Jay Evensen: Obama could use a dose of 1980s foreign policy right now

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  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 6, 2014 7:37 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass

    We did not bomb Grenada. We invaded and left. It was in response to the illegal overthrow and execution of Grenadian Prime Minister Maurice Bishop by communist rebels. The date of the invasion is now a national holiday in Grenada, called Thanksgiving Day.

    We did not bully New Zealand to take 'nukes.' A left-wing Prime Minister named David Lange banned entry of nuclear-powered and nuclear-armed warships into New Zealand waters. We threatened to severe the ANZUS treaty after the USS Buchanan was refused a port-visit by the New Zealand government on the on the grounds that it was "potentially capable of carrying nuclear weapons."

    Ernest, sadly ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force. Weakness, passivity, ineptitude or other liberal foreign policies are never rewarded and almost always exploited. The foreign policy of the 1980s was Reagan's "peace through strength" axiom. Because of it, people who lived in Angola, Cambodia, The Philippines, Poland, El Salvador, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Albania, Hungary, Yugoslavia and the former republics of the Soviet Union now enjoy freedom their parents and grandparents could only dream of.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    March 5, 2014 2:01 p.m.

    Want 80s foreign policy? Should we bomb Greneda again, or bully New Zealand to take our nukes?
    The fact is, Reagan did nothing but bully nations without a recognizable military. The US was the bully in the 80s and still is. As with most bullies, they don't like other bullies. That's all this is, the right wing bully mentality can't stand seeing someone else (Putin in this case) bully someone else.
    Maybe we can re-invade Iraq to make you all feel good about yourselves.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    March 5, 2014 12:37 p.m.

    I love the conservative reaction to this thing, the absolute NEED to attack our president in ALL things. Remember when they used to say that politics end at the waters edge? When they thought bickering about this kind of stuff made us look weak? Well not anymore. Not with this president.

    I had to go to Provo yesterday (I know, right? Thanks). I listened to Rush on the way down and Sean on the way back. Both of them, of course, were vicious in their attacks of this president concerning this matter. Wow, surprising, right? Yet NEITHER offered ANY suggestion, at all, on what should be done. Sean went off on a rant about strength and action and a need to react with strength and blah blah blah. . . (You know how these guys just talk to hear themselves talk) it sure seemed like he was calling for war. But when a caller hit him up about it, Sean quickly said, before hanging up on him, "Bulub, redipulous, I don't think we should go to war.

    Then WHAT should we do there that President Obama isn't already doing? WHAT is it conservatives, that you want done?

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 5, 2014 9:46 a.m.

    The Leader of Al Qaeda and mastermind of 9/11 is dead,
    Total withdrawal from Iraq,
    Final withdrawal from Afghanistan in a few months,
    No Invasions of Libya, Egypt, or Syria during the Arab Spring protests,
    Ordered the Navy Seal’s attack on Somali pirates, and the use of drones strikes off the Horn of Africa to assure safe shipping,
    I do not have to pretend to be Canadian when I travel abroad.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    March 5, 2014 8:45 a.m.

    Leesburg, VA
    The world is always watching and will weigh our present actions as they make their future choices. I'm not saying war is the right answer; but don't imagine that inaction doesn't encourage aggression in all its forms.

    6:17 a.m. March 5, 2014

    Who said anything about inaction? Do Nothing?

    My beef is those [usually NON-military, and usually conservatives who don't like Gov. spending or paying higher taxes for anything] who keep suggesting a full out invasion force as the 1st Action, and the ONLY action we have.

    I say it is our LAST option, when all else has been tried, and failed.
    and then only if,
    direct U.S. interests are concerned - and only to Defend America and our Constitution.
    per the Constitution.

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 5, 2014 8:25 a.m.

    "The world is always watching and will weigh our present actions as they make their future choices. I'm not saying war is the right answer; but don't imagine that inaction doesn't encourage aggression in all its forms."


