It will be our ideas that win in 2014

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 20, 2014 8:56 a.m.

    To "GaryO" I hate to break it to you, but even CNBC and Investopedia agree that there was a recession in 2000, which means that Bush inherited a recession.

    Read the article "Why This Recession Seems Worse Than '70s and '80s" at CNBC which lists out most of the recessions since the 1970's. They state that "During the 1990-1991 recession, the deepest quarterly GDP decline was 3.0 percent; in the 2000-2001 one it was 1.4 percent." so we had a recession in 1990, and again in 2000. Clinton was President at that time.

    Investopedia lists the Dot Com bubble bursting under Clinton. See "Market Crashes: The Dotcom Crash" with the dot com bubble bursting, that lead to another recession.

    Where are your facts? Even your sources don't agree with you.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 19, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    No Redshirt, we were NOT in a recession when Clinton left the White House. GW Bush ushered two recessions in on his watch. The first one (March 2001 - November 2001) was mild. The second was absolutely horrible . . . but not surprising in hindsight. After all this is Republican "leadership" we're talking about here.

    You need to read something other than Right Wing propaganda.

    Look it up. There are plenty of valid sources to choose from. CNBC and Investopedia both have lists on the net.

    I can see why "Conservatives" so often point toward non-facts as "proof" of their contentions.

    The facts rarely support their point of view.

  • trueblue75 USA, NC
    March 18, 2014 4:49 p.m.

    Let's take back America and the values our country stands for (well used to stand for): self-reliance, family, individual responsibility, military might, integrity of a person's word being as good as his bond (in other words honesty---"you can keep your insurance"???) The Tea Party and GOP have got to get it together.........

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 17, 2014 1:23 p.m.

    To "GaryO" how did Clinton leave us in a good position economically? When Clinton left office we were in a recession. See "Bush inherited Clinton's recession" at CNN and "Last U.S. Recession Began Under Clinton, Economy Panel May Say" at Bloomberg. How is a recession a good thing?

    To "one vote" now those hippies from the 1960's are the ones in charge. So why was it good for them, but bad for Conservatives to do the same thing?

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    March 17, 2014 1:17 p.m.

    To "Blue" you are partially right. The reason why Reagan would not be accepted by todays Republican party is because the Republican party has moved so far left that he would be considered an extremist. The Tea Party is more in line with Reagan, than people like McCain or Lindsey Graham.

    To those of you who are complaining about the debt increases under Reagan, you should look to see what he has to say about them. When asked about some of his regrets, Reagan said "The Democrats reneged on their pledge [to cut spending] and we never got those cuts."

    It seems that the Democrats lied to Reagan, and he was foolish enough to trust them. Are today's Democrats any better?

  • Stormwalker Cleveland , OH
    March 16, 2014 9:21 p.m.

    Democrat. Republican. From here there is little difference between the two - like the days when "Ford" and "Mercury" were the same product with some difference in surface packaging. Both sides are funded by, and pass legislation to benefit, the 1% with little regard for the voters they are supposed to represent.

    There are many people in Washington I will vote against, few I will actually vote for and support in any way.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    Anti-establishment conservatives indicates how radical this extreme segment has become. Last anti-establishment group was the hippies of the late sixties.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    March 16, 2014 7:25 p.m.

    I like Mike Lee but so far there is no new Republican Party; like the Democrats they are still too self-seeking, except for some of the so-called Tea Party congressmen.

    With the likes of Behner and McConnell and Hatch and the many other politicians of both parties are deaf to the people we need a thorough electoral purge, and a Third Party that has as its platform the things that a majority of the nation want but can get from neither the democrats or republicans.

    We need a balanced budget amendment, an end to constant foreign wars, an enforcement of immigration laws, an end to special perks for senators and congressmen and presidents, an end to government snooping, cheaper energy prices, jobs for Americans (legal residents and citizens), more personal freedom, a government that listens to the people.

    The Republi- crats don't deliver. I don't see how we can avoid a Third Party that is truly popular and I hope they draft Mike Lee. He is one of the few good ones.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    March 16, 2014 1:01 p.m.

    Seriously? I admit I took the bait and read all the way to the end of the article looking for Sen. Lee's ideas...nothing. Are these ideas state secrets?

