Very few illegals pay taxes. Many many more use & abuse our overly generous
welfare system, our educational system and our medical system. ERs in CA file
for bankruptcy because by law they must accept the costly illegals for any and
every medical reason. The ERs are never compensated for the huge costs. As a
citizen of the US, my family can Not afford to be treated at an ER, except under
extreme emergencies, yet these people walk in at anytime and must be treated by
law because of a judges ruling. Citizens of CA voted for Prop 187 years ago, to
prohibit such costly abuses, but a judge overturned the voice of the people and
created an overwhelming & expensive $$Burden. What is wrong with our
system?? Don't be fooled.
Legal immigration supplies this country with all the help we need. Record
setting one million a year green cards and 3.2 million work visas are an all
time high (2011). This is questionable with over 20 million people looking for
full time jobs, and those here illegally moving into service, construction,
hospitality, etc jobs. Jobs that can't be moved overseas, and are needed
for our citizens. Processing paper work faster accomplishes nothing.
There are only so many openings each year. If you don't want lines, then
petition to return to immediate families and stop giving our visas to everyone
in a persons extended family. The person here for 34 years was eligible for five
different amnesties, I would like to hear the full story.Business is
pulling out all the stops to retain their cheap labor, and keep from being
charged with a felony for each person hired here illegally. I wonder how many of
the pro-illegal comments here are representing the business lobby?
Change the law? Probably no. Reform the system that takes lots of $$, stacks of
bureaucratic paperwork, and (in some cases) takes decades to process said
paperwork -- definitely reform that process!!! Consider this --
what would you do if the DMV drivers license process worked like our green-card
process? Wait to drive 'til they were done? Get politically active? Drive
anyway because you needed to in order to get a paycheck? ---
When laws are just, then surely uphold them. When they are not just, as a
community, as a nation, reform the law rather than asking people to be battered
against unjust laws. The first dozen or so comments reflect a reality of
remembered white-ethnic European migration (except the Irish). Just wait,
you'll be allowed in. It does not reflect the reality of the long
migrations of people of color from Mexico, Central America, China and other
nations from around the world (See Howard Zinn's book: A People's
History of the United States). Reformation is needed so that economic
migration (which is not taking away the jobs most American citizens are applying
for) and citizenship paths can be about dignity, respect, and egalitarian
values. As President Roosevelt (FDR) said not so long ago: "Remember,
remember always, always that all of us, and you and I especially, are descended
from immigrants and revolutionists." Our nation is about welcome. Our God
is about welcoming all who are created to the table. 34 years is too long to
wait as the wife of Jose Bonilla listed in the article. May we fast in Lent for
welcome and law (legal)reformation.
Nowhere did I say I supported illegal behavior. I've only qualified how we
should punish it. And yes, I have defended the same principle for other crimes
all over this the Deseret News website.What does it take to convince
a man to soften his heart and have compassion for others who've made
mistakes?What does it take to convince someone who's sinned to
forgive others who've sinned?What does it take to show someone you
can uphold the law, and do it in a compassionate way?The LDS Church
released an official statement on this issue. My belief has been that exact
position from the very beginning.* We discourage people from
breaking the law, we don't condone it* For those who do, in our
justice and punishments we must still treat each other as children of God*
We're "concerned that any state legislation that only contains
enforcement provisions is likely to fall short of the high moral standard of
treating each other as children of God"
dave4197The comments here I believe, were directed towards those who come
here illegally, not legal immigration. Correct me if I am wrong. People are coming here legally for the reasons you mentioned. But some are
coming here illegally, equal to the populations of Utah, Idaho, Wyoming, Montana
and Nevada. The demand is greater than the supply, there will always
be a wait. Like a movie house, we only have so many tickets. Our laws should
never be written to satisfy business lobbyists who want to flood our country
with cheap labor, and sell out the 20 million Americans looking for full time
I take issue with each of the above posters, except cjb. All of you posters
have reasons or attitudes that you just do not want immigrants, you are
blockers, you are not reasonable. You're overdue for change. There's a
sea change coming. Please people. The reasons so many cross our
borders is to seek the freedoms we have and for access to our economy. The root
causes of this migration are relief from poverty and oppression. The US does
not stand for oppression or poverty for all. We in the US stand for freedom and
opportunity, let's show that. We in the US have a relatively opulent
economy, let's help our neighbors. Bienvenidos amigos. My ancestors were
immigrants, where did yours come from? I stand with those who try to
comprehensively change our present terrible immigration policy into a policy
that allows immigration in a few months instead of several decades. Stop hanging your hat on the rule of law. Our rule has always been to stop
injustice where it exists, and the present law is an injustice. And the fence
is a fool's errand.
