Lake City, UTIf we play our
"B" game that should be enough to get by an average west coast team. Our
"B" game earlier was enough to destroy the second best wcc team.Chris BSalt Lake City, UTBeatdown! Lol. The gap
between the PAC 12 and wcc is huge!Utah 100% record over wccPAC 12 8-2 against the wcc cupcakes.UteNationAlumCottonwood Heights, UTSo this is what it's like to play in the
WCC...Chris BSalt Lake City, UTWell, that was pretty
easy. Utah's domination of the wcc continues. Go
utes!Chris BSalt Lake City, UTI'm so glad we don't
play our whole conference season in tiny high school gyms!But if all
we cared about was padding our record, this conference would be nice to join.No thanks though, I'll stick with our wonderful Pac 12!Utah 1.000 record against WCC cupcakes
I just love reading chrisb's narrative through the course of the game...I wasn't sure that I understood the "one and done" talk
that the ute fans had been filling the BYU boards with, but now I think that I
get it....That was such a great game... So let me see... the utes
lose to a fourth place wcc team who's all league Center played less than
half the game... The utes down hill season really picked up some
momentum towards the end didn't it??? Now that the utes season
is in the rearview mirror one can really see how bad it was... 20 wins with 9 of
them coming from teams that either weren't even in Division 1 or had RPIs
higher than 200 (to match their SOS)... BTW, how did this team even make the
Actually, the PAC 12 made the utes look better than they are.
@ Chris B"I admit I didn't see that coming. This would be a bad
bad loss to a cupcake team in a cupcake conference."In a
collision of cupcake teams (your terms not mine) one is bound to lose and look
bad in the process. Utah built its record this year on playing cupcakes at the
Huntsman Center. Its whole season reflects the fact that it was not prepared to
play tough late in games. For all your ballyhoo about how well the Utes have
done this year, they consistently lost away from home because they hadn't
developed the mental toughness that comes from playing in tight games in
difficult venues. Basically, they were mentally soft and late in games this was
very clear. They caved and fell apart.Good on Saint Marys for
having grit and toughness late in the game. Saint Marys played a real schedule
in spite of so-called high school facilities they play in. Merely being in the
PAC 12 means nothing until you actually compete. Instead of "marking it
down" and "LOL", Chris, why not demand that your coach and athletic
director schedule games against real competition in the preseason.
I'll call itOgden, UT"Who do the the Utes play
next?"For sure it won't be a varsity team, and for sure it
won't be away from the dark concrete cavern, and positive it won't be
during the 2013-14 season.
I have never understood why some of you folks insist on commenting during the
course of a game, especially the gloating. Then, once your gloats turn on you,
you don't have the gumption to admit you folly. Let the games play out,
make appropriate comments and enjoy the outcome if it goes your way.
It's just a game and it's so funny to see all the "my dad can beat
up your dad" mentality from the utes and cougars. The cougar fans need to be
ready for the onslaught from the utes if they lose to Oregon tomorrow. What goes
around comes around. It's just a game and doesn't prove anything of
Hugh G. Hater"Crow, party of one, your table is ready."That, is hilarious!
When you play PAC 12 basketball,--how do you commit so many turn overs, and lose
to a cupcake team from a cupcake conference, in a high school gym?Pride precedes the fall.
Utah played terrific the first 5 minutes. SMC played terrific the final 10
minutes. In-between, a whole lotta ugly by both teams. If either team actually
shows up for the full 40 minutes, they blow the other totally off the court.
Very poor representation by both the PAC 12 and the WCC, although those last 10
minutes really were impressive.Chris B - next time your Utes, or ANY
team - ever - in any basketball game ever played in any arena, goes up like the
Utes in the first 5 minutes of this game, take a breath and tell yourself
"It's a game of runs and spurts. That team is not going to win 120-15
as the current trajectory might indicate." I can't even imagine being
so embarrassingly shortsighted as your comments suggest.
Dang I thought we were more pretegous than that and that we would win Marys and
win the NIT.
Utah does have a very nice venue; however, it's about the game. The fact
that my house is nicer than yours, doesn't show up on the scoreboard.
