BYU basketball: Without Kyle Collinsworth, Cougars looking to 'reinvent' themselves one more time

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  • FanofBYU American Fork, UT
    March 18, 2014 8:58 p.m.

    I've been reading the comments. I have a very simple take. Without Collinsworth, BYU will have a very difficult time winning against Oregon. Here are the areas of focus I believe BYU needs to address in this game.

    1. Defend the 3 - The simple fact is that BYU has been very weak at guarding the 3 point line. That is because they are so busy trying to help protect in the paint. With Collinsworth out, they will probably feel even more pressure to help protect down low.

    2. Hit your free throws - Remember when BYU was consistently one of the better free throw shooting teams in the country? Have they moved away from practicing free throws? Not sure what is going on there.

    3. No single answer for replacing Collinsworth. Other players are going to have to step up big time. The problem with the loss of Collinsworth is that BYU loses the body strength that he has. I like Sharp but he does not have the physicality of Collinsworth.

  • Darren Rowe Heber City, UT
    March 18, 2014 6:10 p.m.

    It drives me nuts that ute fans think they are amazing because they are in the Pac-12. It means nothing if you don't do anything in it. utah fans act like they should be rewarded for Arizona's #1 seed, when they did absolutely nothing.

    By the logic of ute fans, I guess BYU earned a #1 seed last year because of gonzaga, and utah has won a football national championship in 1984 for being in the WAC.

    Get real. Your accomplishments are yours. Arizona's, Oregon's, etc. are their own. utah fans always talk up their conference because they can't say much about their own team

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    March 18, 2014 3:18 p.m.

    I pick BYU in a mild upset. Oregon may walk in thinking that without Collinsworth, BYU will be easy to roll.

    I'm picking Bartley to be a hero in this game. He's got the hops and the speed.

  • EPoint Roy, UT
    March 18, 2014 2:51 p.m.

    Matt must make the 3, deny Ducks the 3 on D., fast break, run the floor, show Oregon Ducks the door.

    Oregon will miss the forest they have painted on their home court. There'll be no shade in the bright lights of the NCAA tourney. Advantage Cougars!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 2:12 p.m.

    Reno Cougs Fan 68
    Reno, NV

    I respectfully disagree.

    Good luck to Utah, Weber and the Ducks.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    March 18, 2014 1:58 p.m.

    I speak only for myself but there is a whole lot of prideful, arrogant, self righteous talk coming from some Utah fans since the U joined the PAC12!!! I do not think Utah or the PAC12 is "Far Superior" then BYU or the WCC!!! I am at least honest enough to still think of Utah as a rival and that is why I read and comment on both BYU and Utah articles!!! I think it very funny that a weak team (St. Mary's) from a weak conference (WCC) got a higher seed and a home game against a mighty PAC12 member (Utah)!!! How is SW Baptist doing? They must be a really good team because they beat Utah head to head and in the Huntsman Center!!! Am I right? Good luck to all the Utah schools!!!

    Go Cougs beat the Ducks!!! Rise Up!!!

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 18, 2014 12:30 p.m.

    Thanks Wally!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 18, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    Ken, you have no evidence to back your claim that "Most byu fans think the Pac 12 is only slightly better." Perhaps fans from other schools (e.g. Utah) get that impression because many BYU fans (myself included) think it is ridiculous that many Ute fans put much more stock in being included in the PAC12 than the actual success (or lack thereof) of their own school which has been a conference doormat since day one in the PAC in almost all sports.

    54-10, huh? You post my moniker but I have no idea what the point of your post is supposed to be. If you are trying to insinuate that Utah has a superior basketball team because they routed BYU in SLC, you'll have a hard time getting support for that argument. It was a road game and BYU is dominant at home so we don't know how they would have fared with the home court advantage. Also BYU has shown (9 of the last 11?) dominance over Utah in basketball lately, just as Utah has dominated BYU in football.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:27 a.m.

    River Falls, WI

    .... because as Cougar fan points out, the better team never wins whether it be basketball or football.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 11:11 a.m.

    @Wiscougarfan - You'd be incorrect if you think most fans fans don't acknowledge the pac 12 is "far superior" as you say. Most byu fans think the Pac 12 is only slightly better. I'm glad you see things how they are though - that the Pac 12 is far superior to the WCC. With 3 times the number of teams dancing, and I'll be that most years going forward its at least twice as many teams dancing, hopefully byu fans remember that the pac 12 is "far superior"

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    March 18, 2014 10:42 a.m.

    RE: Ken

    "byu is currently 1-2 against the Pac 12..."

    Just to clarify, BYU is 1-2 ON THE ROAD against the PAC12 with the victory being against the #3 team in the conference. I agree with you that that does say a lot about what #2 in the WCC means relative to the PAC12 (how could mean anything about other conferences?).

    No BYU fan will dispute that the PAC12 is a far superior basketball conference to the WCC, we never have. Trolls continue to make that point but it has no basis for argument (since no one is disagreeing). What we will say is that the WCC is a pretty darn respectable conference, having multiple teams dance every year for the last decade with three teams most of those years.