    My other question is why is thoughtfulness inaction?

  • mhenshaw Leesburg, VA
    March 5, 2014 6:17 a.m.

    >> Are allusions to appeasement really what passes for analysis in your neck of the woods?

    To say "we should do nothing to help [invaded country x] because we have no interests there" is a short-sighted calculation. Inaction brings its own long-term consequences; and I have yet to see any of the people here arguing for inaction tell us what they think Putin and the rest of Europe will do next if we stand by and let him seize Crimea. What will the long-term effects on our European interests be? And "none" is the wrong answer. Our European allies and former Soviet Republics who want closer ties to Europe are watching to see whether we'll support them and do nothing.

    The world is always watching and will weigh our present actions as they make their future choices. I'm not saying war is the right answer; but don't imagine that inaction doesn't encourage aggression in all its forms.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    March 4, 2014 9:16 p.m.

    Right, because while Obama can't pass legislation since that's the senate's job, nor can he spend money because that's the Senate's job he should never the less be able to get Russia and all other countries to do whatever Republicans want them to do while not taxing Americans at all and not spending any money.

    Does that sum up republican demands of Barry?

  • Badgerbadger Murray, UT
    March 4, 2014 8:12 p.m.


    "So Mr. Romney has years and years of foreign policy experience?"

    Which makes it all the sadder that he could see it, while Obama, with all access to all US intelligence, couldn't see it.

    You're not helping your man.

  • romeisn'tburning layton, ut
    March 4, 2014 4:55 p.m.

    House Intelligence Committee Chairman Mike Rogers refers to a nation that has not existed since 1993. Czechoslovakia, is now Slovakia and the Czech Republic. Oh dear, how intelligent.

  • Unreconstructed Reb Chantilly, VA
    March 4, 2014 4:19 p.m.

    "You're thinking like Neville Chamberlain. You need to start thinking like Winston Churchill."

    Mark, my reading of Churchill is that he'd be very cautious about poking a nuclear Russian bear without vital strategic interests at stake. Are allusions to appeasement really what passes for analysis in your neck of the woods?

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    March 4, 2014 4:10 p.m.

    What you are doing is feeding off the partisans who complain and offer absolutely nothing. Nothing. Nothing. We can only assume you want WAR!!!!

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 4, 2014 2:46 p.m.


    "1980's foreign policy? Peace Through Strength. The result? The USSR crumbled."

    The Soviet system collapsed because it was a system that could not work. Its doom was forespelled by Europe’s recovery from World War II. The Marxist experiment failed to keep pace with, much less surpass, the West’s free market system. That Communism would never be economically competitive with capitalism was becoming increasingly undeniable for a new generation of power technicians brought up in the Soviet system. Mikhail Gorbachev was among the young reformers who saw the handwriting on the wall.

    The legend that Reagan ended the Cold War is like the parable of the rooster crowing at sunrise and became convinced it was his crowing that caused the sun to come up every morning.

  • XelaDave Salem, UT
    March 4, 2014 2:19 p.m.

    Yes the 80's make for a great place- if we could just get rid of that pesky Internet, bring back cell phones the size of bricks, bring back the Berlin Wall, put some healthy dictators back in power in Central America and Africa and grow out my mullet- sorry the world has moved on and I know some do not want to move on but policy of the 80's does not work today and anyone that thinks it does or will really does have their head in the sand or a simple ax to grind against anything Obama- come into the present- it will hurt a little but it is where you live now and look for solutions that have meaning today not just what worked 40 years ago- WWII policy failed us in Vietnam so why should USSR based policy help any better today?

  • nonceleb Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 2:14 p.m.