Deseret news, your censorship and selective enforcement of your own rules is
sickening. Laughing out loud, laughing quietly, laughing
hysterically, just smiling, shaking my head, thinking of the comments, high
school gyms, empty seats, broken egos, little yellow emotion-cons, lost leads,
late surges, red & black cupcakes, blowouts, laughing hysterically again.Very nice win for the Gaels and the WCC!
Chris B"The gap between the PAC 12 and wcc is huge!" The question is, what PAC are the utes a part of? Since they can't
beat a little old wcc team.
Saint Mary's just became my new favorite team in the WCC after the
Sorry I haven't posted yet. I had to pick myself up off the floor from
laughing. Nice 20+ point win Utah! Next up...
NO bowl game - again.NO NCAA tourney invite - again.One
and DONE in the NIT.LOL!
It is embarrassing to lose to a WCC team, even on the road in their high school
gym. What gets me by reading these posts is that I wonder if BYU fan remembers
that BYU and Utah did play this year, and Utah won handily?
Downright hilarious. The mighty utes spanked hard by the 4th place team in the
WCC. Absolutely hilarious. Thank goodness the Gaels were asleep for the first
half or it would have been Arizona all over again. Really funny. No heart
Lesson both Utah and BYU fans and players don't seem to have learned:
Pride goeth before the fall.
So if a team loses to a cupcake team, what does that say about them?Crow, party of one, your table is ready.At least ute fans have the
Idaho State football game to look forward to in the fall.
Now the dust has settled and the cupcakes have been eliminated in the NIT,
let's get on to the BIG DANCE!!
I'm not a Ute fan but I am smart enough to know that BYU and Utah have
depended on each other to improve over several decades in several sports.
It's nice to see Utah playing respectable basketball again but it is
admittedly difficult to cheer them on with BYU trolls' constant reminder of
how "dominant" the mediocre (albeit improving) Utes are. It's
interesting to see the lack of respect St. Mary's gets. They have a much
more respectable short-term history than Utah and great players. Utah lost the
game because they are not as good of a team and they're not coached as
well. Most Ute fans who wish to excuse the Utes for a "poor performance"
would struggle to name a single Gael's player.Best of luck to
the Utes next year. They will have a hard time nabbing another win from BYU in
What is the success rate of Saint Mary's college of getting into
tournaments and secondly winning in tournaments in the last 10 yeaars? It may
be better than BYU and definitely better than Utah. Saint
Mary's is a first class program in any thinking person's book. BYU
of all people know this. They couldn't beat them till this year. Congrats to St Mary's and no disgrace to the Utes for losing the
I guess the big boys who really know Bball and assign teams to the big dance or
to the NIT know what they are talking about. A little word called Respect comes
to mind. Not much respect for u when it comes to Bball or football. Just look at
the way the u is ranked or (not) selected for bowls and tourneys. U must admit
that there is very little respect. History plays a big part of it and BYU has
the wins and respect and the u doesn't..
One and Done - in the NIT. Priceless.....
Hey Utes, was that high school gym too loud for a mighty Pac-12 program. This
calls for a new sticker.
I, like many of the Cougar fans, have no ill will towards Utah's coach and
players. It's a tough loss to swallow, especially when they had a 10 point
lead with so little time left. It's devastating to lose a game like that
at the end when you had led the whole time.However, for certain Ute
"fans" who post comments here? I'm laughing. It definitely serves
you right. You've been denigrating the Division I basketball teams in the
WCC all season long. Now you have a huge plate of crow to feast on. Will you
learn from this? Will you stop belittling teams? Will you stop insulting the
"high school gyms"? (By the way, smaller arenas often are considered
some of the toughest places to play on the road.) I would like to think
you've learned some humility. However, I won't hold my breath.
Who knew that cupcakes posed a serious choking hazard when in a high school gym?
I have mixed feelings about this. I feel bad for coach K and the players...they
had a fine season of progress. I expect them to be in the big dance next year. I
admit to a slight smile as I read the comments of some of the Utes on this
article.Go Utes! (the coach and the team, anyway).
Great Ute! Nice comment. I won't rub it in.
KenSandy, UT"I'd rather lose by 50 to a real team from a
real conference than lose by 1 to these high school teams"Today's your lucky day Ken! You've done both, in the past week.
Congrats. All your dreams have now come true.
