SB54 will politically and culturally reconstruct Utah

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  • John Locke Ivins, , UT
    May 14, 2015 2:12 p.m.

    I think that most people recognize a rattle snake when they see one coiled in front of them and will take every measure to get out of its way. Most of those running, whether a liberal, moderate or conservative member of the Republican, or Democrat party, will show their true colors in televised debates, or lie, or spin when the question is asked: "Are you for or against (late-term) Abortion"? The answer should be a clear "I against late term abortions", or "I am for late term abortions"< and explain why. Since this is a bell weather question and identifier of whether you are a liberal or a conservative, the answer should provide their ideological position. If they waffle, then they are either spinning or middle of the road. You vote accordingly. More liberals or moderates may slip through the cracks, but by their actions, you will know them and their position in the next election thus more tenable.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    March 12, 2014 1:21 p.m.

    If the taxpayers of Utah are paying for your primary it's not a private party anymore.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 12, 2014 10:18 a.m.

    IF it results in more people showing up and voting in their party primary (educated on the candidates and other proposals on the ballot)... I'll be happy.

    IF more people show up and voting in the general election... I'll be happy.

    I personally think the moaning and groaning and blaming everything on the caucus and convention was bogus. We will see if we are better off after this bill goes into affect. I don't think ANYBODY knows what will happen yet.

    I suspect the person with the best advertising campaign (which means the richest candidates, with the most generous donors)... will win.

    Also people with the most party $$$ (meaning incumbents)... will win.


    What happened to all the "out with incumbents" sentiment that was going around in 2008?

    Now it seems like there's a full-court-press to protect incumbents in Utah!

    Utah got rid of ONE incumbent... and people (especially his party) freaked out.

    Bennett was unfortunate to be running during a recession, huge federal deficits, and the Bush economic collapse (incumbents were not popular). But overhauling the system to insure no incumbent ever gets replaced again... seems like overkill.

  • happy2bhere clearfield, UT
    March 12, 2014 7:24 a.m.

    I wish this stuff would go on in liberal states. There are plenty of disenfranchised Republicans and conservatives in a lot of the blue states.

  • JMT Springville, UT
    March 12, 2014 6:26 a.m.

    The op-ed, the comments, it's like I'm in a time machine. Let's stroll down my memory lane.

    Take just about any issue, let's go with the Patriot Act and the Unitary Presidential Theory. I remember when that passed, to much jubilation in a moderate, statist Republican/Democratic Party, there were voices in the wilderness who predicted that the Patriot Act, guided by the radical Unitary Presidential theory would ultimately lead to a police state. An environment in which government would have complete information control over every one.

    Those who dared say this would be the inevitable outcome of such a power grab were mocked- openly, loudly, and frequently. A mere decade later we live in a total police state by power. US Senator Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) just held a press conference two days ago in which she openly condemned "our" Federal government for using their total police state power to hack into the computers of US SENATORS and both read and delete their files. Irony, she supports the police state but not when its being used against her.

    In time Senator Reid will be right, but by all means mock away.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    March 11, 2014 10:51 p.m.


    What a comedy!

    Death of the two party system? That's been dead for a while here in utah ever since the Civil Rights movement and Roe vs Wade.

    And his claim that special interests will take over? Huh? That's exactly what we have already. Or does he really claim that vouchers, prison relocation, rejection of Medicaid expansion, flat taxes, right to work, worst per pupil funding, and $200 million for iPads really benefits us?

  • RobLewis South Jordan, UT
    March 11, 2014 10:45 p.m.

    The author is spot on. Republicans should choose Republican candidates, not independents, democrats disaffiliating, or folks who can't make up their mind which party to join. Form your own party if you wish, and elect your own candidates.

    Passing a bill which allows non Republicans to choose the Republican candidate is akin to treason in a military sense. The Republicans who voted for SB54 should be booted out because they are creating a poison pill in their own party. Suicide

    There are some conspiracy theorists out there that claim the parties are the same at the highest levels. That the politicians are keeping the unwashed masses believing they have a say in selecting candidates; but that the "powers that be" are really pulling the strings. SB54 sure fits that mold if you tend to lean that way.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 11, 2014 10:02 p.m.

