Topic of the day: What to do with Putin?

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  • 1covey Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2014 8:35 a.m.

    I reviewed the political cartoon shown in the DN collection where EU members, obviously in good health, are looking at a scrawny Putin and Saying " Sometimes, I miss the old bear". Interesting.

  • Sal Provo, UT
    March 7, 2014 3:37 p.m.

    Russia should be removed from the U.N. Security Council.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    March 6, 2014 12:26 p.m.

    @shane... you know... you started out so well, with a reasonable statement, then you went party line rhetoric. Do you really believe all the ills of the world are caused by democrats, and the only time conservatives failed is because somewhere in the past, liberals made them fail. Is the world really all that black and white to you?

    Russia does have a point of leverage right now. But that window will close. The North Sea developments are moving from oil to Natural Gas. Even Shell just signed a contract to develop natural gas resources right there in the Ukraine. The US - yes the evil Obama - is in the process of approving 24 export permits for US natural gas - 6 have been approved already. The US is worlds largest producer of natural gas, and soon will be the worlds leading exporter of natural gas.

    It will take time for all this capacity to come on line. Some as soon as 2015.. others not until 2020. But Russia has a narrow window of leverage...and that window is closing.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 5, 2014 10:57 p.m.

    This whole mantra of posting Putin as a strong leader is ridiculous.

    All the experts, yes all those who live in and study Russia have said this is not in any way a planned invasion, and it's especially not part of a long term excursion. It was entirely opportunistic with the internal political struggles of Ukraine, and Putin is taking a huge chance.

    One poster says Putin can control Europe by threatening to turn off the oil. If he did that the Russian economy would crash entirely in a very short time. Russia's economy is a one trick pony, oil. They need Europe as much as Europe needs them.

    Just in the past few days Russia's futures market has gone bizerk with the possibility of a loss of customers.

    But hey it's a great opportunity to spread more lies about Obama, who cares what the truth is. there is only one truth that matters...we hate Obama.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    March 5, 2014 8:20 p.m.

    The echo chamber of right wingness is just going nuts.

    One month it's, "why is Obama so angry", the next month, " Obama is too weak". "He's a dictator with executive orders! "He's weak and doesn't do anything". How dare he do anything with Syria!" "How dare he not do anything about Russia!"

    Ok, we get it. It's opposite day for 8 years. Don't forget to put up your toys.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2014 3:51 p.m.

    Sounds like "just blame Bush" is still the game with some people....

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 5, 2014 3:32 p.m.

    Cedar Hills, UT

    You know, this is all looking very if something very, very similar had happened just in the last 80 years....

    12:45 p.m. March 5, 2014


    Why don't stop complaining and enlist in the military why don't 'cha?

    Just like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity did...NOT! ever.

    As aveteran, nothing pains me more than this sort of over the top rhetoric from the Chickenhawks who never go to war on the right.
    Let alone HOW they plan to pay for all these little global boondoggles without Increasing the Size of Government or Raising any taxes.

    And GW Bush not doing anything about Russia and Georgia because he was busy with CLINTON'S? financial mess?
    You mean -- like that $1.8 Trillion SURPLUS he left Bush to burn?

    Just when I thought I'd heard it all?...

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 3:10 p.m.

    Remember when Romney told us Russia was a risk?

    Barack said it wasn't.

    Once again it was a swing and miss for barack.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:50 p.m.

    Geez, I don't know...

    Imagine yourself as a Russian living in the city of Khoroshevo-Mnevniki 10-20 years ago.
    You are reading Pravda, and asking these similar questions yourself --

    Hmmm, What are we going to do about that Pres. Bush?
    If he invades Kuwait, should we attack America?
    If his son Jr. attacks and invades Iraq, should we attack America?

    If we Russians just sit back and let them take it,
    we will look weak to the rest of the world.

    Now --
    you have the audicty to sit there and think Putin or Russia is the Global Bullies?

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    March 5, 2014 2:48 p.m.

    Bush couldn't react to the Georgia incursion because he was being spuriously maligned for the financial crisis? Sheesh, just when you think you've heard them all!

    As to Reagan being able to negotiate from a position of strength, don't blame Obama for his position. America's ability to negotiate from a position of moral and military strength died in the sands of Iraq. The decline in America's global leadership is the direct outcome of neo-conservative overreach.

    Let the EU deal with this. It's their doorstep, and frankly their mess for botching up economic negotiations with Ukraine's previous president which lead to the crisis.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:22 p.m.

    CHS 85,
    Reagan demonstrated that the use of force is often unnecessary to accomplish significant things in foreign affairs. The difference is that Reagan operated from a position of strong leadership and respectability, at home and abroad. Obama has neither leadership nor respectability abroad.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:20 p.m.

    Mr Bass,
    You are correct that the Bush administration, too, was weak at the time of the Georgia invasion. Bush was dealing with being blamed by the misinformed for a financial industry crisis created largely in 1994 by the Democrats and Bill Clinton.

    That doesn't change the fact that the world considers Obama to be laughable today, with his apology tours and erratic foreign policy.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:13 p.m.

    So what should we do again? Invade Russia? Start a major war with an unstable country, who has nuclear weapons? Or is this really because you want to complain about Obama?

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:09 p.m.

    I expect to see Mr. Putin do as he pleases. He's a man with a plan and the resources to back it up. He's on his home ground or has short Lines of Communication and a large and well equipped military at hand.

    This, and I think it could be reasonably defended, and previous administrations are and were novices in foreign affairs and diplomacy. They have no plan, some think no clue, as to what to do. We and our "allies" are weak militarily, have long extended LOC's and no treasury to finance much more than a news conference and plane fare for SecState to scold people like a small house dog on a window sill barking at people from inside the window.

    We are about to relive history, that boring subject the younger generation skipped in school.

    Elections matter, candidates matter. Maybe sometime, someday we'll field candidates who have resumes that matter.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:08 p.m.

    That's a tough question

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:56 p.m.

    Shane333 writes: "...and more of the same impotence from Obama."

    The obvious question in regards to incompetence is: why didn't Bush/Cheney do anything about the Russian invasion of Georgia in 2008?

    Where was the right wing blame pointed to the White House in 2008?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 5, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    I think we should immediately send in every available military person in Europe. I think a full-fledged invasion is all that will make the (non-military-serving) conservatives happy. Anything short of an invasion is capitulation.

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    March 5, 2014 12:45 p.m.

    Russia invades a neighbor, South Ossetia (part of Georgia), and creates an occupied satellite region of influence. The rest of the world cries foul but essentially does nothing in the hopes of pacifying the aggressor.
    Next, Russia invades another neighbor, Crimea (part of Ukraine), and creates an occupied satellite region of influence. The rest of the world cries foul but essentially does nothing in the hopes of pacifying the aggressor.

    You know, this is all looking very if something very, very similar had happened just in the last 80 years....

  • Shane333 Cedar Hills, UT
    March 5, 2014 12:04 p.m.

    Perhaps the more pertinent question is, "what is Putin going to do to his neighbors?"

    Let's face it, Putin is in the position of power and he knows it. Putin has the oil and natural gas resources that the rest of Europe depend on. All Putin has to do is threaten to turn off the flow, and all of western Europe will roll over and do as commanded like well trained pet dogs.

    The US can moan and wail as much as it wants, but the world knows that President Obama is completely impotent when it comes to international affairs. Putin already established that in the handling of Syria. While Obama engages in apology tours, Putin flexes his country's muscles and has no problem expanding Russia's sphere of influence.

    Expect to see more of the same expansion from Putin, and more of the same impotence from Obama.