Kathleen Parker: Spell of pettifoggery miraculously lifted from GOP

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  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 21, 2014 6:39 a.m.

    Far East USA, SC


    The problem in Utah, is the All-or-Nothing, Black & White mindset.

    I was also a Republican for many years.
    But then realized they were just as bad as the Democrats, just different "vices" as you said.

    And since I am not a "R", Utah people automatically make that into a "D",
    I am offically "Unaffiliated", says so rihjt on my voter registration card.

    And since I am Philosophically, Liberal -- I tend to lean Democrat,
    but quite honestly, it is more Anti-Republican than anything else.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 20, 2014 3:25 p.m.


    I see problems with both the Dems and the GOP. In fact, if you look at any of my posts, you let me know if I defend the dems.

    Hows this. The Dems are Running this country into the ground.

    But, Let me add this.

    The Republicans are running this country into the ground also.

    I used to always vote Republican.

    But, then I realized that historically, they are no more fiscally conservative than the democrats.

    Both parties are spending us into oblivion. You would be hard pressed to convince me that the GOP is fiscally conservative, unless they are not in power. When in power, historically, they spend as much as the dems but on different vices.

    And, I would rather see the ship go down spending domestically than spend our money recklessly on wars of choice.

    Tell you what. You get all the corporate, union and lobby money out of politics and I will vote for whoever you want.

    They are ALL (r and d) bought and paid for.

    I think both parties are irresponsible and ruining this country.

    And that seems to make me a liberal.

    last post

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 3:02 p.m.

    JoeBlow: "I think you would have to work hard to get to crazytown (with DEMS). With the GOP, they're everywhere."

    This is where you and I will always disagree. I see "crazytown" everyday with not only the rank and file of the Democratic party but with their leadership. Some of the most blatant stuff comes from Obama himself, Harry Reid, and Nancy Pelosi.

    I guess like rabid sports fans, partisans will always see flagrant fouls on the opposing team and almost no faults with their own team.

    My main issue with your comments above (and with several other liberal posters) is the blanket assertion that all conservatives are irresponsible, immature, and uneducated while liberals are vastly superior in every way. Defend and promote liberal ideas based on their merits (as you see them) instead of just saying "we must be right because GOP politicans said or did X".

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 20, 2014 2:00 p.m.

    "As for me, I would put up the leadership qualities any GOP member against the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden any day."

    This is what I was responding to.

    Yes, there are stupid things said by Dems. Which I admitted in my post.

    There are a lot of Republicans that I like and would vote for (and have).

    Joe Biden or Louie Gomhert? Biden every time.

    now, you may have a point with Pelosi. :)

    You can certainly find ignorant Dem Quotes. Heck I could make a list. But I think you would have to work hard to get to crazytown. With the GOP, they're everywhere.

  • U-tar Woodland Hills, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 12:49 p.m.

    Don't let this story fool you, both sides are still big spending and tax wasting fools.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 11:47 a.m.

    JoeBlow and Blue:

    Yes there have been a bunch of awful things said by Republicans. But if I had the time, I too could look up dozens of idiotic quotes from Biden, Pelosi, Reid, Frankin, Schumer, and a whole host of other minor Democrats that no one knows as well.

    Would that prove that everything Republicans do is brilliant and everything Democrats do is terrible? No, it would not. Same goes for your arguments.

    I'm just saying that I know my side is often wrong and does stupid things. Something liberals seem unable to do.

  • FT salt lake city, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:49 a.m.

    I must be a blue collar Democrat because she lost me at Pettifoggery.

  • Kent C. DeForrest Provo, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:21 a.m.

    The word Ms. Parker was looking for in her first paragraph was "exulted."

    With that out of the way, let me point out that Ms. Parker must have missed the Ted Cruz show during the recent debt ceiling vote. The only thing that has changed is the there are fewer Republicans willing to be blamed for pushing the economy off the cliff. They are still willing to push it off the cliff, mind you; they are just not willing to be blamed for it.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:16 a.m.

    JoeC: "Blue: You cite Mike Lee and Ted Cruze (sic) as examples that the GOP is lead by immature, irrational, and uninformed politicians."

    Yep - I say that because it's demonstrably, objectively true. Shutting down the government is absolutely an act of immaturity. Anti-science positions is an act of irrationality. Surveys of FOX news followers show they are the _least_ informed segment of the population when asked to complete surveys of current events.

