Woods Cross residents tired of hearing overnight train horns

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  • dan76 san antonio, TX
    Feb. 21, 2014 12:47 p.m.

    To: fg3wife


    One of my high school buddies became a train engineer. He suffers from nightmares and sleep disturbances after striking cars and trucks resulting in six fatalities and numerous injured folks including infants. In each case he was cleared (by the in-cab video) as the vehicles were driven around the crossing arms.

    Frankly I don't understand why these folks would prefer silence over a potential injury/fatality due to the lack of an aural warning.

  • UC Baller Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 21, 2014 8:28 a.m.

    Re clarissa

    Quoting a movie? You might want to Watch that movie again...you got it wrong...oops

  • Miss Piggie Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 19, 2014 7:39 p.m.

    Just get some ear plugs for all members of the family. I use them so I don't hear my spouse's snoring.

    Of course, you may miss the alarm in the morning.

  • Clarissa Layton, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:56 p.m.

    I live near Hill AFB. I am used to the jets. If I'm outside, they can be really noisy, but I knew this would be a problem when I built my house. On the other hand, I would never have bought or built my house near train tracks. They are really noisy. You could always do what my husband and I did. We needed to replace our windows, we put in really good windows that have helped with outside sound. I feel badly these families are having sound issues, but they to quote from an Indiana Jones movie, "They Chose Badly."

  • crmeatball South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:21 p.m.

    dcnm - The use of horns at a grade crossing is not something simply decided by the railroad. It is governed by federal law regarding the pattern and how long the horn is applied, per 49 CFR Part 222. This states they must apply the horn for at least 15 seconds, if moving less than 60 mph and for 1/4 mile, if moving faster than 60 mph. In a quietzone, where these rules are suspended, if there is a malfunction, the railroads must move to a safe-condition and sound the horn. On these crossings, there is a white signal directed to the train, signaling the engineer if the crossing is functional. If not, he is required to sound the horn, ensuring safety. Based on the article, it sounds like the sensor is not the primary culprit in this malfunction, but the increased conductivity of the surrounding ground. These sensors work by detecting changes in a signal through the rails, based on known environmental conditions. If the ground has been contaminated, then they will have to replace the surrounding soil. Given the limited resources the railroad would have in performing such a large effort, they would have to schedule such work, leading to a spring-time repair.

  • vinniefeller Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:09 p.m.

    #3, To address the sound issue. I understand that the rule is that the horn needs to be blown as a safety precaution. And that is fine, my issue is this.The regulation is three small horns with a longer one to follow. This crossing is right between two other crossings in close proximity. More often than not, the horn begins to blow at the first crossing and continues on through the third crossing. Not in compliance with the regulation. And obnoxious & loud(which is what I was referring to in my quote). There have been times I've been standing with kids at the crossing and the train approaches and when it sees us, blows that horn so loud kids are covering their ears & screaming it's loud. I feel that as the complaints roll in, the issue gets worse. I'm grateful for regulations meant to keep us safe, but that is being abused. It should be used as a precaution, not a nuisance, which is what it is coming to.

  • vinniefeller Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:06 p.m.

    And now, as I type, I see the arms are stuck down yet again. At 8:39 in the morning. This is a main route for buses and people getting their kids to school. There have been many instances where school kids can not walk to & from school because the arms are stuck. Not ok. Fix the part. They blame it on the salt, but now it is affected with a simple rain storm. We live in Utah, it snows & rains, and we use salt on roads. It just needs to be fixed, plain & simple.

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  • vinniefeller Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:03 p.m.

    #2, my main issue, and this wasn't reported on, even though it's what I said, is that there is a part of the railroad that is broken, and not being fixed. It, in turn, is causing this ordinance to be broken. ALSO, it is a hazard. 1500 South is a main, very busy road. This is the main route in and out of one of the big neighborhoods. Because of this broken part, it is also making the crossing arms stay stuck down at random times, backing up traffic for sometimes hours. Think of the emergency responders that use this route. How do they know that they can rely on this road, when those arms get stuck down? Imagine someone having a medical emergency & Heaven forbid, dying, because the emergency responders can't get there? Think of the legal implications then, with UP knowing the part is broken and not fixing it in a timely matter.

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  • vinniefeller Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:02 p.m.

    I am quoted in this article, and before you all jump down my throat about how I should have known that I was moving by a railroad, let me explain. My opinion, I feel, was misrepresented in this story.

    #1, some of you are assuming that we just moved here and should have known better. Most of us have lived here for over 7 years. Some for over 30. This is not a new neighborhood. There has been a sound ordinance in affect for at least 5 years, when the Front Runner was put in. We are use to the train horn blowing, the train is a way of life around here. Yes, there are some people that are new to the neighborhood, but they also moved in knowing there was a sound ordinance, a promise that is not being kept. It was not that they didn't "look around" when buying, a railroad is hard to miss.

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  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:57 a.m.