I am glad I went to bed while the Utes held a ten point lead.
Here is Ken ragging on the Weber State Wildcats…"This game
will be another demonstration of just how far apart conferences like the Pac 12
are from smaller insignificant conferences. Fans of these small schools like to
believe they aren't much different or that the quality of play isn't
that great. Truth is, the gap is huge."Well Ken, this is what
happens when a team from a smaller insignificant conference plays a cupcake team
from the Pac 12...the quality of play isn't that great. The reality is
there must not be a significant gap between the minor and major conferences.He who brags too much always put foot in mouth.
I'm confused…which team was the cupcake team from a cupcake
conference? I wonder if you'll be strutting and bragging all next year
too? PAC12 athletes, blah blah blah….Cash your check and go home,
you're in the PAC12 now and performing as expected.Go
cougs…take it to Oregon...
The ironies are numerous, and all of them are just laugh out loud funny. From
the first page of comments here, to the high school gym and WCC comments all
season, to the last two games for the little u, both on national TV and both
utter embarrassments. Maybe some folks should reserve their comments until AFTER
they're able to beat a middle of the road WCC team in a high school gym, in
a JV tournament.How many u trolls were wishing the DesNews had an
'oops can I please delete that comment' button after yet another
spanking last night?If crimson bubble 'fans' learned
anything this season it should have been to NEVER bet on the little u outside of
the dark concrete cavern. At least PAC-12 journalists are relieved that they no
longer have to keep trying to put lipstick on a pig. They had to be shaking
their heads as they tried to tout little u's record this season, while at
the same time knowing where and against who almost all of those wins came from.
All that "cupcake" talk got egg all over your face.
@ UteologySpot on as usual. What a pittiful way to end the season.
Who told me this would be an easy win? Who said that a PAC12 team would just
walk all over a WCC team? Once again my Utes have been seated at the table and
made to eat crow.
I feel bad for the team. I really, really do. They've made up a lot of
ground in the past two seasons and coach K has this team moving in the right
direction.But I do hope many Ute fans will save this thread, and
refer often to the early posts. So many lessons to be learned there...
pac 12 meets WCC - pac 12 failed.
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark on people's egos and NIT brackets.So much for not listening to a Cougars advice (previous article). Looks
like the NIT committee got this one right.So, who's fault is
this: the referees, injuries, can't play in a small gym, can't play in
front of a small crowd, already had eyes on Madison Square Garden?It
appears that the Utes win over BYU, who beat St. Mary's twice this year,
was truly an anomoly. @CB, so much for "B" games, and
gaining experience as you're getting schooled in a "Power
Conference". If the WCC is a cupcake conference, and St. Mary's is a
cupcake team, does that now make the Utes a bunch of Creampuffs or would they be
"Power"puffs?Looking forward to next season already.
Wow do all Utah teams crumble in the second half of a season?
@Chris B This cupcake team and cupcake conference just beat your
Prestigious PAC 10.2 team LOL. Once again Chris B. you are dead wrong about the
WCC and the teams BYU plays. Seriously, you should ask some of the players on
Utah how they could lose to a so called “cupcake” team. They might
actually tell you it’s probably harder to play in a packed high school gym
than in an empty college arena. Why do think Camden Indoor Stadium is such a
hard place for visiting teams to play in? When you have packed fans so close to
the court cheering and screaming in such a small venue you can’t even hear
yourself think. This atmosphere is the same for the WCC teams. So in essence
because BYU beat SMU twice this year and Utah lost to SMU does that make BYU
better than Utah? At least we know who the better team was tonight… SMU
To read the beginning of this thread of comments make me laugh. It is so
typical of Ute fans!
Nice try, Utes. You played tough for the first 30 minutes or so, but then your
true road colors showed through. Losing to a "cupcake team in a cupcake
conference" must be a tough way to have your season end, especially when you
were so confident that it would continue.Better luck next year.
So, on their home floor, the Utes give a pretty sound thrashing to the #2 WCC
team, but then lose by twelve to the WCC #4 team on the road. Just venturing a
guess, but I think the Utes would not have been any more impressive in the WCC
this year than they were in the PAC12
Oh my goodness, what a choke job. After all wcc is not as easy as Utah fans
thought. This loss was necessary for utah fans cockiness. Overall great season,
look forward to watching utah next year.
