Dick Harmon: BYU exits Las Vegas in a familiar way, and Kyle Collinsworth injury adds to the pain

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  • Mikeylikesit Davis, UT
    March 14, 2014 10:00 a.m.

    Dick- you mean they will fly northeast? I'm not impressed with the headline as I think the Cougars did quite well in the WCC tournament this year and it's quite a demeaning headline. It's tough to beat Gonz anytime but 2 of 3 would have been monumental, especially shooting the way they did in the first half. Great efforts were shown by the boys to get back in it. They could have rolled over but did an admirable job representing the university this year regardless of how they finish out. Yes, they will get back on a plane and fly home when they're done, just like they always do. (In a familiar fashion)

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 13, 2014 11:52 a.m.

    @ eastcoastcoug:

    Get real! Granted BYU didn't look good for a lot of the game with Gonzaga, but they did cut the big lead in half after getting down by 21 points in the first half and even forced Gonzaga to call timeout and regroup later in the second half when BYU got to within single digits.

    BYU has beat some pretty good teams this year including ranked teams Texas and Gonzaga (in their previous game). They also took ranked Oregon into overtime and was ahead for much of the game against UMass before losing by only single digits. They also beat Stanford at Stanford.

    They made it to the Sweet-16 a couple of years ago and might've made it to the Final-4 had Davies not got suspended from post-season play.

    The vast majority of teams seeded 10, 11, or 12 in the NCAA tournament usually are 1 and done. It's not just BYU. However, they still consider it an honor just to make it to the tournament since only about 20% of programs do. Most years Rose's teams do.

    You are truly being too negative and harsh in your assessment.

  • Objectified Tooele, UT
    March 13, 2014 11:34 a.m.

    @ OtisBDriftwood:

    Let's reword your question to make more sense of it. Which nationally recognized experts don't have BYU predicted to be in the NCAA tournament. Even after the Gonzaga loss, I've yet to find a single one that didn't.

    Among the many to do predict BYU in the dance...
    - USA Today
    - Bleacher Report
    - Joe Lunardi from ESPN
    - Peter Woodburn from SB Nation
    - TeamRankings.com
    - Kurt Kragthorpe from the SL Tribune (not a known BYU fan)
    - Etc., etc., etc.

    Since it's obviously so unanimous, anyone at this point who doesn't believe BYU is going to the NCAA tournament would really have their wood drifting in a weird direction and considered to have their head in the sand.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 13, 2014 5:52 a.m.

    I wouldn't even want to see BYU in a tournament. What's the point? Our coaches don't prepare our kids and the players look ridiculous. I'm trying to understand some of my fellow fans interest in seeing BYU in the post season.

    Year after year of watching post season college basketball, I am just amazed at how so many schools play at a higher level. But never BYU.

    Why is that?

    Why do we continue to think Rose is a great coach? Because he gets 20 W's in the regular season against non top 20 teams?

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    March 12, 2014 4:38 p.m.

    I hope Collinsworth is okay, but it didn't look good. BYU should be in the Big Dance and hopefully UVU and Weber State. It's been a while since we've had 3 in state teams get in. My Utes have to win the Pac 12 tournament to get in and I'm not holding my breath for that. I like that Coach K has the attitude of playing to win. He shouldn't be coaching if he doesn't take that approach, but as a fan I can be more realistic. If we beat AZ, then I might start hoping and we could get 4 Utah teams into the Dance. Until then I'll just be happy following the Utah teams that make it.

  • Old But Not Stupid Moorpark, CA
    March 12, 2014 3:53 p.m.

    Several have already commented on some key problems--i.e., poor spacing (on both O & D); improperly filling the lanes on fast breaks (as when Mika ran over the point guard in transition); weak concepts for offense and defense; pour execution of fundamentals (showing the ball to an on-ball defender while dribbling or faking); astonishing lack of awareness (dribbler going down court with 3 opponents in front of him and having the ball swiped from the rear).

    Many of these problems are sophomoric (as in high school sophomore) failures. Sadly these comments are valid for a Div I team. After seeing Gonzaga torch BYU's zone with quick perimeter passes, I thought Rose should either fire his offensive guru or demand that said guru view the film of the Zag offense and COPY it!

    Rose needs to grow his staff with roots beyond the borders of Utah.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    March 12, 2014 1:33 p.m.

    @ OtisBDriftwood

    "Many experts project BYU in the tournament..." Which experts are you referring? BYU Fans?

