Fund growth in higher education

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  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 9:18 a.m.

    The University of Utah usually goes to the public (rich donors) when they need to build a new building or make some major improvement on campus. And the donors fund it.

    What would the increased funding from the government be used for? Higher salaries?

    Like somebody pointed out, we need to see a list of priorities and have some accountability that they money would go towards those priorities, and not just slip between the cracks, resulting in the same people coming before the legislature again next year (and every year) looking for more money and more money (but it never gets applied to the top priorities).

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 7:20 p.m.

    Providing more funding should also be accompanied by a specific list of objectives, so that the money is not spent on golf courses and such, and also be monitored to document that the goals have been achieved. Universities often receive a pass on accountability.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 12:46 p.m.

    the old switcharoo,
    There is a lag time to adjust, but it's not a chicken-egg situation. It's just how growth works. It's how any business expands.

    When demand increases... they use the funds from that increased demand to grow. Or better yet... they project increased demand and borrow to increase capacity proactively to be positioned to satisfy increased demand (and paying back the expansion from increased income).

    Apple is a good example... they forecast increased demand for their product, so they build new facilities to handle the increased demand. If they don't forecast correctly... there is a temporary shortage while they build and staff new facilities to keep up with demand. They don't tell the government to send them more funding. They expect customers to fund the expansion. They either gamble that more customers are coming and expand (and payback), or they wait until the new demand exists and use those funds to expand.

    It's not like you can't accept more students while you adjust. Higher ed isn't that finite.

    No problem if we send more funding. But increased tuition (more people paying tuition) should help.

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    Feb. 18, 2014 12:07 p.m.

    Quote"Shouldn't the growth in student population fund the growth?"

    There has to be room for the new students so they can fund themselves. Chicken and egg.

  • liberty or ...? Ogden, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 11:48 a.m.

    @ Baron Scarpia. Take it from someone who just went through the Higher education system at the U. Everyone of the accusations is literaly true. I was a business major and never in all my education graduate or undergraduate education had I to listen to so much material laced with green energy advocates,government programs, manipulation of regulation and law to push corporate cronyism, Pro gay advocasy etc. granted they weren't as open about it as they were at Cornell, Harvard etc. but they snuck it in wherever they could. Half my professors taugh at most 1-2 courses and the rest was tenure and research. I don't mind if universities do that but tax payers shouldn't have to foot the bill for it.The greatest hypocrisy was having Jesse Jackson come speak on MLK day about tolerance and openess having read his material and others from dominant black communities I'd like them to compare the mesages and see if there is a difference. I call for reformation in academia the material is resembling to much the old pontiff decrees of the dark ages.

  • Gildas LOGAN, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 10:17 a.m.

    Universities should be funded by the students. Prices will fall as those high prices drive new students away. Why are universities doing things the same old way in the computer age anyhow? A few students need the personal treatment, but most, or much, of this could be done remotely nowadays. If you want the traditional "university experience" you could pay for it still at the going market rate. Personally I found tutorials helpful but found lectures a waste of time; lectures could have been put on tape and there was only time for a couple of questions at the end of the lecture. I did well in higher education but there was so much apparent waste.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 18, 2014 8:49 a.m.

    So the DNews says fund higher ed but money is not the answer to k-12? Shouldn't higher ed be able to do more with less as well?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 8:42 a.m.

    Shouldn't the growth in student population fund the growth?

    I mean if more students go to your University... you get more tuition, and more money to fund growth.

    There are many private Universities opening and growing in SLC. If they can do it on tuition alone (without $69 million in government subsidies)... why can't UVU and others?


    If taxes have to go up to fund higher education... tuition should go up as well. If every person has to pay more... the student should pay a little more too. That's how you fund growth in any other business I know of (sell more, or charge more for your product or service).

    Expecting the public to fund higher education is well and good. But you better be pretty darned efficient with those dollars before you demand more.

    And you should be able to charge what your product/service is worth to the consumer (AKA student).

    The consumer/student is the one who benefits most from attending the University. They should be expected to pay for what they get. But they do contribute to the collective after graduation... so I don't mind the government paying part of it.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 6:20 a.m.

    Higher ed has taken a beating by the legislature in years past -- accusations that the universities are providing "degrees to no where" or have "liberal" professors teaching our children liberal ideas (e.g. climate change; evolution; the moon landing; women's studies, etc.) that are contrary to Utah values. There have even been legislative attempts to abolish tenure for faculty. It isn't easy to hire the best and brightest faculty with overt attacks such as these making national headlines and circulating in the academic community.

    Sadly, higher ed is getting short shrift across the country with legislatures cutting funding because universities can charge higher tuition to make up the shortfall. The outcome, however, is that more and more native student cannot then afford to go to school, or get further delays.

    There are even more attempts to recruit out-of-state and foreign students who pay more for tuition and then can make up funding deficits. While it is good for diversity, it also means that for every out-of-state student, there's one less spot for a native student whose family has been paying taxes to support the schools for years prior to their children entering college.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 6:12 a.m.

    Fund higher education?


    We have to give that new NSA building free utilities! And we have a $1 billion dollar prison relocation handout to Niederhouser, Ivory, and Herbert. Why else would Niedhouser so recently have bought land so near the prison? We gotta reward our senators with taxpayer money, right? We can't fund education for the benefit of millions of students and relocate the prison for the benefit of a few in our legislature! Money don't grow on trees!