@ Chris BToo bad the utes can't be competitive in a "cupcake
conference". It looks like the basketball team is following the example of
the football team. Well, theres always next year.
Amazing... that so many Ute loudmouths would go off on the WCC before the game
was over. Clearly we were "lucky" when we beat BYU at home. This is
one Ute fan that admits that when we play BYU we act like it is our game of the
year. Cupcake early schedule, at the end of the season the Utes prove how far
the basketball team has progressed - not enough to matter. Congrats to the WCC.
Gym size doesn't matter if you can't win.
Lol1and done in the juniors tournament.So Utah would be fifth place
in the wcc.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Welcome to playing in the WCC Utes!!!! Will you have
salsa with your crow or just eat it plain??
Welcome to the WCC. Looks like U would have finished in the lower part of the
Welcome to the WCC Utes! Hilarious! PAC 11.1 not as mighty as Utes like to
think. Hey, but now you can cheer on the rest of your conference, you know, the
contenders not the pretenders! Pull out those PAC 12 banners Utes because that
is truly all you have left!
Love all the comments dissing the opponent then getting killed by then to end
the game. Priceless. If St. Mary's is a cupcake that makes Utah laughy
taffy. Should have been invited to CBI.
Unfortunately I think the Utah team had the same thoughts as most of the above
posters. This was a winnable game, but another study in the psychological part
of the game. I think this goes a long way to explain the BYU at Utah game this
year. They saw you playing weaker opponents and thought, 'this will be
easy'. Not so much. Easy to explain but not so easy to fix. That is why
they play the game.
Actually, Chris B did see this coming with all his predictions and rants. The
streak is alive as you're call was wrong again.Utes should have
won, but didn't play well the last 10 minutes of the game.
Didn't realize that Utah is 2-9 in the last five years agains WCC teams.
Utah's season was just a shell game. Smoke and mirrors. 10 of the 21 wins
were against these teams: Evergreen State, UC Davis, Grand Canyon, Lamar,
Savannah State, Ball State, Fresno, Idaho State, Texas State, St Katherine.And some people on here were thinking Utah deserved to go to the big
The mighty WCC shows how to get it done. That is a prestigious conference that
is showing how to play basketball. Onward and upward.
Hilarious stuff! These first few comments are pure comedy gold. I seriously
thought Utah had this one in the bag at half time so I turned it off. Then I
see CB commenting about how easy his prestigious conference has it against the
WCC in their high school gyms and I knew it was cursed. LOL.I guess that #5 seed for the pac12 was right on the money against the
4th place team of the mighty WCC.Sad way to end the season. I
thought coach K had the team heading in the right direction. Maybe a few actual
road games in the preseason against real teams might help the team.
Looks like the pressure of playing in a "high school gym" on a week
night in an obscure time slot was too much for the Utes to handle.Keep your chin up ute fans 1998 will get here soon.
@Chris B>I admit I didn't see that coming.Those
of us who have watched both Utah and St. Mary's play throughout this season
@Chris B>But if all we cared about was padding our record, this
conference would be nice to join.Utah already did the whole padding
the record thing this season before conference play even started. You're
new to the conference so you might not know this, but playing a full slate of
home games against schools that can't even get their logos displayed in the
box scores on the ESPN website doesn't really prepare a team to compete
consistently against teams like Arizona.Or St. Mary's College,
Chris, That Cupcake team in a Cupcake league just sent the Mighty Utes from the
mighty PAC 10+U home. Guess Utah couldn't even hang with a team from the
WCC, just like they couldn't hang in the MWC. Think of it this way, had the
Utes actually played a real preseason schedule they wouldn't have been
invited at all. And had they not played half their Pac 10+U at home, how many
games would they have won?Moral of the Story, Chris B needs to keep
quiet on his BYU Bashing. They made the Big dance on their strength of schedule.
Chris B--- Do you see? This is why you should be respectful ALL the time. You
never know when you'll have to eat your words. How'd you like the HS
gym and the lowly WCC Gaels who were swept by BYU this year? Not a bad team,
huh? I'm predicting my Coug's will suffer a loss to Oregon,
especially without Collingsworth. That's okay, we already played them to
OT this season and have full respect for them. BTW-- Your Utes should continue
to improve next season so chin up, big guy. We can all learn and improve in the
So Utah can't compete in the WCC?