    For the naive: It has always been a one party system; both "parties vote for bigger government, less freedom, and more control. the irony is watching the ignorant minions fall in line lock, stock, and barrel, claiming that "their"party has the answers. it is comedy of epic proportions!

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 11, 2014 5:09 p.m.

    Yes, We the (lazy, incompetent, uninformed) People with our tiny, Dorito-rotted brains thank the beneficent Utah Senate for graciously permitting humble us the privilege guaranteed by the US Constitution -- to actually choose our own representatives.

  • JJ1094 Saratoga, UT
    March 11, 2014 3:16 p.m.

    The bottom line is the Party has the ability through their own rules to determine who will represent them on the ballot. The general election is open to any qualified voter to cast a vote for a choice.

    SB54 tries to strip away some of the private party's right to determine their own candidate that will appear on the general election ballot.

  • JJ1094 Saratoga, UT
    March 11, 2014 3:07 p.m.


    The Utah County Republican Party and the Utah State Republican Party are private organizations. They are not governmental nor pseudo-governmental agencies. Their purposes, just like other political parties, are to get their candidates elected.

    For example:
    We, as members of the Utah Republican Party, grateful to Almighty God for life and
    liberty, desiring to perpetuate principles of free government and the blessings of liberty
    to our posterity, do establish and adopt this Constitution. This Constitution, the Party
    Bylaws, and Robert’s Rules of Order Current Edition are the exclusive governing rules of
    the Utah Republican Party.

    The Party selection process is not governed by the state and does have the sole authority in determining how they select candidates. And that same party has the right to either use the government system of primary elections, or to choose another if desired. The same is true of other political parties at various levels such as County and State or Democratic or Republican. It is a private party!

  • travelrus murray, UT
    March 11, 2014 2:39 p.m.

    Sorry JJ in Saratoga, but an election is not your private party. Whether you want to believe it or not there are many valid opinions besides politics in Utah County.

  • Rufio Saratoga, UT
    March 11, 2014 2:32 p.m.

    So how about a Utah History Lesson, back in the early 90's a reporter found the UEA playbook to take over the caucus system and load it with supporters. The story resulted in Utahans getting involved and protecting their votes.

    That system lead to the election of people like Norm Bangater, Robert Bennett, Orin Hatch, Michael Leavitt and even Jon Huntsman. I would hardly consider any of them ultra-conservative, and could make arguments (based on their records) that many are more liberal than conservative.

    I also recall people having a real interest and having hundreds on Caucus night in a single precinct. With that involvement, the liberals, the unions, the environmentalists are left with a choice - to either go back to being a Democrat in Utah or to use a coercive threat of the CMV to undermine those that are involved.

    SB54 does only one thing: makes it easy for uninformed voters to elect political opportunists within the only viable party. And that was because the Democratic Party became so disconnected with most everyone in Utah, Salt Lake City excepted.

    Quit whining and show up if you really care!

  • The Reader Layton, UT
    March 11, 2014 2:21 p.m.

    I expect Senator Reid is wrong. I believe the caucus system will die. I believe the two parties will thrive with the Republican party becoming more liberal and the Democratic party becoming stronger. The democrats will be the more liberal of the two and the republican party being a more liberal, more normal republican party. The ultra-radical republicans will try to hang on, but the majority of Utahans will leave the ultra-republicans behind. Senator Lee will find that his base is gone. There will be few tears at his leaving.

  • Trey J Sandy, UT
    March 11, 2014 2:06 p.m.

    I have never heard of this Senator before and know nothing about him. My first impression of him after reading this article is that he was elected by the caucus system, expects to have a harder time keeping his seat under the new system, and seems a little bitter about the whole thing. In my view, he isn't doing himself any favors by writing this article. His strategy must be to make an appeal to the far right in hope that it somehow keeps him in office.

  • JJ1094 Saratoga, UT
    March 11, 2014 2:03 p.m.

    Looking at politics from a Utah County perspective; this is an attempt to end the Republican party and values we have held for many years. Those involved in the push (the liberal leaning Republicans by name only which you reference as "moderate") to make a sweeping change as they don't like being booed, or even voted out. Yet they know that, as you point out, that a candidate with a "D" is not readily electable out side of Salt Lake.

