Approaching March Maddness!When was the last time two ranked teams
lost games in Utah in one weekend?
@UteologyYou are spot on; as ususal.MomentalOne loss by Weber State in the conference tournament and they are toast. Utah
and BYU can get away with one or maybe two loses from here on out; Weber
BYU and Utes fighting for the tournament invitation while the Wildcats sitting
and eating cafe rio stake salad in a chair watching BYU Utes and asking
themselves who really get invitation...
@But seriously folks!Spokane,U will not make it to the NIT but
maybe the CIT or the WCI due to their stellar preseason schedule. Yes people
reward a tough schedule.--------------You sure Utah
won't make the NIT?NIT Bracketology: Feb. 17, 20141. Oregon (Pac-12)8. UNLV (Mountain West)4. Boise State (Mountain
West)5. Saint Mary’s (West Coast)3. Marquette (Big East)6. Texas Tech (Big 12)2. BYU (West Coast)7. Utah (Pac-12)So if BYU's bubble pops then look for a possible Utah vs BYU rematch at
the Marriott Center.
I am just wondering why the Utes are even mentioned in this article? Their
whole season is irrelevant. At least BYU has a chance to be an at-large
selection with a victory against Gonzaga and a good showing in the WCC Tourney.
Utah has no chance to make the NCAA Tourney unless they win the PAC 12 Tourney.
Chances of that??...Well, I'll just leave it there.
@Who Am I Sir: Like Tators says, the Aggies are used to being snubbed by the
Deseret News, not a big deal. Good luck to both the Cougs and the Utes in their
upcoming games. My personal perspective is that none of the teams in the state
have a great chance of being in the NCAA tourney. It would be nice to get one in
to root for, but unlikely. I hope the Ags play their best game of the year at
San Diego State. It will take that for them to win.
This is the second time within the past week or so I found fault in the heading
of an article. (The last time I had a few responses critical of my comments yet
the Deseret News changed the wording of the title.) This time there have been a
couple of comments critical of my posting. If the article was about teams
HOSTING a ranked opponent then I stand corrected. If not, then in my opinion
USU should have been included in the title and the body of the article. Just
one man's opinion.
@ Spokane Ute:Forgive a few of my fellow BYU fans who misread your
comment. For clarification, you stated that the U had a good chance of getting
into the NIT, not the NCAA tournament. And I agree. Considering they have beaten
a ranked team, have a winning record and could finish in the middle of the
PAC12, there is every indication they should merit an invite to the NIT this
season.@ Who am I sir:You are getting your feelings hurt
and taking offense way too easily. First of all, USU is not hosting
a ranked team this week like BYU and Utah are doing. Thus, they don't fit
that parameter of this article. Secondly, (and though I love my
Aggies) BYU and Utah have a much bigger readership in the DN than USU does.
Consequently, they probably won't get included in as many articles. On the same token, The Cache Valley local paper, The Herald Journal has
many more articles on the Aggies than they do about Utah or BYU and for the same
reason... more of their readers follow them. It's not meant as a slam
against anyone. It's just common sense business.
I don't recall ever stating that Utah is sitting in a better position than
BYU to make the NCAA tournament? I simply stated what they have to do, the BPI
rankings, and that they have a great shot at the NIT. Also, Utah cerainly
doesn't need to win out. With the final 5 games against NCAA tournament
teams; going 4-1, then 1-1 in the PAC 12 tourney would certainly put them in a
good position. They need to get into the top 6 in the conferernce. Finish 22-8
(5-2 or better from here on out), and they are in. Anything less, then it's
NIT time unless the wheels totally come off. As far as BYU goes, I think they
will have to beat Gonzaga, and get to the championship of the WCC tournament.
They can't afford any more bad loses. This week is critical for both
schools and I hope both make the NCAA. If not, an NIT first round matchup would
be entertaining. I think that's a pretty resonable take on both schools.
Blame our AD and coach if the Utes finish strong but don't make the
NCAAs.The Utes have little chance of sweeping their five remaining
games, which is what it would take to get an at-large bid.No,
Utah's only realistic chance of getting into the NCAA tourney is to win the
PAC 12 tourney, which is just about as unlikely.BYU and Boise State
were the only legitimate teams the Utes played in the first two months of the
season. Maybe next season, we could start building our NCAA tourney resume in
November, instead of waiting until January.
The 2014 Bracket Matrix (80 separate brackets including ESPN, CBS, NBC, etc.)BYU is listed IN the tournament in 24 brackets, First Four Out
overallUtah is listed in ZERO of 80 brackets
When it comes to Bracketology#44 RPI BYU > #39 BPI UtahESPN Bracketology:BYU is a bubble team (First Four Out)Utah
isn't even mentionedNBC Bracketology:BYU is in the Last
Five INUtah isn't even mentionedTeamRankings
Bracketology:BYU is listed as the #47th seed overall IN the tournamentUtah is only given a 7% chance of making the tournamentAt this
point in the season, it's clear that BYU has a MUCH better chance of
securing an at-large NCAA bid.
Spokane UteWhen it comes to NCAA Selection Sunday, RPI is much more
important.Bottom line, according to most experts:BYU is
IN the NCAA tourney pictureUtah is on the OUTSIDE looking inAccording to TeamRankings, BYU has a 64% chance of making the tournament; Utah
only has a 7% chance.