Great season and a great step this year in the progress of the program.I'm surprised at how soft this team is, given that coach K was such a
hard nose, grind it out player. It hasn't sunk in with this team yet, but
I think it will.Utah definitely had the better athletes, better
shooters, and was a deeper team, but St. Mary's was much tougher. They
responded to the adversity and worked harder where Utah wilted, again. Congrats
to the Gaels, and congrats to the Utes for strides they've made rebuilding.
I look forward to my beloved Utes continuing to improve.Go Utes!!
@ChrisConference has nothing to do with it. It's Utah vs Saint
Mary's. Conferences don't play games, teams play games and your team
lost. Your team is a long ways from Saint Mary's being a bad loss.
The WCC may not be the PAC 12, but when a PAC 12 team goes into a game against a
school like Saint Mary's thinking it will be a cake walk, guess what
happens? The WCC had four strong teams this year with two playing in
the NCAA tourney and two going to the NIT. I hope other WCC teams continue to
improve in upcoming seasons. In the past, schools like Loyola Marymount and
Pepperdine have shown they can be competitive. Already looking forward to next
season. As for the Utes, they had a great season and I'm sure
we'll see more of the same next season. I admire you Ute fans
who have stuck by your team during the rough years since Majerus left. Looks
like your Coach K at last has them going in the right direction.
The Ute's "away game jinx" continues! Even on the road I thought
they would beat them as it really is a down year for St. Mary's. While Utah should be proud of their upward trend in the last couple of years
they have given up too many away games and too many times run out of steam
towards the end of games. Something to work on improving for the coming season,
if the Utes can continue to improve at the same rate as the last couple of years
they will be in the NCAA tournament next year. Go Utes!
ha ha ha, now the utes know how the rest of the pac ten teams feel when you go
on the road and play in those happy meal stadiums like RES!!!!Funny
that utie fans are talking stadium size smack when they play in RES...Fitting way for this overachieving little basketball team to end.
We're just not used to playing in high school gyms.
Didn't anybody ever teach Ute fans not to jinx the team in the first half?
A disappointing game, but overall a lot of improvement this season by the team.
I hope Jordan Loveridge shows up next year after taking this year off. At this
rate, he's riding the bench next year.
As a bone-deep Cougar I congratulate Larry K. on a great season and a very
impressive job of rebuilding a once-proud Ute hoops program. It would have been
nice to have a better end to an encouraging season - but if this will keep a few
Ute trolls from soiling the Cougar comment pages for a while, I count a 12 point
flop to a WCC cupcake as a welcome break!
Doh! Utes don't seem to have much support in the bay area as only 1,335
seats were filled unlike when the Cougs played and all 3,500 seats were filled.
That's not too surprising though since only 3,217 out of over 10K capacity
came to see the Utes play USC and similarly at WSU where only 2,375 out of over
11K seats were filled. Didn't look like Saint Mary's was too
interested in playing the Utes until late in the 2nd half.
Utes are the cupcakes. Double digit loss to the fourth place WCC
team.No bowl game, and now this?
Chris BSalt Lake City, UTI'm so glad we don't play
our whole conference season in tiny high school gyms!But if all we
cared about was padding our record, this conference would be nice to join.No thanks though, I'll stick with our wonderful Pac 12!Utah 1.000 record against WCC cupcakes! Well chris that cupcake just handed
the utes their behinds thats what happens when you open your mouth and insert
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT"We went from up 10 to down 10 in
5 minutes." You certainly did."I admit I didn't see
that coming." You were too prideful about the "prestegeous"
PAC-12."This would be a bad bad loss to a cupcake team in a
cupcake conference." After watching the entire game, one must admit that it
was a season-ending bad loss. But cupcakes? Not so much.
@ Joe Schmoe: Doesn't say much for Utah when the 4th place WCC
team can beat them... in a "high school gym" no less. LOL.@
I'll Call It:Actually, you don't play anyone next.
You're one and done in the NIT... before the real post-season tournament
even starts. Now we all know why Utah didn't get an NCAA invite.@ Chris:Yes, Chris. You should stick with the pac12... because you
guys can't even beat the average WCC team when playing away from home.