    Their solution was to coerce the legislative changes to a private political party. Does the state serve the people? I would much rather seen the Republican Party stand up and say no - this is our private party and we will select our candidates how we choose.

  • FDRfan Sugar City, ID
    March 11, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    And thus ends our last defense against the ignorant, lazy, incompetent masses of mediocre citizenry.

  • Wessel12 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    I think Stuart Reid has been drinking. He hit the alarmist talking points, mentioning abortion, religion, drinking and gays. I am surprised he didn't find a way to work "moral majority" and "liberal Media" in there.

  • Z South Jordan, UT
    March 11, 2014 12:13 p.m.

    Wow! Just, wow! I'm sorry, Senator Reid, but I only made it about half-way through your article. By that point I was laughing so hard I couldn't stay on my chair.

    Thank you for showing us exactly WHY we need a second road to the primary. Not, of course, for what you said, but for what you meant.

  • jean22 Bountiful, UT
    March 11, 2014 12:12 p.m.

    Wow! Just Wow!

    After reading this article, I am THRILLED that SB54 passed!

  • ronk-sandy SANDY, UT
    March 11, 2014 11:56 a.m.

    Wow, I have never read a more ranting and raving article from a member of our State Legislature than this one from Sen Reid! I am even more convinced that SB54 was the right thing to do. Give the vote back to the people? Sen Reid's points of view also should have all of us wishing we had term-limits so we can limit this kind of holier-than-thou attitude from our politicians. Maybe a little bit of ranting and raving is okay once in a while, but this went overboard and shows a politician that is bent on maintaining his self-serving points of view and ability to stay in power. Truly this State has enough good people that can also serve in the legislature and broaden our perspective of good government.

  • Furry1993 Ogden, UT
    March 11, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    I have the misfortune to live in the district Reid purportedly represents. My husband and I, and a lot of our neighbors, do not appreciate his far-right extremist viewpoints. We will be doing our best to get him out of office. It won't be in the next election -- he has the district and its caucus system basically hog-tied -- but hopefully (and soon) we will be able to find a TRUE conservative (aka mainstream) Republican to replace him. He is a disaster who, unfortunately, has found a place to happen. Thanks to SB54 for finally loosening his hold on the district and giving us a way to get a GOOD representative in his place.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    March 11, 2014 10:30 a.m.

    Mr. Reid doesn't even make an attempt at explaining how SB54 will cause any of the results he lays out in detail.

    I guess he can't be accused of using faulty logic, since he doesn't use any logic at all. Not trying to take a dig at him, just pointing out what should be obvious to anyone.

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    March 11, 2014 10:25 a.m.

    If it really does mean the end of domination by right-wing ideologues like this writer, I'm all for it. Couldn't be happier. Thank you, SB54.

    March 11, 2014 9:25 a.m.

    Welcome to the future.

  • tiwula ALPINE, UT
    March 11, 2014 8:59 a.m.

    I hope you're wrong, but I fear you're right. In my estimation, the CMV messaging hides the true agenda and is filled with inaccuracies.

    The SB54 compromise creates a means of exploitation and a lever to secure power without the vetting process that the caucus system provides.

  • travelrus murray, UT
    March 11, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    Senator Reid doesn't want to loose the voters that just hit the R in the ballot booth. The Republican Party is already warring with each other and he can't blame SB54 for that fact. One good thing that could happen is the voting public will have to pay better attention to who the candidate is. And if they do we may end up with legislators who represent the people of Utah and not the party. I plan to stay an unaffiliated voter because I have always voted for the person and not the party, more people should try it and get out and VOTE.

  • E Sam Provo, UT
    March 11, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Oh, my word. Also, expect polar bears to migrate south and eat all our children. Sorry, chicken little, but the sky is not falling.

  • Mamma C HEBER CITY, UT
    March 11, 2014 8:13 a.m.

    Thank you, Senator Reid.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    March 11, 2014 8:08 a.m.

    "Ultimately, that dependence will result in the Legislature becoming much more liberal."

    Works for me.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 11, 2014 6:45 a.m.

    The two party system is already dead in Utah.