@ Truth MachineYou should include BPI ranking when looking at both
schools, the selection comitee certalinly will. Utah's BPI is #39, and
BYU's is #50. No matter what ranking or index you look at, both schools
have a lot of work to do to make the NCAA tournament. The NIT is more likely,
but I'm hopeful both schools will finish strong. It would be nice to see
3-4 Utah schools make the tournament, but's is not likely at this point.
at SeriouslyConsidering Utah currently has a BPI ranking of #39, and
they are tied for 7th in the PAC 12, they would make the NIT. Especially if the
top 6 PAC 12 teams make the NCAA as projected. No way the NIT over looks Utah
and Washington. However, Utah can not lay an egg from here on out. I can see
them going 3-2 to finish conference play and 1-1 in the PAC 12 tournament. No
way does a 21-9 PAC 12 team, with a top 50 BPI get left out of the NIT. The next
3 home games are critical: Arizona, ASU and Colorado
@Who am I sir? If the Aggies were hosting the Aztecs, I'd like to think
they would be included in the article.
whoami#44 BYU(18-10), 6-6 vs RPI Top 100, including a road/neutral
win over #19/#17 Texascan certainly make a lot of noise by winning
their 2nd game against a ranked team and solidifying an NCAA at-large berth#92 Utah(17-8), 4-7 vs RPI Top 100, including a home win over #23/#25
UCLAstill has a long way to go to get into the NCAA tourney picture
even with another home win over a ranked teamso much for
Rico,BYU beat Texas away from home. U beat UCLA at home. Texas is ranked
higher that UCLA.U lost to lowly WSU and didn't even score 45 points,
for the whole game. What's your point?The pac may get get 6
teams if they are lucky and the WCC will get two teams. U will NOT be one of
those 6, Mark it down.Spokane,U will not make it to the NIT
but maybe the CIT or the WCI due to their stellar preseason schedule. Yes
people reward a tough schedule
Mr. Harmon, Utah plays the number 4 (both polls) ranked team, Arizona. Utah
State plays the number 6 (or 7) ranked team, San Diego State. BYU plays the
number 22 (or 25) ranked Gonzaga. Yet only Utah and your BYU have a "big
opportunity to shine this week". Typical.
Good possibility neither team will dance this year but "hope springs
eternal". The fascinating thing is watching the individual progress over a
season by both teams. Changing roles and adjustment to those roles. Austin has
won my fanship as has Carlino and Hollingsworth. Give someone the chance to
build confidence and they ususally don't disappoint. Definitely a week to
look forward to.
Kudos to Uncle Rico for admitting he does what most of us do from time to
time... get carried away. Two tough contests this week, it would be great to
see both teams win.
The Utes are a better team this year. The coaching staff has recruited and led a
very nice come back. I will be cheering for both the Utes and my Cougs!
BYU needs to beat Gonzaga. Utah needs to beat Arizona. On top of that, neither
can afford another bad loss. As much as I would like to see both teams get NCAA
bids: Utah vs. BYU = First Round of NIT
We for sure will win Arizona because they are better than Gonzaga and that makes
us better than byu.Go Utes!
@ Deseret PeteYou bring up a good point, sometimes I just shoot from
@ TomYou are absolutely right. Sometimes I just get carried away.
Uncle Rico : Harmon said the utes have the most difficult task -- Indicating
that Arizona was the better team -- His comparison was they both were leaders in
their conference. Arizona is no. 4 and the Zags are 25 --
The Cougs have to do better blocking out, as well--it's maddening to watch
them give up two and three shots per possession. St. Mary's happened to
miss most of those second and third chances in the second half, but Gonzaga
Uncle Rico - Way too sensitive, dude. Harmon stated a
couple of facts, and you put the failed spin on it. I'll predict a loss on
the hill and a win in Provo.
The difference between shooting 40% and 36% from the 3 point line in a single
game is really insignificant. Suppose each side launches 1 such attempts. Both
are then statistically likely to his 4 each in which case the actually points
scored off 3's will be exactly the same. When BYU hits or exceeds that
average it seems to have a much better opportunity to win. As for
Free Throws, BYU has been just uncharacteristically dismal this year. There
really is no excuse for this. Hitting free throws is a matter of consistent
form,stroke and follow through..a mental game more than anything.How has this
team NOT progressed in this area? It shows an inexcusable lack of concentration
and determination either by the players or the coaching staff. There is simply
no excuse for any player to shoot below 70% from the charity stripe. Only when
player's tell themselves "T can't!" Do that fail to improve in
this area. Shoot >36% from the 3-line and >70% from the FT
line and BYU will win by half a dozen or more at home against any team 99% of
Re: BYU DudeRight from the article:Arizona is 2-2 in its last
four; Gonzaga has lost only twice in its last 11 games — at Portland on
Jan. 9 and at No. 22 Memphis on Feb. 8.BYU dude fails
Would Dave Rose read this, NOT! Why all the talk? Funny D Harmon "where they
generally are better at the free-throw line?" Maybe! Right now forget all
the talk and the playing do the job the rest of the way, Please.
Uncle Rico,Reading Fail.
I didn't really see a comparison of AZ and GU other than that both
currently lead their respective conferences. That's true no matter whom
you cheer for. There was no attempt to say which of the two was the better
team-- probably because everyone would agree it's AZ. These just happen to
be the two conference leaders coming to Utah for games this week. Why must
people try to find a fight no matter what's said?
You can count on Harmon to compare Gonzaga with Arizona. Arizona is
way better. They are projected to be a #1 seed, Gonzaga is predicted to be a #8
seed. Arizona is #4 in the AP poll, Gonzaga is #25. Utah
already beat UCLA who is currently ranked #23 (even after they lost to Utah).Pac-12 will have 6 teams in the big dance. WCC will have 1 team in the
big dance, same number as the Big Sky.