    ESPN plain and simple. Of course you might discredit ESPN but they have the most expert analysts on the topic and they are usually right most of the time on who gets in. Bracketology and Bubble Watch reports are good sources. The bracket analysts also know how the Selection Committee votes better than any other sports network or website. As long as old hags instead of cinderellas show up in the other conference tournaments, BYU will be in.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    March 12, 2014 1:14 p.m.

    As long as I have been watching BYU basketball we are always at least one guy short. That goes back 50+ years. When the Cougars are playing with one, two, or three guys that are no threat to score then more folks get double and triple teamed. Too bad. The Cougars did not quit.

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    March 12, 2014 1:04 p.m.

    Yeah, the players may be feeling bad, but I am in a deep funk. We get embarrassed so many times on national tv. Is Haws believing his own hype? Even when he was open, he couldn't hit anything. Sure, he can live at the free throw line, but is that his scoring legacy? Yes, his scoring got us to the tourney, but then where did it go They all looked so much in disarray a lot, not like a solid Gonzaga. We're better than that but we don't play like that in the big games - hope KC can return, but without him, I don't give us much of a chance, IF we even get selected. It's just sad to watch so much meltdown. Haws, when you get interviewed as if you're a BB God, show some humility and admit you haven't played too well when you haven't.

  • Tenn12 Orem, UT
    March 12, 2014 12:38 p.m.

    I saw a team that was thoroughly out coached. Or perhaps they were outmanned. Either way Dave Rose needs to be held accountable. There is no way BYU with its money, facilities, resources, etc should be manhandled like they were last night and like they are most of the time they play Gonzaga. Compare BYU's money and resources to every other school in this conference. It's a complete embarrassment to not be better than we are. Time to recruit Dave, or maybe start coaching defense and a little bit of offense other than haws, carlino, or collinsworth going one on one and forcing up a contested shot. Gonzaga's offense and defensive efficiency was far superior all night compared to byu.

  • sg newhall, CA
    March 12, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    BYU...does not nor has it ever displayed a swagger. Be it at the Marriott Center or on the road. They play with fear not with grit. I've watched the last two games and I wasn't impressed at all. I put blame on this loss on Coach Rose. The team wasn't prepared mentally. The set plays were horrible. Rose had no answer to the Zags' defense. Doesn't he get paid to do just that? I don't believe BYU deserves an at large birth or any birth into the tournament. Maybe the NIT, but not the NCAAs. However, if they do make it, I predict they will lose their first game by at least 15 or more points. BYU just isn't a great/good team. Average at best. Nothing like the teams of the past. Maybe we need to recruit more black players?

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    March 12, 2014 12:19 p.m.

    Best wishes to Collinsworth. I hate to see these guys get hurt playing college ball. I hope its not as bad as it looked.

  • 4blade2007 Provo, Utah
    March 12, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    I hope K. Collinsworth injury is not season ending and can return to the line-up either for the Big Dance or the NIT. I see this team as three (Haws, Mika and Collinsworth) against five every game. Where is the inside presence for BYU? Yes, Mika hustles and gets a few dunks, but he needs to work on his footwork and creating space for himself so the team can score easy baskets. This BYU is a perimeter team - never have I seen so many outside shots. BYU needs to get some big guys with some rebounding and offensive skills.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    March 12, 2014 11:51 a.m.


    Rose is a good coach?? What exactly has he done that merits that kind of praise? I think he's a great guy but that's not the same thing. We have NEVER won any games that mattered with Rose at the helm. Name one.

    Just like Bronco, he recruits decent LDS talent and rarely gets the best LDS players (especially outside of UT) or any good non LDS ones. Aside from that, the players are not really any better for playing at BYU. Rose does ZERO development of players. Just like Bronco.

    If you want someone that turns good players into great ones, look at Quincy Lewis at Lone Peak. What he has done there is phenomenal. You can't tell me the kids at LP are any different than they were before Lewis came along. Lewis just knows how to get the best out of his kids. Sadly, Rose does not. Even Jimmer's brilliant career was wasted at BYU.

    Sorry to throw a wet blanket on all the Coach Rose fans, but let's be honest, folks.

  • Bluviking Rexburg, ID
    March 12, 2014 11:50 a.m.

    "Exits Las Vegas in a familiar way"? They DID make it to the championship game...

    They seemed to be off the entire tourney, but managed to get to the championship game. At times, their defense was stifling, but they needed to get busy sooner.

    And, even with shooting so horribly, they only lost by 11 points...a few buckets closer to their average, and with Collinsworth still in there, it might have been a different story.

