Count My Vote ballot initiative attacked on two fronts

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  • Halospawn FARMINGTON, UT
    Feb. 25, 2014 1:11 a.m.

    I am a card-carrying, dyed-on-the-wool Republican and I am disgusted by our caucus and convention system. My wife and I moved to Utah to go to graduate school 16 years ago to be closer to a community that shares our beliefs and conservative values. At our first caucus meeting in SLC my wife was told to go home and watch the children while "the brethren" discuss politics. Two years later when we moved to an upper middle class neighborhood in central Davis County, our local caucus leaders again discouraged my wife from attending. I have also watched caucus groupthink at its worst by selecting the most obnoxious extreme delegates on the basis of literally shouting cogent discussion with fearmongering. I have watched women, minorities, and the young deliberately ignored and passed over in our "neighborhood" caucus, and I can't sit idle anymore and let this farce continue.

  • i am hank Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 24, 2014 6:12 p.m.

    The current system has its advantages -- it does make it easier for people to run for office. But it does so by limiting the number of people who have a say in the decision. All a candidate has to do be nominated is to convince a few thousand people to vote for him/her. The candidate doesn't have to appeal to the masses at all until the general election, when, in most Utah elections, the result is a foregone conclusion and the races aren't competitive. CMV gives more people influence in the nominating process -- why is that a bad thing? If you're not a delegate, you have ZERO influence or say in the nominating process, even if you attend the mass meetings. I'm a delegate, and I can vote anyway I please, regardless of what my neighbors want. My neighbors can talk to me, but that's the only influence they have on the process. They have no say. That is not fair, and the system excludes everyone who is not a delegate. What a joke!

  • sherlock holmes Eastern, UT
    Feb. 24, 2014 1:36 p.m.

    It is time to have elections for candidates, and not delegates. It is really a pretty simple decision.

    The tweaking can come with experience.

  • Tumbleweed Centerville, UT
    Feb. 23, 2014 11:48 p.m.

    The Media loves to bash the caucus system. They can use their influence to cleverly convince under informed voters to vote for causes the media wants (usually liberal - especially the Trib) that do not line up with traditional Utah family values. Don't fall for it. If you want to have a say in Utah politics attend the caucuses, get elected delegates, attend the conventions etc. By then you will have become a fully informed voter instead of an under-informed one, like the ones who voted in Obama. Utah is consistently voted one of the best states to live in. It's because of our informed voters, delegates and Legislators. Don't try to fix what isn't broken.

  • technos Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 2:28 p.m.

    I think all this does is to prove that the Teaparty is going to do anything to keep their fanatics in business.

  • caf Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 1:48 p.m.

    I have heard from both camps. The Republicans of Utah have a right to choose whether or not to pass 'Count My Vote'. It is appalling that the party leaders are so against having that option on the ballot. The signatures only allow the option to be on the next ballot. Many people in healthcare, or who work jobs in which they have no option to 'get off' for the evening, are denied the chance to participate in the Caucus system. I find the solution being offered by the party leaders to be dubious. Unfortunately, one of the most frustrating aspects of the Caucus System will not be addressed: Delegates (who vote for us) will continue to have private ballots when they vote at the conventions. It has been said by party leaders that the delegates often know best what the general public doesn't know about the bills/candidates and so they may not vote with the majority of those they represent. Sometimes I have agreed with the results and sometimes I have been shocked by the results. I believe that we deserve to have the opportunity to decide for ourselves regarding CMV.

  • JenicaJessen Riverton, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    Flashback: Yeah, those stupid lazy soldiers, missionaries, stay-at home mothers, night shift workers, and emergency personnel... How dare they try to get a voice in our system!

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 11:02 a.m.

    Count my vote opens up the system and makes the process easier for all to particapate. That scares it's critics who want to hold on to power and dictate the rules of how the game is played.

  • stuff Provo, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 10:39 a.m.

    To McKeown and Count My Vote sponsors and supporters: My vote and influence are already felt today and always have been under the caucus system. You are not promising me anything I don't already have.

    In fact, your proposal would limit my influence and voice to punching a hole in a card at a poll.

    I'd rather meet my potential elected representatives in person and have an influence on who becomes a candidate than simply vote once or twice in an election year.

    You're proposal reduces my voice and influence. No thank you!

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 8:44 a.m.

    If people are too darn lazy to go to the caucus/Mass Meeting, then that is their tough luck. I have exactly no sympathy for them.

  • Chuck E. Racer Lehi, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 8:07 a.m.

    The media would LOVE to move to an open primary and have a vested interest that prevents them from opposing it. Why? First they would make lots more money in advertisements during the campaigns. Second they would be able to control every election, because everything would be run through the media, just like the past Presidential election! CMV does NOT count everyone's vote, but they are trying to BUY everyone's signature. Don't sign it!

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 3:30 a.m.

    SB54 is no change to the system at all, anyone who wants to challenge the party political machine must get the party's permission which means nothing will change.

    The intent of the count my vote is a peoples choice and there is no illegal way to collect signatures of registered voters, those in power are the wealthy of Utah and serve only the wealthy in Utah and this is what the people and voters of Utah want to eliminate. A government of the rich by the rich and for the rich will no longer be tolerated. The republicans are a do nothing self serving selfish organization refuse to represent the citizen subjects.

    This initiative is to restore constitutional government and representation of the people as it is supposed to be. It is the right of the people to challenge selfish political powers and political parties have no authority to grant themselves immunity to constitutional rights of citizens. They cannot shield themselves from accountability and establish a political party as our form of govnermnt, its unconstitutional.

    This count my vote must be a real threat to those in power, so it must be a good American cause.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 3:25 a.m.

    When you hear of a complaint at the equality protests, and the clean air protests and finally this, what do you do but let people know? It is clear there are wonderful people on both sides of this issue. What I don't know is who decided to hire this group. They are being paid per signature and have real packets. We have had multiple people in multiple counties complain to us about out of state signature gatherers that either had no clue about the petition they were getting signatures or worse, would tell people it was something else.

    Even the signature gatherers at many of the events don't know that Count My Vote has no effect on voting who would vote in a GOP Primary.

  • Utah_1 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 22, 2014 3:22 a.m.

    2014 SB 54 Elections Amendments, A proposal for the Utah Legislature to adopt Count My Vote, prior to knowing if they get enough signatures, and prior to a vote in November if they do. It provides exceptions, one of which would ruin the Same Day Ballot that the GOP is adding to increase participation for Neighborhood Caucus Election night.

    Many citizens who attend their neighborhood elections and caucus meeting become interested in politics and get involved in their communities, the state and the nation. They meet and help candidates become elected. Some then later become candidates. This should be encouraged through education. SB 54, lines 796 to 800 ruins that and should be amended.

    Again, we need to amend it to allow greater participation by those that are new to the process. Delete lines 796 to 800. This will allow someone new to run the night of the meeting. We have and should have incentives to file and run for delegate or precinct chair prior to the meeting, but as drafted, the bill reduces participation.

  • Gandalf Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    I soured on Count My Vote when they initially claimed they were going to improve the caucus system and then ended up dumping it altogether in favor of a primary only approach. Bramble's bill decreases the power of the delegates, increases the likelihood of a primary and opens up all primaries to unaffiliated as well as party voters. It combines the best of both the caucuses and the primary system. I support SB 54.