    Overzealous military aid and intervention in the 80s had mixed results. Reagan supported repressive regimes in El Salvador, Guatemala and Nicaragua. A scandal emerged from the support of Contras. The invasion of Grenada was silly as marines hit the beach to encounter mostly American medical students getting some sun. Lebanon resulted in a bomb killing 241 Americans. Reagan tried to force New Zealand to abandon its nuclear free-zone plan. As Iran was considered a greater threat than Iraq, we armed Hussein. We also armed what became the Taliban in Afghanistan. Many more hostages were held in the Middle East during Reagan's presidency than the 50 in Iran during Carter's presidency. Intervention in Poland and Angola did not resolve anything. The bombings in Libya had little long-term effects and brought much international protests. Reagan used strong rhetoric against the Soviet Union, but it was mostly Gorbachev who undermined communism with Perestroika and Glasnost. We have deified Reagan into a foreign policy wizard. But his interventions were mostly ineffective and definitely costly.

  • bandersen Saint George, UT
    March 4, 2014 2:07 p.m.

    The real measure of strength is the power to do something and the wisdom to know how to use that power, neither of which is found in Obama. Reagan was the last president who knew how to look eye to eye with a bully and make them back away. Obama only knows politics. He is dangerous to the stability and security of this nation. The freedom fighters in the Ukraine have no alley in Obama and currently a weak United States. I absolutely do not advocate war, but the ability to make a bully stand down is quite another! Obama has no leadership abilities and his patriotism and values seem to be absent. We need leaders that stand for something!

  • mhenshaw Leesburg, VA
    March 4, 2014 1:59 p.m.

    >>what branch of the Military do YOU currently serve in? Do you walk the talk?

    1) Yes.

    2) If prior or current military experience is required before your opinion on national security is valid, then we can disqualify virtually everyone on President Obama's national security team including the president himself.

  • Harrison Bergeron Holladay , UT
    March 4, 2014 1:53 p.m.

    Barak Obama in the 3rd Presidential debate:

    "Governor Romney... a few months ago when you were asked, what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia.... And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because, you know, the Cold War's been over for 20 years."

    Mitt Romney:

    "First of all, Russia, I indicated, is a geopolitical foe....I have clear eyes on this. I'm not going to wear rose-colored glasses when it comes to Russia or Mr. Putin, and I'm certainly not going to say to him, I'll give you more flexibility after the election. After the election he'll get more backbone."

    So sad that the American public was wearing rose-colored glasses when it comes to Obama.

  • So-CalAggie Park City, Ut
    March 4, 2014 1:51 p.m.

    Well it's not the 1980's, that's the problem! Mr. Gorbachev tear down this wall rhetoric isn't going to work. And I love, absolutely love the straw men comments about Obama and the "he should have taken lessons from Romney" Really? Obama has been president for 5 years now, what's Romney done? One term Gov? Could he see Canada from Massachusetts I wonder? The Olympics? After Tom Welsh and company did all work and Romney road in on his high horse to take the credit? Laughable. Romney is good at two things, making people money and looking like a 60 year old ken doll. Beyond that, he has nothing to offer the current situation other than some bogus old guard and outdated (nostalgic) rhetoric. Building new "ships" test firing ICMB's and filling more warehouses full of weapons isn't going to get us out of this one! That was then, this is now!

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 1:50 p.m.

    @ Schnee:

    You are correct in your assessment of the Russian incursion into Georgia.

    I think this situation would be the same under a President McCain, or Romney. We have elected presidents who have pandered to and focused on domestic issues and have little experience in foreign affairs.

    What should we do? We should do what we are capable of doing, which is nothing of substance. Before we entertain any adventure, I suggest we count the cost in lives, property and treasury and identify a compelling National Interest to be defended or pursued first. To follow the knee-jerk reaction of Ready, Fire, Aim would not be in our best interests.

    Our “allies” heat their homes on Russian natural gas and they have reduced their military to little more than shells of what they were in the last part of the 20th Century. IF they have heartburn over this matter, let them shoulder the burden and do something.