    If you want to claim your team (Utah) is a superior basketball program right now, that is another story. Go Cougs!

  • Wally Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:28 a.m.

    @Cletus from Coalville:
    You are gooder.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 10:05 a.m.


    byu is currently 1-2 against the Pac 12. If byu loses, as is most likely, they will end the season 1-3 against the Pac 12, with none of those games even being played against the top 2 teams in the conference. 1-3 against the Pac 12 says a lot about what #2 in the WCC means relative to other conferences.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    March 18, 2014 9:42 a.m.

    I'm expecting this will be another shootout like the first game. BYU and Oregon are both offensive minded teams and neither play great defense. It's all about which team gets hot.

    With Collinsworth out, we need Carlino, Winder and Halford to step up. If Carlino is off, Oregon defense will double Haws and it's game over. If Carlino is hotel, Haws will get better looks and could go for 30+.

  • Ken Lee Pasadena, CA
    March 18, 2014 9:26 a.m.

    again with the Utes looking to conference affiliation to make themselves feel better….can you imagine any BYU guy saying "I'll be nice to see how Gonzaga can really show (fill in the blank) how WCC teams play?" This infatuation with the U's conference is boardering on total insanity. Just cash your PAC12 check and realize that no one cares or even is totally aware that the U is in the PAC12 yet. You're lucky to be in the NIT. You've done nothing significant and your program is a filler because you are willing to play and lose on Sundays. …and build a stadium that holds more than 45,000…if you are a football program of significance…I've been looking for that U channel on DirecTV….can you remind me where it is? NCAA calling…10 seed waiting in a down year.

  • Serenity Now Highland, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:24 a.m.


    That will be nice to see. But PAC 12 teams have never been BYU's achilles heel like they have been Utah's. BYU trounced Washington by 20 last year to open up their Final Four NIT run, and has a better winning percentage against PAC 12 teams in road games this year than Utah (1/3).

    But this March Madness game is at a neutral site, which at least gives BYU a fighting chance to avenge the overtime loss at Oregon in December. If Carlino plays like he did in last year's NIT, BYU wins.

    I'm less in love with my school's conference than Ute fans are with theirs, so I'm hoping for a Utah victory over St. Mary's in the NIT.

  • wapple12 Lehi, UT
    March 18, 2014 9:22 a.m.

    @Ken and his ridiculous comment of "It will be nice to watch Pac 12 Oregon show byu how the second place WCC team stack up against Pac 12 teams."

    - You are joking right! So let's look at this rationally. Stanford and Oregon tied with three other teams for 3rd place in the vaunted PAC12 and let's see how this went. The 2nd place WCC team beat one of the 3rd place PAC12 schools at their home and handily and lost to another team tied for 3rd place in the vaunted PAC12 in overtime also at the PAC12 schools home. So Oregon may win this game on a neutral court because they are a good team that is playing well, but it has nothing to do with the PAC12 superiority complex. Yes I know BYU lost to Utah on their court in a rout, Utah is a great team at home for sure. Just get off the PAC12 high horse and cheer for your team in the NIT.

  • Ken Sandy, UT
    March 18, 2014 8:50 a.m.

    It will be nice to watch Pac 12 Oregon show byu how the second place WCC team stack up against Pac 12 teams.

  • Poppa-P Salt Lake City, UT
    March 18, 2014 8:11 a.m.

    The difference in this Oregon vs. BYU matchup will be the matchup defense of Anson Winder.

    The Ducks' Jason Calliste came off the bench to torch the Cougs for 31 points in their meeting in Eugene. There is NO Calliste does this again, or any other Oregon player for that matter. Anson may not be a GREAT defender, but he is the best BYU has, and as a result, Coach Rose will sic him on the Ducks' best outside shooter.

    BYU wins in a mild upset to live to play in the 2nd Round, likely against Wisconsin. Go Cougs!

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    March 18, 2014 7:23 a.m.

    BYU will come into the game with the attitude that they almost beat Oregon at Oregon and have a chance. Oregon will come into the game with the attitude that they need to destroy BYU for making them look bad.

    Which do you think will be the greater motivation?

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    March 18, 2014 6:30 a.m.

    We won Oregon and byu and that means Oregon will win byu because Oregon won byu and that means we will win st mary because we won byu.

    Go Utes!

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    March 17, 2014 10:17 p.m.

    Regardless of the outcome of the BYU-Oregon rematch, this has been a valuable learning experience for a BYU team without a single senior and will help BYU build the program for even greater success next season and in seasons to come.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    March 17, 2014 6:01 p.m.

    Do we really need to reinvent "One n Done". I wish it wasn't the case but i think that's what i'll be this year.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    March 17, 2014 5:44 p.m.

    It won't matter what the offense looks like. We are going to destroy Oregon.

    All year we have played a very unselfish brand of basketball and I'm sure it will continue.