    I have an idea...and it's a good idea...and you're really going to like it...and it's going to lead the party to victory...but I'm not going to tell you what it is. But it's going to help the poor, and the middle class and protect us from evil rich people and corporations...well maybe that's more than one idea...but I'm still not going to tell you what it is.

    The Senator has no problem writing at length to invoke the halo of a past politician, but can't share anything about the ideas he claims to have. Almost as troubling is that those that comment spend all their breath debating whether the past politician is worthy of the praise given to him by Sen. Lee.

    Try again Senator. But put the idea up front next time, since as you can imagine, I won't make the mistake of reading all the way to the end again looking for it.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    March 16, 2014 9:24 a.m.

    Two significant problems with this bipolar editorial: first, we can trace today's rampant inequality to Reaganomics, which cut taxes on the wealthy and encouraged a supply-side greedfest that George H.W. Bush labeled "voodoo economics," and second, the policies Mike Lee suggests will solve our inequality are the same ones that gave us the inequality in the first place.

    Mike, welfare does not cause inequality; inequality necessitates welfare. If you stop getting the cart before the horse, you might begin solving this devastating problem. Go ahead, take welfare away from some people. They won't get jobs unless those jobs exist in the first place. And those jobs don't exist because demand is too low. Demand is too low because the wealth is going to the top, where little of it is spent on consumable goods and services.

    You need to watch the documentary "Inequality for All" and pay special attention to business tycoon Nick Hanauer, who understands very well the problems with our economy and doesn't consider himself a "job creator." He insists that consumer demand is the job creator and giving him more money will not create a single job.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 15, 2014 2:24 p.m.

    Let's just set the record straight! I believe that government does not have any solutions and not only do the democrats have no answers, but it is their answers that have kept millions in poverty, ruined the free enterprise system, which is the backbone of this country, and destroyed initiative by placing millions on the government plantation system. I am not a Republican by a Long ways, nor do I ascribe to both parties desire for war! I am a part of the new America that will destroy the welfare state, make the Constitution something that democrats and republicans don't support because they like the power that comes along with slavery! I am not an extremist, unless an extremist is someone who believes in God, family, and country, all of which the Democratic Party and the Republican Party have forgotten! I am not alone, as represented by 40 percent of the populous that doesn't align itself with Republican or Democrat! republicans and Democrats are lazy people who have forgotten the values of honesty, integrity, and virtue, as evidenced by the myriad of promises that were just lies to promote party loyalty ! I am the future, the new American!

  • dave Park City, UT
    March 15, 2014 1:40 p.m.

    It is disingenuous to compare today's conservative movement to the Reagan conservative movement. This is an uncivilized, mean-spirited,take no prisoners movement. The Reagan revolution was pragmatic and civilized.

    There is no way Reagan would be accepted by today's GOP. Sad...

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    His idea is to lose Billions by shutting down the government and this will work next time? We need a reality based Senate representative and Lee should resign over tea party tantrum.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 15, 2014 11:17 a.m.

    Garbo: I find it ironic that given the record of our current president, which many like yourself, rather than talking about his accomplishments want to point the finger of blame on someone else for the failures, Reagan stood by his record! Whether you liked it or not, he stood by his record. The only thing we here from democrats is the reason why something isn't working. don't you find that striking? In fact, it is just the opposite now! Even Democrats are running away from his signature accomplishment, only, again, to point the finger of blame on the Republicans for something that Obama should be shouting from the roof tops as his legacy! As for me, both parties have a legacy of failure that even the most ignorant would be compelled to admit without wonder as an utter failure of leadership! No one in his right mind, in any country in the world, would admit that the United States is a model of governance that has produced citizenship one would attribute to the laws passed by its governing chambers! instead, it has been a mockery!

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 15, 2014 11:05 a.m.

    Ideas? What ideas? If you say you're not hiding them, let's see them! It's one thing to trumpet that you have ideas, it's another to put them out there so we can discuss them. So far the only idea I've heard from Mike Lee is "Obama baaaad, Obama baaad. . . "

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    March 15, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    to 2 bits

    "Maybe it's time for somebody who's neither..."