Should we change the US laws to accommodate the illegals? If people are leaving
countries because of oppression and corruption, maybe these people should take
note of how the Ukraine people over threw their government. And are fighting
for their rights.
cjb; that's not much of an argument, since they took it from someone else.
At least the US paid for it.
“I will choose good over evil and will accept responsibility for my
decisions.”“Good, law-abiding citizenship is a key to
more abundant, joyful living. Taxes could be much lower, people would be more
happy with their neighbors, homes would be strengthened, and each individual
would find more inner peace, if laws were better observed.”LDS
President Spencer W. KimballEnsign Magazine - 1977I doubt God
will allow illegal immigration into Heaven. I think he has already given us his
answer about illegally coming here, thou shall not steal, lie or covet. And we
are to live the laws of the land. It's time we force business into
following our laws, and require those here illegally to return home and come
back legally. It may take years, but the lesson of honesty to your children
could last generations.
I know it. I Live it. I Love itDo you feel this way about all people
who break laws, or just those that break immigration laws. This is
not an issue of compassion, but of supplying business with cheap labor.
Otherwise we would see people arguing for amnesty of bank robbery, murder,
stealing etc. Let us not forget those here who have lost jobs, had
id's stolen etc. It's time we show our compassion for them. Amnesty begets amnesty, rewarding dishonesty begets more dishonesty.
I have been taught since my childhood to be subject to kings, presidents, rulers
and magistrates in obeying, honoring and sustaining the law. So I think that
these people should obey all immigration laws. I hope and pray that
someday my church leaders will feel the same on this issue.
Dozens of punishments exist in U.S. law. Those who demand only one aren't
interested in justice, but something else.All of our motivations
come from one of only two sources. It's no wonder that in a day when every
other facet of our society is coming apart, that people can't see this
issue with sobriety either.How we treat others who have made
mistakes is not only a moral issue, but it also reflects the treatment we
deserve when we make mistakes. And if any of us feels that we haven't, we
are accepting something that simply isn't true.In the day that
we need help, we will be measured by how willing we have been to help others.
It's funny how the sort of people who support letting illegals in without
consequence spout separation of Church and State... until it supports their
"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the
sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a
robber." (John 10:1)Thomas Sowell said: Let's go back to
square one. The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is not to be
either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants. The purpose of immigration laws
and policies is to serve the national interest of this country. There is no
inherent right to come live in the United States, in disregard of whether the
American people want you here. Nor does the passage of time confer any such
right retroactively. It should cost more to break the law than to
obey it.Immigration laws are the only laws that are discussed in
terms of how to help people who break them. The person here
illegally for 35 years was eligible for the amnesties of 1986, 1994, 1997, 2000.
"We" don't ask people to come here illegally,
that's the doing of the dishonest businessmen. Give amnesty,
more will come creating the same problem. The deaths in the desert, trafficking,
and the cost to taxpayers is on those who encourage illegal immigration.
Commenters here wonder why immigrants who haven't respected our law are
supported by various powers that be. In part this is because when much of the
land the United States has now was acquired, the prior owners rights and laws of
the previous land owners weren't respected. This being the case we
don't have clear title to this land, those whom we refer to as illegals
also have just claim to this land.It is only right that we be at
least as liberal to others, especially the descendants from whom we took the
land, as we were in helping ourselves to what didn't belong to us at the
time.These people haven't respected our laws, but neither did
we respect their laws when the land was acquired.
In 1965 we changed our laws to stop allowing just immediate families, and
instead allowing extended families. Before 1965 we averaged 500,000 people
coming here each year on green cards. Now we allow over one million each year,
our immigration laws are the most liberal in the world. We let in more people
than the rest of the world combined. We are already the most streamlined country
in the world. You can't speed up a process when there is millions of people
waiting in other countries, and the demand exceeds the available spots. As far as reforms go, we have given out seven amnesties since 1986,
involving over 6 million people. That is very significant. I think
some of our religious leaders are encouraging people to come here illegally,
instead of trying to help people by telling them to follow the laws of the land.