LOL! So much for the "prestige" of the wonderful PAC12. LOL
All that "cupcake" talk just got egg all over your face.
@ Chris B"I admit I didn't see that coming"There is a lot you don't see coming. You sure have a history of that.
Next time wait until the game is over to spare yourself of embarrassment.
It's a 40 minute game and team has to play 40 minutes to win.
Chris B"Well, that was pretty easy. Utah's domination of
the wcc continues.""Go [HOME] utes!"It did not
look that easy in the high school gym, and the rest of us do not know what you
mean by the word domination. Losing by 12 is not domination in my book.Welcome Utah of the PAthetiC-10.2. You lost to the fourth place team in the
WCC. Ya'll now know what the WCC is?You might want to let the
eggs hatch before counting the chicks.
Why is it necessary to cheap shot a team and a conference instead of giving them
the kudos they deserve? If you are critical, then acknowlege your own
team's faults as well. I'm a BYU fan but I don't expect them to
win later this week. There's simply not enough talent on the roster right
now. It's really not hard to do. Utah's improved a lot this year and I
expect that to continue. With that being said they're also inconsistant on
the road. Personally, I'm interested to see how well the Chapman kid plays
Well, I guess Utah found out what it was like to step out of the mighty Pac12
and play in the high school gyms of the WCC. 12 point loss against a team BYU
beat twice...home and on the road. Any team on any night. You can't play
with your B game anywhere can you? I would actually like to wish the Utes well
and 95% of their fan base. But I hate to say that it's the 5% that make me
feel like commenting on a Utah loss. I will say that Utah improved
tremendously once they got out of their preseason home schedule and played in
conference. Young teams struggle finishing and they proved it tonight. Next
year will be a much stronger year for Utah and I wish them well.
@ I'll Call IT...in answer to your question, whoever their first preseason
opponent is NEXT year.
This is bad. Obviously the prestigious pac12 utes just didn't want to be
Terrible and frustrating end to the season. Hope this team figures it out
18 field goals and 21 turn overs. I guess you showed the lowly WCC Gaels how
the pac plays b-ball. Fickle u fans sure changed their tune as the crunch time
Great season coach K and Utes. You improved immensely. It is great to see a
coach have a positive influence over a team. Now if you could do the same for
your fan base. Very arrogant and condescending. Talking about another teams gym
or their conference can really come back to bite you. Best of luck next season.
Improve your road record and you will be in the big dance for sure.
I'd rather lose by 50 to a real team from a real conference than lose by 1
to these high school teams. Simply pathetic. I'm disgusted the guys let
this one away.
Love the beginning of this thread with the arrogant fans and then it all
went...ha, ha, ha, thumb which was me laughing my head off.Let's see. Season ends with BYU playing a PAC 12 team and the Utes
playing a WCC team BYU beat twice. Oh the fall of the arrogant.
@ Chris B: How long is it going to take for you and other ultra-Ute
commenters on this post to reverse yourselves and actually get your feet out of
your mouths. Wow! Can't even beat the 4th place team from the WCC.
Absolutely amazing. There seem be be lots of things you
"haven't seen coming" lately. Might be time to take off those rose
colored glasses to see what the real sports world actually looks like.
Absolutely stunned by this amazing turn of events. How can a mediocre (ok, a
cupcake) team from a mediocre (ok, cupcake) conference come from behind to beat
the mighty Utes from the prestigious Conference of Champions? This must rank
up there with the greatest post-season upsets of all time if we listen to some
of our local commentators. Such an embarrassment to lose to such a lowly team
in a tiny WCC gym. Especially after so many bold and foolish predictions all
season long. Wow!!
Utes,Welcome to the WCC! This isn't Cal or Washington. This
is another road loss for U.
I love high school gyms.That was an ugly game. 20 turnovers, a blown
lead, you name it, it happened in this game.LOL at all of the puffed
up comments from fans that thought this game was in the bag at half time. And nothing is more entertaining than seeing an arrogant bunch of
"fans" collectively going into the fetal position.I love my
Ouch! Maybe the Utes would have matched up better in either the CBI or CIT post
season tournaments? How can a mid-level team from a power conference such as the
PAC-12 lose to some scrub team from the lowly WCC?