    I'm ahead of the curve I voted for Gary Johnson.

    re: Blue & Tolstoy

    RR would be considered a RINO by today's GOP. The same GOP who BTW who marginalized Ron Paul & totally ignored G Johnson.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 15, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    Ideas like having campaign contributors buy your house that you can't make mortgage payments on?

    I don't think Mike Lee's ideas are going to win anything other than a quick trip to the slammer. He and Swallow deserve to go to jail for the laws they've broken. The constitutional expert needs to abide by the law just like the rest of us.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    March 15, 2014 9:11 a.m.

    The minute Mike Lee and his "new conservative" partners start talking they'll start tanking. Mike's future in 2016 looks pretty bleak based upon his senate record, defaulting personal loans, and possibly the campaign accusations that were exposed in the Swallow investigation.

  • cmsense Kaysville, UT
    March 15, 2014 9:02 a.m.

    By the standards of today, Reagan was a moderate. He could actually talk and negotiate with democrats in a reasonable manner. If Reagan was a Utahn, he wouldn't make it on the ballot because the far right fringe controls (controlled, he he) accesss to the ballot. We need to govern with sound principles but we also need to be practical. There is no need to just be an obstructionist (Mike Lee) to appointees and judges that have been vetted by other Republicans as good, but you want to obstruct out of spite. Govern out of principal not out of spite or political games. You can make a point, but don't shut down the government and hurt millions of people for a losing fight that damaged the Republican brand (I noticed you didn't do it this past opportunity, and its a good thing because Republicans would of lost big in Nov. if they tried that again).

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 15, 2014 8:55 a.m.

    Democrats' Republicans, answers? All of you must be kidding. Right? Didn't think so, and now we know why we have problems.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 15, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Yeah, Mr. Lee, we've heard all this before.

    When you guys gonna stop talking and start seeking real solutions?

  • BYR West Bountiful, UT
    March 15, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Physician, heal thyself.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    March 15, 2014 8:37 a.m.

    I love how people here just cherry pick facts about Reagan for there own ideological support. Lets see if we can set the record straight on some of them.
    1. Reagan -Raised taxes-Democrats like to pull this one out but neglect to tell how the initial GDP growth that got us out of Jimmy Carters disaster was because he cut the tax rates and loosened the regulations choke holds on our industry. The tax raises principally were in the 2nd term of office when his spending was in defence to make the USSR collapse and bring down the berlin wall (Something the democrats pathetically tried to give gorbachev the credit for) Another dirty secret was that the democrats were supposed to pass some of the pollicies he had been pushing for but Democrats lied and took the tax raises w/out putting the policies through. Same thing happened with Amnesty. The deal was that Reagan would leagalize the illegal aliens in our country but congress was supposed to secure the border at the same time. Again they lied. If anything this reinforces the need for conservative solutions and reject democrat/marxist faithlessness(the ends justify the means huh?)

  • UTAH Bill Salt Lake City, UT
    March 15, 2014 7:37 a.m.

    Reagan ran as a Conservative but governed and ruled as a Moderate. Unlike Lee, he built bridges with the opposition and regularly crossed the aisle to compromise. That's why Reagan was popular - not because he rigidly adhered to the ideals of just one party.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 15, 2014 6:37 a.m.

    Hey the Hammer - How can you justify your claim that the "Democrats are terrible at governing?"

    That's nonsense.

    Clinton left GW Bush a prosperous nation with a recent history of balanced budgets, a nation at peace with strong allies, and a good economy.

    And GW and his Republican gang DESTROYED it all.

    That's Republican governance for you.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 15, 2014 12:16 a.m.

    A Tea-Partier singing the praises of Reagan?

    signed abortion legislation,
    raised the debt 17 times,
    banned hand guns and assault weapons,
    introduce universal healthcare in the ER, regardless of insurance or ability to pay,
    granted amnesty to illegal immigrants,
    increased spending and decreased taxes,
    traded weapons to IRAN for hostages.

    Reagan would branded a RINO,
    and boo'd by these sorts.

    Tell me,
    If ANY GOP candidate were to run as a true Reaganite,
    He'd never make it past the Tea-Party lead primaries...

    [But, I can almost guarantee he'd win the National General Elections by a landslide not seen by the GOP's win with Reagan's 1984 49 out of 50 states.

