Alcohol makes people violent, marijuana makes people docile. Perhaps if
marijuana extract were put into the alcohol people drink, they would be more
peaceful when they get drunk.
" . . . all reasonable people agree that alcohol consumption imposes
significant costs upon society." Well, yes and no.If you're
talking excess, yes. Otherwise no.Too much of anything imposes
significant costs and society.. . . Like to much oversimplifying in
Deseret News op eds . . . especially if people are too trusting to think before
accepting a claim as fact.
The Utah legislature, where one can rail against the tyranny of government
taking away our freedoms and liberty while at the same time creating a
nanny-state in which restaurants are required to pay thousands of dollars to
hide the offending alcohol from view. Let the free market decide! If a
restaurant doesn't have the partition and you are offended, then support
another establishment, or heaven forbid ask for a seat in another section of the
restaurant.I have not met one person in favor of this law. Just
read the comments on this story in the LDS Church owned newspaper - every one of
them is against this silly government overreach.
It is strange that they make them set partitions to block the preparation of
drinks. These things are based on Mormon point of view and sometimes it is
strange! I grew up Mormon. Half the family were active Mormon and the other half
were the drinkers and smokers. My mom made sure we went to church. I was always
around people who drank bear and whiskey and smoked in our house. In church I
was taught not to drink. I didn't drink and watching them pour whiskey in
their coke didn't make me want to drink! If a kid is going to drink,
putting up that stupid partition will do nothing to prevent it. as a matter of
fact, the more you harp about it and do those things, the more curious the kids
become! Weren't these people ever children?I guess what bothers me is
knowing just how much people get looked down at just because they want a glass
of wine or a margarita with their food. Parents teach kids that people who drink
are evil. It is strange.
noncelebSalt Lake City, UTYa, I have yet to hear ONE
person ever tell me they started "drinking" when they saw someone
working the bar.Most of the kids I know started "dinking"
because - like 2 year olds - teeneagers naturally explore their boundries, Mommy and Daddy told them not to, friends Double-Dog-Dared them to, or all of the above.Utahns tend to drink harder when they do
drink, because it is cheaper to buy an entire bottle, than a single drink,
and who wants to carry around a half empty bottle?Utah's
liquor laws are just plain stupid, and actually do more harm than good.
Time and time again our myriad of complex liquor laws are being credited with
our lower consumption in Utah. When will we acknowledge that the real reason is
the high percentage of non-drinking Mormons in this state. Most of our liquor
laws are just plain silly. And the reason given from legislators for hiding the
mixing of drinks was to keep it out of the view of younger patrons. I do not
know any of them who made a far-fetched claim that it would turn a restaurant
into more of a bar.
As a resident of Utah, I find the conclusion of this editorial offensive and
wrong. The "Zion Wall" does nothing to deter anyone from consuming
alcohol, nor does obscuring the creation of drinks have any impact on an
individuals choice of drinking. The real reason Utah has such low alcohol abuse
and DUI rates, is because of the citizens of Utah are making the right choices.
These choices can include abstaining from the consumption of alcohol due to
religious or health beliefs or if people choose to consume alcohol they do so in
the most responsible way possible. This newspaper should congratulate the
majority of Utahan's for making responsible decisions.
You could change the Utah laws to "Open bar 24/7" and it wouldn't
change a thing.There is a simple explanation for this:The
dominate religion in this Sate (50%) isn't drinking regardless of what the
law says.This is perfect example of the Tail wagging the [State
Every time I see or hear the phrase Zion Curtain, The end of the Wizard of Oz
comes to mind.
Utah's laws have little to do with how many people do or don't drink
here, and everybody knows it. It's disingenuous to claim otherwise.
I don't drink. But Utah's liquor laws are absurd. I don't
believe they provide an incentive to drink less. The opposite may be the case -
look at the lines at the liquor stores where people are buying big bottles of
the stuff (as opposed to someone having one or two drinks at a bar or
restaurant). If Utah has a lower incidence of alcohol issues it's because
of the predominance of Mormons, not because of the laws controlling it.
If people don't want to expose their children to alcohol consumption, they
should leave them home when they go to restaurants (as a special favor to other
The Zion curtain serves no purpose. If it did then the state would require all
restaurants to have it including the ones that were grandfathered in when the
law took place.The only law the state has that really shows a
restaurant is a restaurant is the law that requires food to be ordered with a
I really don't think the Zion Curtain goes far enough! I mean once they tap
that beer or mix that drink safely hidden behind the curtain, the waiter
delivers that same beer or drink to the patrons RIGHT IN FRONT OF EVERYONE. I
would propose we develop little Zion Beer Cozies to cover them up as they pass
through the restaurants in front of the vulnerable and the impressionable. We
could even call them "hood winks". That'll cut down on people being
So how does the "zion curtain" stop people from drinking? An partition
that hides the people that make the drinks is not what makes a restraunt a
restraunt. I mean, do you really confused Applebee's or Chillies with a
place like Bar-X? Of course not, one just serves booze, and the other has a bar
in one part. There isn't any proof for it, and let's be honest, the
reason Utah has less alchol related problems is because half the state
doesn't drink, and that's because their LDS, not because kids
can't see you pouring drinks when they go to TGI Fridays.
"Results from the same study show only 32 percent of Utah residents said
that they drank alcohol within the last month, almost half of Wisconsin's
63.1 percent."The DNews and their owners contend that the laws
in Utah are the only reason we don't have higher numbers of drinkers. They
conveniently forget the fact that the major religious affiliation also affects
these numbers. The LDS church still has yet to show how having the "Zion
Curtain" has helped to lower and maintain the low numbers of drinkers. The
"Zion Curtain" is simply an asinine attempt to "protect" people
from being offended. The "Zion Curtain" is just another way
to force people to conform to LDS church teachings, whether they are LDS or not.
It's ridiculous. Get rid of it.
This statement: alcohol consumption imposes significant costs upon society is
false. The "overconsumption" or the "irresponsible
consumption" yes. Simple consumption: no.
So true, so true. Yes we definitely need the Utah Legislature to guide us on
what we should be and should not be exposed to. We, the general public, are
unwise and need this special guidance. I also think the Utah Legislature should
make laws that all food stores must put labels on all soda pop and other items
that are high in sugar content. We the public are becoming obese at an alarming
rate. And why doesn't the Legislature ban all tobacco products? We all
know, yes, even us the simple public, know how harmful smoking is to the human
body. While they are at it, shouldn't the Legislature pass laws limiting
the amount of red meat people are allowed to eat and close all those despicable
stores that sell, ugh, doughnuts! Yes, we need the Utah Legislature to help us
become good and healthy. Thank God for the Utah Legislature!
"Alcohol consumption imposes significant costs upon society." But
alcohol also delivers significant benefits. Alcohol itself is a relaxant.
Moreover, wine, especially red wine, confers a number of significant health
benefits. In fact advocates of the food pyramid recommend one drink per day for
women and two drinks per day for men.Of course moderation is the
key. There are distinct benefits to keeping consumption under control, no
question. The problem for us in Utah is that alcohol is matter of religious
faith, and alcohol consumption itself must be demonized. That's what the
so-called Zion Curtain is about in large part.There are many
statistics which show favorable outcomes from Utah's moderate alcohol use.
But recent reports have it that Utah has the worst mental health in the nation.
Could there be a connection between that and a possible too tight use of
alcohol? Is alcohol better that Lexapro?