The Medicaid gap is a life or death issue

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 21, 2014 3:50 p.m.

    This is only "life or death" IF you are an all-or-nothing type radical.

    Neither solution has to result in death. Only the extremes of either solution.

    There WILL be death... even if we expand Medicare. It's part of the "human condition" we are all subject too.

    I think either solution CAN work. And it doesn't have to be presented as a "life or death" decision.

  • Wonder Provo, UT
    March 20, 2014 12:10 p.m.

    @2 bits -- It's lovely to think that we will all contribute thousands of dollars to help care for the poor, but what happens when we don't. Or what happens if you contribute a hundred thousand for your neighbor's cancer treatment, but I, evil liberal that I am, only want to contribute $20 to help my neighbor with her cancer treatment. Do we want to live in a society where one person who happens to live by generous people is helped but other, equally deserving people are not helped because they know the wrong people? Although it is difficult for a conservative to hear, this is a task most efficiently performed by government. (And by government, I mean US through our elected representatives making laws that benefit society.)

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 19, 2014 5:40 p.m.

    If we're really interested in closing these gaps maybe we should consider some sort of system that provides coverage for, and the cost of which is paid by, everyone.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 19, 2014 11:44 a.m.

    Based on his own words, Jesus would have let Caesar do Caesar's work, which in our day means "providing for the general welfare." He surely didn't and wouldn't stand in Caesar's way.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 19, 2014 11:16 a.m.

    Ford DeTreese,
    You brought it up... the WWJD approach to politics.

    So what would Jesus do?

    Would he expand medicare and expect the government to take care of the poor... or would he do it himself, and encourage his followers to take care of the poor (instead of expecting the Government to make it so he didn't have to think about it)?

    Utah's plan may be closer to what he would do... not expect fed entitlements to do it for him.


    I don't think Jesus would oppose taking the federal $$$ lure to expand Medicare. But he would not be opposed to the other solution either.

    It's not the all-or-nothing proposition you pretend. Meaning... if you decide to not take the money, you want people to die. It means you have ANOTHER solution!

    People won't die if we don't take the temp Fed money. Because we have a different solution (which doesn't include letting everybody die).

    This all-or-nothing mentality some have (you either take the money... or you want people to die)... is partisan nonsense. There ARE other solutions (that don't require just letting people die).

  • Ford DeTreese Provo, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    Heart-wrenching. But here's another good reason why I will never again be a Republican. Can't feel good about being an active Mormon and a member of the GOP. WWJD? Certainly not what the Republican legislature and Governor Herbert are doing.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 19, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    There are other ways to handle this (besides expanding medicare).

    I don't think the right is saying "just let them die". They are saying there's another way. The other way doesn't tie us to a temporary flood of Washington money which is scheduled to go away over time... when it goes away... how do you replace it?

    I think they are taking the best course for the long view. Of course it is attractive to just take the flood of Federal dollars now... but what do you do when they go away?

    IMO... We need to help each other. And contribute to charitable institutions that help the poor get healthcare. Put together a system run and funded by Utah (not the Feds), which we can sustain long term... not just while the Federal money is flowing to get more people onto the Federally funded entitlement programs (with hooks attached) that will eventually lose their federal funds and the State left holding the empty bag and required to maintain the level of funding these entitlement programs enjoyed during the brief period where Obama was sending us tons of money.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:27 a.m.

    Moreover, as individuals expire for lack of care, their cases must be documented. The far right has been trying to destroy the statistical apparatus of the federal and state governments for years. The hope of the far right is that people who die for lack of care will die anonymously and unaccounted for. This must not happen.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 19, 2014 1:20 a.m.

    Yes, this is a life or death issue. And those who have kept these medicaid dollars from coming to Utahns in need of them will be at least, at least, partially responsible for any deaths occasioned by these measures.