Love is sending people down the path of righteousness; rewarding
illegal/dishonest behavior is not love.
Yes, we need to have immigration reform, maybe even increasing the number of
LEGAL immigrants allowed each year.However, any attempt to give
amnesty (no matter what euphemism is used to describe the decriminalizing of
violation of long standing laws) is totally wrong, immoral and unacceptable.One question for the amnesty advocates- will you be there demanding
amnesty and freedom from prosecution for law abiding citizens who decide it is
inconvenient, or economic hardship to bother obeying laws about paying taxes?
Why is that any different?Either we have laws and enforce them, and
punish those who break them, or we do not have any laws at all.
Where are all the posts complaining of separation of church and state? Oh, yea
Politically correct religious views can be as loud as they want. Its only those
religious viewpoints that differ from Democratic Party dogma that must be
silenced by the IRS.
AZDZRTFOX,I agree. There is nothing inherently or automatically
racist about it.I believe loving people isn't hard either.
Showing mercy, while requiring justice, is something I believe to be good and
honorable.When a cop caught me speeding, he fined me.I
hated the fine, I couldn't afford it. But it taught me a lesson. The point
of justice isn't revenge but to teach and help people be better. I believe
in welcoming others into our free country. I believe people who want freedom
want to come here.But I also believe in respecting the law. That is
why I support a system which allows "undocumented immigrants are allowed to
square themselves with the law" just as I was able to pay a fine and not be
arrested or imprisoned for my criminal behavior on the road.See, the
thing is... we don't have to split up families in order to satisfy the law,
make things right, document people, and begin to really protect our borders.
I've never felt there was anything hard to understand about that either.
Only the merciful obtain mercy. Our country needs more of it right now, not
If we want to retain our national identity, protect our economy and prevent
overpopulation, we need to deport millions of illegal Mexicans first. Then
deport the rest of the illegals who have come here ignoring our laws.
The federal government has made it more difficult than it needs to be.The
BIA looks for reasons to grant amnesty from the faux court, and millions of
illegals have magically been given papers.As a result, many of illegals
feel entitled to work papers.The very notion of unlawful presence has
morphed into an amnesty plan through the BIA, and slowed things down in the
process. People should not have to wait months to be deported. This court ought
to look for any evidence that the person came here legally. If not, the person
is returned to their home country with a warning that the next time they will be
jailed, then deported.The way these immigration hearings are conducted
today gives all illegal aliens hope. So they stay here.Bottom line: Either
our borders and visas mean something or they don't. The current lack of
enforcement and administrative latitude is not helping the situation one bit.
I am in complete agreement with those mentioned in the article who are pushing
for comprehensive immigration reform. Like so many other things about our
bloated, wasteful, inefficient and ineffective federal government, it has needed
drastic reform and overhaul for a long, long time.I am also in
complete agreement with "AZDZRTFOX", who correctly points out that
reform of the immigration system and process should never include ignoring the
importance enforcing our current laws.Even though our current
President, someone who swore and oath of allegiance to the Constitution and by
implication, to the laws produced therefrom, has shown a dangerous and
unprecedented eagerness to flaunt laws he deems unworthy of his concern and
respect (correctly spelled), that is not something that should be either
emulated or condoned by the rest of usTo do otherwise invites and
accelerates the deterioration of our society, the ultimate result of which is a
lawless, corrupt and crumbling country, like many of the places those who come
here, legally and otherwise, are hoping to escape.
You want people to stop dying in the desert, enforce our laws. Amnesty/reform
just encourages more to come here illegally. Families are separated by dishonest
behavior, not by the laws, just as a bank robber is jailed and separated from
his family. People need to take responsibility for their own lives, and we need
to use enforcement as a deterrent to stop this problem completely. Are we going to enforce our laws, or not?
Why is it so difficult to distinguish those people who respect our nation and
it's laws, who come here via the LEGAL immigration process, and those who
disrespect our nation and it's laws and feel they have some "right"
to enter into, or remain in, our country illegally?Simply said-
Legal immigrants GOOD, illegal immigrants BAD.There is nothing
racist, bigoted or xenophobic about this. It's a matter of Safety,
Security, R-E-S-P-E-C-T, and Honesty.