    I suspect there is much that has transpired, and that will transpire that we as a public are ignorant. Let's wait and see how the dust settles.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 4, 2014 1:12 p.m.

    1980's foreign policy? Peace Through Strength. The result? The USSR crumbled.

    2014 foreign policy? Well... other than a weaker military and lots of red lines in the sand....I have no idea.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 4, 2014 12:55 p.m.

    Centerville, UT
    Military service is commendable, but, is not a hammer to drive out differing ideas and opinions. It does not equate to the absolute truth of liberal theology. As a truly open minded Mormon, I have listened to many returning Vets from World War II to the recent conflicts in the middle east. Most do not adhere to a liberal theology. I try to glean truth and knowledge from any source.

    12:20 p.m. March 4, 2014


    Yet, isn't that what YOU non-military guys threatening military action in Crimea is doing?

    BTW -- I went in the military a hard-core conservaive.
    After see what war REALLY is, I came out a bleeding heart liberal.

    The loudest voices for War, are always from those who are clueless about it.

    I'm 3rd generation Veteran.
    Ask any of us if we'd ever want to go back and do it again.
    None of us would.

    Veterans as the LAST to want war.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 4, 2014 12:36 p.m.

    Open Minded Mormon
    You don't know what Romney would be doing, that's irrelevant.


    Nobody's saying we go to war over Crimea. You automatically go to the rhetorical extreme based on your political stereotypes and assumptions.

    We should deal with what's actually going on (instead of deflecting it, and presuming everything would be worse IF Romney were President). Let's talk about the guy who IS President!

    What is going on in Crimea today is actually going on. Let's talk about that. Not your pretend strawman arguments of what would be happening IF Romney, McCain, or Bush were President.

    The people of Ukrain kicked out the Russian puppet. They wanted MORE distance between them and Russian politics. And look what they got... Russian soldiers keeping them in line.

    When the USSR collapsed... Ukraine had the 3rd largest Nuclear arsenal in the world.

    Google "nuclear weapons and Ukraine"... Google "1994 Budapest Memorandum"...

    The USA, UK, and Russia, promised to protect Ukraine if they disarmed. They did... 10 years later... they are occupied by Russian military and told they are subjects of the Kremlin.

    And Obama wants the USA to disarm and trust Russia!

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 4, 2014 12:20 p.m.

    Military service is commendable, but, is not a hammer to drive out differing ideas and opinions. It does not equate to the absolute truth of liberal theology. As a truly open minded Mormon, I have listened to many returning Vets from World War II to the recent conflicts in the middle east. Most do not adhere to a liberal theology. I try to glean truth and knowledge from any source.

  • Acegrace Lilburn, GA
    March 4, 2014 12:14 p.m.

    Mitt pulled way too many punches in the debates. He should have burned Obama down on Benghazi. That is a clear cut case of how much this President is not doing and won't admit to.

  • airnaut Everett, 00
    March 4, 2014 11:41 a.m.

    Leesburg, VA
    >> I don't think Crimea is worth going to war over.

    You're thinking like Neville Chamberlain. You need to start thinking like Winston Churchill.

    11:28 a.m. March 4, 2014


    what branch of the Military do YOU currently serve in?
    Do you walk the talk?

  • mhenshaw Leesburg, VA
    March 4, 2014 11:28 a.m.

    >> I don't think Crimea is worth going to war over.

    You're thinking like Neville Chamberlain. You need to start thinking like Winston Churchill.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 4, 2014 11:20 a.m.

    Stalin also practiced genocide in the 1930s killing more than 3 million Ukrainians by starvation.

  • BeSmart Cheyenne, WY
    March 4, 2014 11:10 a.m.