    BYU is on the way up...looking forward to the NCAA tourney, and especially next year!

  • cal cougar camarillo, CA
    March 12, 2014 9:44 a.m.

    It looked bad for Kyle. If that knee needs surgery, please look nationally for a doctor with outstanding results with knee surgeries. That knee may be worth millions and millions of dollars to you. Do right by it.

    Also, playing on a bad knee is a recipe for disaster. Heal and get better. BYU can dance without you while you heal. I am more excited about next year anyways. With everyone, healthy and more experienced, a run at a sweet 16 is not out of the question.

    Also, I have always been impressed with Coach Few from Gonzaga. The coach from San Francisco needs to take lessons from him. Coach Few is a class act added to the fact that he is one of the best coaches in the collegiate ranks. I will be watching and cheering for his team as well as ours.

  • Deanvrtc Vancouver, WA
    March 12, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    Rose is a great coach. The fact that he HAD to leave Carlino in when he was doing so poorly is evidence of how bad everyone was doing except Collingsworth. Haws is "points" on the free throw line, and gets there often, but the guy had a miserable shooting tourney. The Zags easily were the better team here. Its a curse being a BYU fan. You hope every year...disappointment in the end.Here is hoping for next year...:)

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    March 12, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Sports Nutz - would be nice if he was full recovered and hoping it is not ACL, maybe 80% or use him sparingly when needed most.

    SlopJ30 - Matty is Matty, sometime he hit it but many times he can't. If KC is done before tourney then Matty won't do well unless Dave Rose tell him not to shoot and look for assists and steals.

    stay tune hopefully we know by today on KC.

  • Dr. Chim Richalds ROUND HILL, VA
    March 12, 2014 8:40 a.m.

    Say what you want about the Collinsworth injury factoring into it. I've watched BYU only since 1996 as a casual fan of Football and Basketball and they always choke away opportunities when they matter the most. They have the coaching to put them in the position to win but can never seem to get over the hump and consistently win. Very disappointing.

  • Mark321 Las Vegas, NV
    March 12, 2014 8:32 a.m.

    Tough break for Collinsworth. The good thing for BYU according to selection committee criteria is that roster issues (like Collinsworth's injury) doesn't effect BYU's chances getting into the tournament but it could effect seeding. Such an injury could cause BYU to play in the first four play-in games. Right now according to experts there are 57 locks currently in the tournament (32 conference tournament champions and 25 at-large locks) so with 11 spots up for grabs BYU is in good shape because of the 11 bubble teams BYU is in the upper half to get in. Going back to Collinsworth's injury, we do have Carlino who has his moments where he's really good and moments where he's really bad. When he slashes to the basket and makes good crisp passes he can be at his best and gives us a chance to win as good as Collinsworth being in there. Let's hope that that is the Carlino that comes to play in the NCAA tournament.

  • Sports Nutz Smithfield, UT
    March 12, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    As an Aggie fan I usually enjoy seeing byu lose, but watching Collingsworth go down like that was not good. He is hands down the best all around player on that team and I love watching him play. Here's hoping it's not a serious injury and that he's back on the court at 100% ASAP.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    March 12, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    jzzlvr - Look on the bright side. We're down to one season and (probably) one game left of "The Matty Bricks Experience." After enduring the white-knuckle ride he provides night in and night out, I would think an upgrade to Nick Emery has to be an improvement. We'll see.

  • KimmyP Granstville, UT
    March 12, 2014 6:59 a.m.

    How many times must the adage about defense winning championships be proven?
    Harmon has beaten the drum on the cougars offensive prowess all year long, but tries to gloss over the defensive deficiencies hoping they'll magically disappear.
    In games with evenly matched opponents, defense wins time after time, and offense wins in church ball.

  • EPoint Roy, UT
    March 12, 2014 6:25 a.m.

    The Cougars looked flat, disheveled, tired, in need of a haircut (Matt C.) a shave (Kyle C.) and a good nights sleep. Got to better manage time, the creature, and play sharp, focus on maximum potential. John Wooden would not have stood for the sloppiness evidenced Tuesday night.

  • jzzlvr Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2014 11:57 p.m.

    The Collinsworth injury looked like it could have been bad...maybe a blown ACL from the way he was grimacing. Would be very sad if he was down for a year or more.
    I still cannot get over how poorly Carlino plays. He takes the worst shots at the worst possible times, misses almost all of them, and keeps coming back for more. He's sort of the anti-Jimmer.