    But keep going Tea-Partiers, you are your parties own worst enemy, and the Democrats best friend.
    If I'd known better, I'd think the Democrats were funding your caucus AND sponsoring Limbaugh, Beck and Hannity themselves.]

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 15, 2014 12:01 a.m.

    it is rather comical to read the tit for tat drivel between the democratic and Republican supporters! I mean how obvious can it possibly be for anyone that can with a rudimentary education that both of these parties are absolutely about retaining power rather than actually solving problems! What is it that drives this ignorance and distortion of reality? It isn't about third party or any other party. it is about becoming an American! Americans do not ask the government to solve problems that real Americans can solve themselves! Grow up people! Does it make you feel like you are a part of something by supporting another democratic or republican charade? Don't! Quit trying to "fix" things! let people figure it out and get the heck out of their way! Helicopter parents aren't even close to the helicopter supporters of ideas by politicians that only make things worse!

  • Roland Kayser Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2014 11:21 p.m.

    Republicans need to tell us what exactly what they will do differently from what George Bush Jr. did. They need to tell us which of his policies they will repeal and which of his ideas they will renounce. Up till now all I hear is a repeat of George W, and that was a disaster.

  • The Hammer lehi, utah
    March 14, 2014 10:26 p.m.

    Actually the reason Republicans will win is because the Democrats have proved terrible at governing. Ideas don't have much to do with it especially in a mid-term election that proves nothing because no one is at the top of the ticket.

    Mike Lee's Ideas were the Ideas that Mitt Romney ran on in 2012. Their platforms were almost identical and Romney lost partly because of that and partly because republican infighting took money away from the summer campaign.

    The tea party will never have a mandate if they continue to kick people out of their ever shrinking clique.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 14, 2014 9:34 p.m.

    2 bits -

    "With the exception of George H. W Bush after Ronald Reagan, America has not elected the same party back to back in my lifetime. The last time it happened (besides Bush and Reagan) was Trueman and Roosevelt. 1940s."

    No that’s not the last time it happened. LBJ was elected after JFK.

    And what's this about Democratic Presidents and "huge" government spending?

    Reagan TRIPLED the national debt. And GW more than DOUBLED it again. And neither President had any legitimate reason for doing so.

    That's pretty huge.

    March 14, 2014 9:28 p.m.

    "Iran-Contra thingy"? That thingy was the most immoral action by a US President (or presidential candidate) ever.

  • GaryO Virginia Beach, VA
    March 14, 2014 9:02 p.m.

    It's interesting how Reagan, one of the worst President's in history is so often held up as the epitome of Conservatism.

    Reagan had Alzheimer's, a horrible degenerative brain disease. When Reagan claimed he had no knowledge at all of the Iran-Contra affair, he wasn't lying, he really did not remember. Reagan did not remember because his brain was damaged by Alzheimer's disease, and that of course was not his fault.

    This brain-damaged President proved to be extremely pliable and the perfect puppet for Right Wing power brokers, because he was above all an actor, and he could deliver wonderful performances given the right script.

    When you think about it, is it really that surprising to find that the only brain-damaged President in history is regarded as the paragon of Conservative virtues?

  • Kings Court Alpine, UT
    March 14, 2014 8:59 p.m.

    Yeah, right. These same old ideas have got us where we are today.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 8:17 p.m.

    "And we see it at the top, where political and corporate elites rig the system to benefit themselves at the expense of small businesses and working families." Well, at least Senator Lee sees this, but he does not see clearly. The collapse of 2008 was produced by the banking business' marketing of bogus paper, feeding a bubble which of necessity popped. To save American capitalism the Bush and Obama administrations saved the guys at the very top, rescued the big banks, insurance companies, and automobile manufacturers. Now, these beneficiaries were supposed to support the down-line economy (that was the deal), but they did not oblige. In our system they didn't have to. So the economy continues to founder and middle and lower classes die slow deaths.

    The 1% of 1% didn't "rig" the system. The system did its thing after being rescued by government, which government had to do to save the system. I don't think a guy with Senator Lee's ideology can ever get this. But we desperately need him to "get it."

    As Marx would say, "it's not the people [who are the cause], it's the system."