    @ marxist
    Russia is not entirely Russain Speaking. It is 60% Russian speaking the rest of the population are Crimean Tatars, Cossacks, and Ukranians.
    The Crimea was mainly Tatars until the Soviets deported them now they are making their way back from Central Asia.
    Crimea is not worth fighting for, but the Tatars have already said they will not be annexed by Russia and will fight an armed resistance (Tatars are of the islamic faith so they will fight)
    If Russia annexes Crimea it will begin an insurgency (more tatars will come) and the Southwestern part of Russia will be emboldened to strengthen their insurgency.
    Russia is walking a fine line they have groups that will fight within. Russia could open a militant pandoras box.
    The US and allies should kick Russia out of the G8 over this. That is a large punishment because they will no longer be in those negotiations.

  • no fit in SG St.George, Utah
    March 4, 2014 11:03 a.m.

    Ok, so President Obama decides to mediate with threats and then sends American troops to the Ukraine.
    Now wait a minute...
    Republicans never encouraged that! NOW they say, "Never wanted that strong of action"
    Same old game. Just tell him "NO" again.
    The Hawks will only deny what they have said.
    Is it any wonder our President does not listen to the Ultra righties who have had this plan to ruin him since the night he was elected?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 10:57 a.m.

    chs, well let see. Have things played with Russia how barack thought they would go or how Romney thought they would go? You're trying to argue barack was right even when we know now he wasn't.

  • jsf Centerville, UT
    March 4, 2014 10:52 a.m.

    marxist brings out a great point, the Crimea region is primarily Russian speaking ethnic Russians, as is the Eastern half of the Ukraine, the bread basket of Ukraine. And just like the events that kicked off the start of World War I, the Crimea has a dark history. Why is it so Russian, because after World War II the Russians practiced ethnic cleansing. First they forcible removed the ethnic Tartars, 46 percent died in the relocation. Later they removed the ethnic Greeks and other minorities from the coastal areas of the Crimea. Now some of these ethnic groups have been returning to their homeland, a powder keg waiting to explode. Bush failed in Georgia, Obama will fail in the Crimea, and Ukraine will be split down the middle. China will next flex their muscles and we will watch Taiwan fall. We burned our military reserves in the last 10 years. We are spread to thin over Africa, and the Middle East. In wars where politicians determine how to wage a war and there never is a real win objective. We should pull all our troops from around the world, Let Japan, Korea, Germany, Italy, Spain and other nations field their own armies.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 4, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    Morgan, UT
    @Open Minded Mormon

    Okay, but 1st --
    why don't you tell us what branch of the United States military YOU served in?

    What did Russia or Crimea do to attack us - [I work for the Department of DEFENSE, not offense],

    How do you plan of paying for yet another foreign military boondoggle without raising taxes?

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    March 4, 2014 10:45 a.m.

    Obama is not even on par with Jimmy Carter let alone Ronald Reagan. We have no foreign policy or respect globally anymore. Liberals have destroyed this country.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    March 4, 2014 10:44 a.m.

    As was pointed out earlier, it's a bit strange to criticize Obama by pointing out that Al-Qaeda is in shambles, North Korea has less support than ever, and Syria and Iran are in open negotiations--which hadn't been the truth for decades. Those are Obama's greatest successes, and they wouldn't have been, if he'd prioritized Russia (which still doesn't pose a threat to us, I'd like to point out) over those other situation.

    In addition, if we'd been following people like McCain and other leading Republicans, we would currently be in a ground war in Libya and Syria, in addition to not ending our involvement in the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. In other words, we would be embroiled in four concurrent wars--seems to me that would only embolden Putin more because American military power would be beyond taxed.

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    March 4, 2014 10:27 a.m.

    @Open Minded Mormon

    Okay, now why don't you deal with Obama's dismal foreign policy...

    Obama, Kerry, and the Left have shown Putin nothing but weakness, indecisiveness, and ever moving lines in the sand. Putin is playing Obama like a fool, and the rest of the world is watching.

  • Craig Clark Boulder, CO
    March 4, 2014 10:11 a.m.