    To "dcnm" did you not notice the train tracks in the area before you purchased your house?

    I lived in the flight path for Hill. I knew it was there, and I accepted the possibility that at certain times of the year I would have a lot of air traffic going overhead.

    You moved near the train tracks, why can't you accept the risks that came with living near the tracks?

  • dcnm Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 11:30 a.m.

    Here is the information that Mike Anderson FAILED to include in his report:
    He made it sound like we were just complaining about a simple short horn. He also failed to mention that we all knew we were living by the tracks and that we are upset about how long and loud the horns have been. They have continued blaring up to a half mile long. And that we live in a quiet zone.
    Also we aren't ok waiting until summer for them to fix it because we don't want to have to deal with this every time it rains or snows. Every time there is a storm the arms malfunction. He didn't address any of the safety issues we have due to the malfunction.
    Now the public's view is we are a bunch of whining house wives.
    He should do a clarification for us.

  • Flashback Kearns, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 10:01 a.m.

    My heart doesn't bleed for these people. They are complaining about noise that happens intermittently. I live in Kearns. Airport # 2 is three blocks away, and I'm right under the primary approach for the west runway at the big airport. I hear airplanes, helocopters, small planes 24/7. I've learned to live with it.

  • jpjazz Sandy, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:30 a.m.

    I can't fault the residients, they are not complaining about the train, just the constant horn blowing since Dec 19th. Why will it take until late spring to early summer to repair the gates, 6 months?

    The mediation efforts of horn blowing and now slow moving trains presents increased hazards and backed up auto traffic over that of the failed gates. Let's hope Union Pacific can find a better solution.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 8:54 a.m.

    Yes let's force the trains to turn off their horns ......until a family of six from WX is wiped out by a speeding train that couldn't use his horn!

    Are people,really that stupid?

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 7:32 a.m.

    Much like around Hill AFB. People build and buy homes in the flight path and then complain about the noise the planes make. Boo Hoo.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 3:01 a.m.

    Horns are a safety device and any law that violates safety is an illegal law, therefore these so called quiet zones are an infringement and violation of the OSHA safety standards act. Its like sending fire fighters into building with street clothes to fights a fire with a garden hose. They were wrong to let these homes be built and makes them liable.

    Violating safety standards and indiviuals rights to noise free and safe environment by allowing developers to build homes so close to rail roads and other hazards. I'm sure it must be a nightmare fear for parents that their children might get on these tracks and get killed. Utah doesn't care about safety and its time they be taken to court and sued for the gross violation of safety standards and laws endangering the lives of citizens.

    Since the cities have violated every safety standard in OSHA they are liable for all damages and hearing loss and debilitating torture noise they should buy all the homes and tear them down and maintain a buffer zone between hazardous industrial noises and make it illegal to put residential homes within 250 feet of industrial complexes and existing hazards.

  • fg3wife Woods Cross, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 12:20 a.m.

    My husband works as an engineer for U.P. We live next to the same tracks as these families. No set of tracks can be completely silent without horns being blown. It's their way of making sure anyone next to the tracks know that they are coming. I would rather they go without sleep than for my husband to end up with nightmares because he runs someone over who decided to be on the tracks, tried to go around the crossing arms because they don't want to wait or some other stupid reason that we don't understand. My husband has watched a family on bikes cross over tracks with flashing lights going and the father coaxing his little boy to hurry and get over the tracks. He was barely missed before the train went by. It takes the train up to a mile to stop depending on its speed. Sleep or death? This might seem like an over reaction to some, but this is how I look at it. I would rather you be without sleep than my husband replaying the image of killing someone who was on the tracks. Operation Lifesaver. Look it up.

  • sayswho Hurricane, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:51 p.m.

    The trains were there first. That's why the residents in the area paid the cheap cheap prices for their homes. I lived in a trailor park in Springville. Every train blew its horn at the beginning of the park and again at the end of the park. I got used to it. Better to have some annoyed neighbors next to the tracks than to have a dead parent, child or friend because he failed to look before he tresspassed on train company property (the railroad crossing) and was killed. Look nearly day when people fail to look and get hit by Frontrunner, Trax, and regular rail traffic and get badly hurt or killed. People just don't look unless a horn is sounded and even then many will ignore it, but at least they have been warned. Keep the warnings coming, and maybe we can save this lady's family member from death or injury.

  • klprice Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:02 p.m.

    The Woods Cross residents have forgotten that their town name comes from Daniel Wood and his train Crossing, originally Woods Crossing. The tracks were there long before any of the homes were built, and it am sure when they built/purchased those homes they knew there were tracks in the vicinity, and the horns could be a possibility. Would these same residents be complaining if WX City stopped plowing streets as to prevent salt from damaging the track censors? Why do we have sympathy for those whose environments aren't just perfect i.e. The house built on the beach that floods, or the the cars that can't get to homes on the hills when it snows. Part of living in a society is understanding that not every matter needs to be complained about no how much you might be inconvenienced.