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    2 bits,

    How about if we restored Reagan-level tax rates? Can we get a contemporary Republican to re-introduce Reagan's Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982?

    Or how about this from Mike Huckabee in 2011: "Ronald Reagan would have a very difficult, if not impossible, time being nominated in this atmosphere of the Republican Party."

    See what I mean?

  • Tolstoy salt lake, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:58 p.m.

    "It’s time for the Republican Party to stop talking about Ronald Reagan and start acting like him."
    Does this mean raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations back to the levels they were during the reagon years? Do that and you may have my attention.

  • gee-en Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:54 p.m.

    Excellent points Mr. Lee...I totally agree. Now if they could be not just words, but channeled into some kind of appropriate action, our country could be on a little better track.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:35 p.m.

    I'm not sure if you're aware of this... but the Congress controls the budget (not the President). And we had a Democrat Congress when Reagan was President. I think they deserve at least SOME of the blame for the budgets they passed.

    If you will remember... Reagan asked for a certain amount of cuts, and promised to VETO the budget if he didn't get at least 1/2 of those cuts. The Democrats tried him... 3 times... and he veto'd it... 3 times. I remember these instances (when the Government was shutdown 3 times during the Reagan Administration) because my job was to write the software to calculate Medicaid/Medicare Reimbursements for hospitals, and the algorithm would change each time they passed an interim budget to get us down the road a few months... and then we were right back in the stalemate where we started (kinda like the shenanigans Republicans pulled recently with President Obama).

    But you can't 100% blame Reagan for the budgets the Democrat Congress passed.

    He DID ask for more cuts... they just refused to give them. Not even 1/2 of what he requested!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:21 p.m.

    I disagree. I think you judge people to harshly (Republican people). I think Reagan would be asked and he would be a welcome speaker at any Republican Convention.

    That doesn't mean everybody there would agree with him on everything (but that's OK I think).

    For instance... they may point out that the amnesty part of his immigration reform bill didn't work. And he may get some grief for the Iran Contra thingy. But I don't think they would boo him off the stage (in any State... especially in Utah).

  • mcclark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:16 p.m.

    Reagan ran up the national debt.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2014 4:05 p.m.

    liberal larry,
    I don't think Republicans are going to win just by promising to do the same or similar things Democrats promise (like the EPA and Obamacare even if they proposed those originally).

    I think they have to propose and even PROMISE to cut spending (Something we know Americans will never believe Democrats will do). And then they need to do it.

    Problem is... if they do it... it will be painful for some people who's program gets cut. So they can't expect to get RE-elected. I think that's why they always chicken-out.

    And that's where the cycle starts over... Democrat in, big spending, people get fed up, elect Republican, they chicken-out or actually make cuts and tick people off... back to Democrats... repeat, repeat, repeat...

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    March 14, 2014 3:57 p.m.

    This is not the GOP of Reagan. Compared to today's Tea partiers, he's a moderate. In fact, he would be booed off the stage at any of today's GOP state conventions.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    March 14, 2014 3:47 p.m.

    I agree, conservatives have come up with some good ideas, like Richard Nixon establishing the EPA, and the ultra conservative Heritage Foundation developing the basic principles of Obamacare!

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 14, 2014 3:35 p.m.

    From my observations over my lifetime... Republicans only win when Democrats have gotten us into such huge government spending that America will elect ANYBODY who promises to get us out.

    Problem is... Republicans (after all their promises) rarely do much better than Democrats. So we go back to Democrats.


    With the exception of George H. W Bush after Ronald Reagan, America has not elected the same party back to back in my lifetime. The last time it happened (besides Bush and Reagan) was Trueman and Roosevelt. 1940s.

    We've gone back and forth electing a Republican and then a Democrat since the 1940s.

    Maybe it's time for somebody who's neither...


    Democrats who bet that a Republican will never be elected President again are probably wrong. That assumption ignores our history and assumes that our trend will change 100% of the time. I think there's a pretty slim chance of that.

    But Lee is right... Republicans need to promote their plan (and it has to be different than the Democrat's plan)

    They must stop bashing Obama. Just as Democrats eventually learned they couldn't win just bashing Bush.

    You have to have a plan... not an anti-plan...

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 14, 2014 3:31 p.m.

    Just like they won in 2012!