    "....the United States should begin to treat Russia as one its biggest foreign threats, and that Obama should understand that the more timid the U.S. appears with its military, the more confident Putin appears to be with his."

    Let’s not be blinded to the dangers of overreacting. U.S. actions need to be proportionate to realities, not news headlines that shift from one day to the next. America’s use of military force must be restrained. Calling it timid is language that can unfortunately goad elected decision makers to make unwise decisions in the name of national interest.

  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    March 4, 2014 10:03 a.m.

    If Romney was President --
    He couldn't concern himself with what's happening in Crimea.

    He'd be in over his head with his wars and occupation of Syria, Iran and North Korea.

    and the GOP with their - send in someone else's kid, not mine -
    and increase spending with no new taxes --
    still wouldn't have a clue as to how to pay for it all.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 4, 2014 9:53 a.m.

    Will all those who are snarking at the President please tell us exactly what he SHOULD do that would please them?

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    March 4, 2014 9:50 a.m.

    Hutterite, that was one terrific comment at 9:04 last night. Thank you for reminding us of the real story behind the end of the Cold War and fall of the Soviet Union.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    Can we please stop the my guy vs your guy stuff long enough to look at the situation. Crimea is a separate country from Ukraine. It is autonomous. It has its own parliament. It is entirely Russian-speaking, and its population wants to be part of Russia. Russia wants it closer because Russia's only all-weather port is there. Let's not go to war over this, though I understand with Iraq finally winding down the hawks are anxious for another go (with other guys' sons of course).

  • Sven Morgan, UT
    March 4, 2014 9:16 a.m.

    And all this is happening while Obama is in the process of gutting our military.

    This is what happens when you elect a community agitator...twice.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 4, 2014 9:04 a.m.

    Generally, it appears that people wait to see what is done, and then come out against whatever it is.

    So, What do some of you propose that we do.

    Please be specific.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    March 4, 2014 8:57 a.m.

    It seems President Obama has been able to walk us back to where we were before the Reagan era. I feel like I'm living in the Carter years again, when America couldn't do anything, our line-in-the-sand means nothing. Aand our President was seen as weak (at home and abroad).

    What nation really thinks President Obama will really enforce any of his line in the sand warnings??

    We are shrinking our military at an alarming rate. We are becoming weaker, right when we need to be stronger.

    I don't want us to go to war ANYWHERE in the world. But the best way to prevent that is proving our President and our nation is strong, not weak. Strength PREVENTS wars. It doesn't cause them.

  • Lagomorph Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 8:46 a.m.

    So if we are reviving Reagan's foreign policy, to which terrorist hostage takers do we trade arms with this time around? And which Central American dictators do we deal drugs with to finance the arms-for-hostages deals? Do we "outlaw Russia" and "begin bombing in five minutes"?

  • Schnee Salt Lake City, UT
    March 4, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    "We have no meaningful cards to play "

    And how would that be any different under a President Romney or McCain? None of you even say what you think we should do so it's hard to see what you're even upset about. It's not like this sort of thing didn't happen under a Republican President since Russia actually attacked Georgia in 2008.

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 4, 2014 7:58 a.m.

    @ CHS 85. Mitt Romney warned us repeatedly of the threat from the Russians and Putin, did he not? What does that tell you? The smartest thing Obama could do now is to call Mitt and ask him what he (Obama) should do, then do it! Romney will know exactly the right way to handle this!

  • pragmatistferlife salt lake city, utah
    March 4, 2014 7:35 a.m.

    "North Korea may shoot missiles into the sea, but it is run by a fanatic who has few allies willing to follow him out of the loony bin. Iran poses a regional threat but lately has been willing to negotiate. Al-Qaida remains unpredictable and dangerous, but essentially is a loose confederation of outlaws. "

    So up to now Jay, Obama hasn't done too bad a job? North Korea never was much, he has Iran negotiating, and he did in fact reduce Al-Quida to a loose confederation.