    "As for me, I would put up the leadership qualities any GOP member against the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden any day."

    Awesome! Bring it. (Remember the Biden-Ryan debate?)

    Who would you offer as an exemplary GOP leader, what are their qualifications and positions, and what's their track record as a leader?

    The best possible thing we could do for our political process is to start paying close attention to what people in publicly elected leadership are actually saying about policies and what they're doing to achieve their policy goals.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 20, 2014 10:06 a.m.

    "As for me, I would put up the leadership qualities any GOP member against the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden any day."

    Louie Gohmert - Warned that Jihadists are sending pregnant women to the US to have "Terror Babies" who will grow up American citizens.

    Steve Stockman - "the best thing about the earth is that if you poke holes in it, oil and gas come out."

    Paul Broun - insists that the earth is 9000 years old and "all that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, Big Bang theory ....is lies straight from the pit of hell"

    Kerry Bentivolio - wants to investigate "chemtrail" conspiracy theory that aircraft are seeding the skies with government mind-controlling chemicals.

    Steve King - "For every one who's a valedictorian, there is another 100 out there who weigh 130 pounds, and they've got calves the size of cantaloupes because they are hauling 75 pounds of marijuana across the desert"

    Yes, the dems have some doozies, but lately, the GOP is in a class by themselves.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:40 a.m.


    You cite Mike Lee and Ted Cruze as examples that the GOP is lead by immature, irrational, and uninformed politicians. I will assume that you think the DEMS are lead by a bunch of absolutely brilliant people.

    As for me, I would put up the leadership qualities any GOP member against the likes of Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden any day.

    The GOP definitely has some problems, but to suggest that the Democratic party is any better is pure partisan politics. The GOP house has not said NO any more than the Democratic Senate or President Obama who flat out refuses to negotiate with any ideas from the other side of the aisle, but thanks to the liberal press, the label has stuck anyway.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 9:30 a.m.


  • Open Minded Mormon Everett, 00
    Feb. 20, 2014 8:01 a.m.

    The GOP and their "lower taxes" and "less regulation" nearly dextroyed America during the Bush years.

    No Thanks,
    let them continue their circular firing squad,
    Salem Witch trials,
    political purity Litmus Testing.

    Rush Limbaugh is their voice,
    and most of America ignores him.

  • JoeBlow Far East USA, SC
    Feb. 20, 2014 7:21 a.m.

    "Meanwhile, Democrats successfully labeled the GOP as the "party of no," assisted by Republicans' consistent opposition to everything"

    So, what you are saying is that the Dems called them what they were.

    "No more the party of no, the GOP suddenly is the party of "Yes we can!""

    Just saying something does not make it so. To become the "YES" party, they will need to put forth some ideas. Ideas that can be passed by the GOP house.

    Yes, they finally put forth a health care alternative, but it cant pass the house. So, still a NO
    Immigration Reform? No ideas that the party can agree on.

    What else? What has the GOP offered other than NO.

    The GOP playbook is, as always, lower taxes and less regulation, as if that would solve our deficit problem. Or our healthcare problem. Or our immigration problem.

    Granted, it is hard to propose legislation. It puts a target for the other side to shoot at.

    Maybe they are moving from the party of NO to the party of NO viable proposals, but that still equates to NO.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 20, 2014 6:40 a.m.

    Ms. Parker is fantasizing. All one needs to do to see just how sorry is that state of today's GOP is to consider:

    1) Who speaks for the GOP these days? If the loudest voices from the right are Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and far-right AM radio/FOX blowhards, then how on earth does that send a signal to the country that mature, intelligent and rational statesmen are in charge of the party?

    2) Who's funding the GOP these days? Thanks to Citizens United, conservative politics is now dominated by money from corporations and a handful of doctrinaire billionaires. Sure, Democrats solicit funds from corporations and billionaires, too, but the plain fact is that while $100 contributions from ordinary citizens are the backbone of Democratic fundraising, the GOP now relies almost entirely on intentionally opaque SuperPACs.

    3) Where is the GOP's coherent, fact-based vision for our nation? Parker can claim otherwise, but "No!" is still the only tool in the GOP's toolbox.

    4) What's the GOP's demographic future? A quick look at American population trends makes it clear that today's version of the GOP does not have a bright future.