We deserve better than this. Coach K - you've done well but
this was unacceptable. Get the job done or we'll find someone who will. We
deserve to have a team that is winning games in the tournament and 3 years is
enough time to win a game in the NIT. Go utes
Minutes into then game and u fans already blaming the refs. LOL
Wow! I guess Utah would have finished fourth or fifth in the WCC. Didn't
BYU beat St. Mary's twice?
Easy win against a cupcake team for Saint Mary's.
Have to love the aggressive fans claiming a victory here becoming strangely
silent toward the end of the game.
Once again Utah fans are caught with their foot in their mouth. Utah didn't
care about this game right??
Utah's all PAC 12 first teamer held to 10 points, only 6 from the field, on
3 of 9 shooting. by a team that BYU swept during the season.Impressive.
Congrats to the Gaels. They wanted to keep their season going. Let the WCC
gloating begin. I'm here and taking my gall. The Utes were awful.I've said it all season, Utah lacks toughness, physically and
mentally. Delon Wright dribbles the ball too much. Teams are on to him and
have watched tape of UCLA and Arizona shutting him down. Jordan Loveridge has
been awful in virtually every road game this year and a fair number of home
games.Utah doesn't have the talent to win and they certainly
don't have the toughness. I wish Brandon Taylor's heart could be
inserted into each one of those players. He is the only one that came to play
tonight. Onwas is a huge liability on offense. Terrible performance
and showed the Utes were probably not even deserving of the NIT bid.
Utes taught a lesson in how tough it is to win in a WCC high school gym; and
this was a very docile Saint Mary's crowd compared to what BYU and Gonzaga
Utah's domination of the WCC continues? LOL! A double digit
loss to the fourth place team.Ute's wouldn't be
competitive in the WCC.
One-and-done for the Utes. Weber State, UVU and BYU can certainly do no worse
and two of those teams are at the big dance. Too bad the DesNews sports writers
couldn't foresee the future in this NIT game. So
sad.............(chuckle)....now they get to watch everyone else, just like
during football bowl season. How's that PAC 12 Basement working out,
Yep bad loss to a "cupcake team in a cupcake conference". Chris, your
own words make obvious what many of us already know...U don't belong in the
PAC12 when you get beat by 12 points to a team neither BYU or gonzaga lost to
this year. "LOL"
Looks like the Utes couldn't handle playing in a high school gym.BTW did anyone watch the Georgetown game played at their home? Their gym is
smaller than St. Marys.
Hilarious. Seeing Utah lose like this after so much trash talk about the WCC
just made my day. Seriously though, no shame in losing to the 4th
best team in the WCC. That would put Utah firmly in the lower half of the WCC,
just like in the PAC 12.
The Utes proving again what a sorry team they are on the road.When
was the last time the Utes beat a WCC team on the road?
Did you notice how utah filled that high school gym?? I love my conference
Lot of arrogant comments before the game was even over...
Ouch... Tough loss to a cupcake team. That is sure a painful way to end the
Well, the mighty Utes have fallen to---of all things----a WCC Team!! Can you
believe it? I surely can!!
Pitiful, we deserve all the flak we are going to get from the Y fans...all of
it. No effort, no D, no enthusiasm...just nothing. Krysko and Dr. Hill killed us
when they made our non-conference schedule. This was the final nail in the
It's the NIT so I could really care less and I can't help but think
some of the players didn't give their best efforts.
Oh, where do I start? Cb said, "well that was easy" "Utah's
domination of the WCC continues"So much for a cupcake conference
when SMC can take the utes to the wood shed. I'm loving life.
Utes, as Dandy Don Merridth used to sing so eloquently. "Turn out the
lights, the party's over, all good things must always end"That's all folks!
"If we play our "B" game that should be enough to get by an average
west coast team. Our "B" game earlier was enough to destroy the second
best wcc team." "So this is what it's like to play in the
WCC..." "Utah's domination of the wcc continues."Well boys, there you have it. Swwweeeeeet. The most enjoyable 2 hours
I've had in a while.
Typical utes. How many times has this happened that the Utes get complacent and
blow big leads? Oregon, Colorado, Arizona.....at least it'll give em
something to think about and work on.