    With those successes just what makes you think he won't do ok here, or is this just another political opportunity?

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 4, 2014 7:33 a.m.

    @Thid Barker

    So Mr. Romney has years and years of foreign policy experience?

  • Thid Barker Victor, ID
    March 4, 2014 7:09 a.m.

    I find myself feeling sorry for Obama. He is so far in over his head with zero experience and with his left wing ideology, he doesn't even recognize who our enemies are! I saw that glaring weakness in him when right after his election he went on his infamous apology tour! He doesn't know what he is doing, period! Putin is playing chess and Obama is playing marbles.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    March 4, 2014 6:03 a.m.

    The war hawks are alive and well.

    How about this. If we decide to go to another war, tell the American people why, and what it will cost. And pay for it today.

    Cut spending elsewhere, or raise taxes.

    Americans would be far less likely to get involved in another war if they had to participate by serving or paying for it. Even those on the right.

  • marxist Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    We're told that Russian troops are moving into Ukraine; in reality they are moving into Crimea – not the same thing. While Crimea is officially an autonomous region formally within Ukraine, it has its own Parliament and, up until 1995, its own President. The majority of Crimeans are Russian-speakers, and they have voted repeatedly for close relations with Russia. I don't think Crimea is worth going to war over.

  • Strider303 Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2014 10:14 p.m.

    Let's admit it, we have elected presidents who are weak and inept at foreign policy.

    The chief executive and Secretary of State are out maneuvered and out classed by a well organized, well conceived leader who has a plan, momentum, will, strategic "high ground" and is willing to call our bluff.

    We have no meaningful cards to play other than roll over and verbally chastise the Russian leader. A rambling speech, empty threats and even speaking in French are not going to mitigate this situation.

    Elections matter, competence matters and we are suffering from a string of marginally competent leaders from both parties.

    IMO this administration has neither the will, means nor ability to project sufficient force to deter Russia from doing what it wants to do in its back yard. Our allies in Europe risk being cut off from Russian natural gas and oil supplies, and their supply lines are easily interdicted should NATO try to do much more that gripe and moan.

    Slice it, dice it and put it into the oven, this event is over and done.

    The last thing the Russians are concerned with is a phone call from the west chastising them.

  • Mainly Me Werribee, 00
    March 3, 2014 9:47 p.m.

    Obama could use a massive dose of reality about now.

  • Mountain Man1 Salt Lake , UT
    March 3, 2014 9:07 p.m.

    Mr. Obama needs to take president lessons from Romney.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    March 3, 2014 9:04 p.m.

    We could all use a little '80's foreign policy right now. The foreign policy of Poland, whos' people said in one voice Solidarnosc! The foreign policy of the Pope, who secretly conspired to help them. The foreign policy of Hungary, who refused to continue to be East Germany's proxy jailer. And the foreign policy of Mikhail Gorbachev, who gave the former East German chancellor the kiss of death and booked it out of Berlin, condemning the regime to the scrap heap and then going on to ease Russia back from the brink with dignity. Thoughtful, committed people found our way out of the cold war in the '80's. Ronnie Ray Gun was left fighting the cold war until it ended without him. If we can avoid conflict in Ukraine it will be by prevalence of cooler heads. Just like in the '80's.

  • Physics27 Cedar City, UT
    March 3, 2014 8:32 p.m.

    That one hurts

  • CHS 85 Sandy, UT
    March 3, 2014 7:31 p.m.

    I think we should immediately send in troops. Of course, only other people's husbands, sons, daughters should go.

  • Danite Salt Lake City, UT
    March 3, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    At this moment in time, I simply pray for Pres Obama and hope that the right choices can be made for the many people that could potentially be effected.

  • Star Bright Salt Lake City, Ut
    March 3, 2014 6:33 p.m.

    And the snarky way he went after Gov Romney - made me sick.
    As if the Gov knew nothing about the world and the community organizer knew it all.

    Now we know.