Choke! That was the worst, most embarrassing loss of the season.
Congrats to SMC, they were more aggressive down the stretch. Utah
was playing not to lose and they got thumped. Same story all year long.Coach K has some major work to do in the off-season!Really,
really disappointed in this team tonight.
Chris B: "cupcake team in a cupcake conference" may be what the Gaels
Utes could never accomplish what kimbal and gathers of LMU or russell of USF
did in this "cupcake conference" or the ncaa tourney. One and done
@lifelong uteLooks like whatever game utah played wasn't good
enough. Frankly I don't think utah is capable of playing any better than
they have. This was their "A" game.
Ladies and gentlemen, this is referred to as a "none and done"LOL!
Big step backwards tonight.Coach K needs to take this team dancing
Down 10 with under 2 minutes left....Yep Chris that was easy....for St. Marys
Utah's A game is not even as good as Saint Mary's B game.
I've really enjoyed this game, and the utah "fans" comments in this
Goodness, what an embarrassing last seven minutes of the game. That's what
can happen when you let a team hang around on their home court. Barring an
unlikely comeback, it's been a fun season to watch, frustrating at times,
but definitely excited about what's to come next season. A couple more
talented incoming players, more development for all returning players, and some
great conference opponents. Should be another fun season to watch.
Ute fans. Maybe a bit too early with the gloating. Huh.
What an awful performance by Utah. They've been good all year and then
these last two games have been atrocious.
Chris BYou mean easy for the Gaels who are up by TEN with 2 minutes
Wow. Once St. Mary's started to actual play they destroyed the Utes. Good
thing they held off for most of the game before turning it on. Fitting end to
the Utes season. Another loss on the road.
Lack of aggressiveness and sloppiness offensively is killing the team in the
3:52 left in the game, 19 Ute turnovers. St. Mary's up by 2 points. Even
if the Utes pull this off, it hasn't been a cake walk. Welcome to the WCC.
Here we go again. Lead is gone. Why can't this team hold a stinking lead in
the road game???
They are scrappy! BTW, my high school gym.....in Montana, was larger than the
St. Mary's gym.
I'm so glad we don't play our whole conference season in tiny high
school gyms!But if all we cared about was padding our record, this
conference would be nice to join.No thanks though, I'll stick
with our wonderful Pac 12!Utah 1.000 record against WCC cupcakes
Well, that was pretty easy. Utah's domination of the wcc
continues. Go utes!
Took Holt ten seconds in the backcourt before calling a timeout, but that's
not a ten second call? I thought that's why officials were told to start
watching the clock instead of counting with arm movements in backcourt
situations. Interesting...Also, anyone else wonder if Stephen Holt
walks around, pumping his arms in the air, yelling "Steve Holt!"?
Because that's what I do every time they announce his name.
Lifelong UteSince when does Utah's "B" consist of
shooting lights out in the 1st half?The truth is, Utah had to play
one of the best games of the season on their home court in order to pull off the
upset of a team they'd only beaten once in the last 12 meetings.
LOL. Utah playing its post season in a high school gym. SMC doesn't seem
to want to be there. Not saying much when the 4th place WCC teams
gets a higher seed than the pac12 team.
At the half Utah has played really sloppy with 11 turnovers. Should have been
up by double digits.In the 2nd half we need to continue playing
great defense, limit the turnovers, and take it to the rim like we've been
So this is what it's like to play in the WCC...
Utes'll live with anyone other than Holt or Walker shooting the 3, and
it's working with everyone else at 0-7. Waldow is hilarious to watch so
far. Really hope he keeps this kind of play up for 20 more minutes, comedic
gold!Stop turning the ball over, Utes! Finish!
Who do the the Utes play next?
Beatdown! Lol. The gap between the PAC 12 and wcc is huge!Utah 100% record over wccPAC 12 8-2 against the wcc cupcakes.
Sounded like a terrible call to start the game with an "illegal screen"
by Brandon Taylor that was just a standard dribble-handoff, but good to see the
team hasn't let it get to them. Crisp offense, smart D so far, keep it up!
If we play our "B" game that should be enough to get by an average west
coast team. Our "B" game earlier was enough to destroy the second best