CrowIt's laughable how you disparage the MWC, and by extension,
the WAC, since Utah's entire resume of meaningful accomplishments occurred
before the Utes joined the PAC 12.What you're really saying is
that the only reason the Utes accomplished anything before joining the PAC is
because of the weak competition they faced in the MWC and WAC.Who
cares how many teams the PAC gets into the tournament? If the Utes aren't
one of them, you're just as pathetic as a bottom dweller of any other
Utahs program was a dumpster fire due to Giac and I cant remember the other
coaches name he was that bad. Dave Rose coached in the MWC and wcc not the PAC
big difference in competition. Something byu fans will never understand. Utah
unlike byu is a known entity in basketball even now the Vegas braketologist have
Utah as a 12 seed in the NCAA tourney. Lunardi said that he could see Utah
sqeeking in if they finished strong and had a deep run in the PAC12 tourney like
2013 when they made it to the Semi Finals. Most experts are saying
byu is no longer a bubble team and would have to win their conference tourney to
get in. ESPN is showing that the best team in the wcc Gonzaga is slipping and
were moved from a 7 to an 8 seed. ESPN and many experts are showing the PAC with
6 teams and the wcc 1 team.Again Utah is on the rise byu is on the
decline even in the wcc and their most talented team in decades they will not
make the NCAA tourney.
Crow"Don't worry that [the Utes winning an NCAA tourney
game] is about to change."It's been awhile, so maybe Utah
fans aren't aware of the fact that U actually have to be invited to the Big
Dance in order to win an NCAA tourney game. Just like bowl season, the Utes will
once again be on the outside looking in.
Crow"Don't worry that is about to change. Utah is
recruiting the talent they need to compete in the PAC..."Utah
fans have been saying the same thing since Majerus left.It took Dave
Rose ONE season to turn BYU's program around and get back into the NCAA
tournament.It's been THREE seasons since coach k took over at
Utah with still no NCAA tourney in sight.Most experts are projecting
BYU has a bubble team. For example, chances of making the NCAAs according to
TeamRankings:BYU - 64%Utah - 7%btw, please explain
how a team that made it to the NIT semi-finals last season, and is projected to
be in the NCAA tourney this season is "on the decline"... only in that
crimson bubble on the hill.
@ No playoff for U It's been a decade since the Utes won an NCAA
tourney game.Dont worry that is about to change. Utah is recruiting
the talent they need to compete in the PAC and they have a coach that not only
turned around the program around but in a rebuilding year beat # 25 UCLA and has
kept competative with the teams in the PAC. Utah was picked to finish last in
the PAC and they are in the middle and where they are positioned in the PAC
standings they would not meet UA until the Semi Final Round of the PAC
tourney.Utah is on the rise where as byu is on the decline. After
all they cant compete in the wcc and lose to the bottom feeders of the
The Utes are forced to crow about their conference because the Utes themselves
haven't done anything worth crowing about.It's been a
decade since the Utes won an NCAA tourney game.
UUSmall sample size skewed by the fact that all of Utah's WCC
games have been played at home.When was the last time the Utes beat
a WCC or MWC team on the road?
@old your right a lot of byu fans posting mid major comments trying to make
themselves feel better that they can't compete in the 9th best conference
and have to try to put down a rebuilding Utah team
Pac 12 has 6 teams dancing in latest projectionWcc? 1I
love our Pac 12 membership!Anyone know last time the WCC had half
the conference go dancing?LOL - NEVER!
@fonefishin Utah played several quality teams after all they play in the PAC.
Utah beat #25 UCLA and only lost to UA by 9 points at there house. The
difference between Utah and byu is Utah plays defense and hits their free
throws. They would not get blown out. Only byu gets blown out by their
@gonefishin just think one of those 9 so called high school wins was over the #2
team from the 9th best conference. You byu fans can't have it both ways.
The RPI has the PAC as the 3rd best conference so it must be true. The only
conference that is overrated is the wcc how does the #2 team lose to the bottom
feeders of the conference and by double digits.
Gone fishinFirst of all, I said SOME of the best teams in the
nation, and who said I was only speaking of basketball. The Pac-12 has some of
the best teams in the nation, in basketball, football, baseball, and a myriad of
other sports, that's why the Pac-12 has more NCAA championships than any
other conference. So again by objectivity, my statement is correct.As for your claim the Pac-12 is over-rated well, considering that most places
have them ranked as the 3rd of 4th best conference in the nation, I'll take
that. Your statement that Utah would be below .500 with their weak
schedule is objectively false. The Utes only one game under .500 in the 3rd-4th
toughest conference in the nation, and nobody in the Pac-12 or any other decent
league for that matter schedules a tougher OOC schedule that in conference.As for Utah not getting 20 wins, let me take you back to your statement
before the Utah-BYU basketball game:"It will be disappointing
for the Utah players to NEVER have beaten BYU during their time on the hill. How
sadSomehow, I just don't put much stock in your predictions.
Pocy,""I love watching Utah compete against some of the best teams
in the nation"Just so you know the best teams in the nation are NOT in
the pac. Check the rankings. Pac 2 - WCC 1. The pac is way over-rated this
year so the few wins u have are not as credible as you might think. Let's not forget that there are still 5 games to go. The utes will not
make it 20 20 mins this year and if you take away the 9 high schools wins they
have then their record would be below .500 for sure.Motor, If the utes
would have the guts to schedule quality teams then we would see some blowout
Look,I'm a PAC-12 fan, but let's not kid ourselves. The
PAC-12 hasn't had any team in the final four since UCLA's 2006-2009
appearances. Before that, it was Arizona in 2001. But the following conferences
have had teams in the final four over that span. Missouri Valley (2013),
Colonial (2011, 2006), Horizon (2011, 2010), Conference USA (2008, 2005, 2003).
Are these conferences better than the PAC? No. Is the WCC better than the PAC?
No, but to say that any team from the PAC (Especially Utah) would go to any of
these conferences (including the WCC) and would dominate is just flat out wrong.
I give props to the WCC, not because BYU is in it, but because Gonzaga and St.
Mary's have been steadily decent over the last decade. More than I can say
for Utah, and more than I can say for BYU, and certainly more than I can say for
ASU. It's time to join together and start showing the respect
that everyone deserves. Utah is not a terrible team, neither is BYU. The PAC,
the WCC, and any other conference are not up and down terrible. Any team can
beat any other team on any given day.
Chris B"Isnt' (sic) it funny that these byu fans come
making comments as if they had something to brag about?"What is
it exactly you do on BYU articles?
Max-was-right"BYU's embossing loss------utah"That's funny, where did you emboss it?
CincyredI don't know your definition of "bottom of the
barrel", but Utah is in 7th place in the Pac-12, that is up 5 spots from
last year, an improvement you recognized, thank you.Every Utah fan I
know wanted to be in the Pac-12. It gives Utah the best opportunity for growth.
Anyone who thought we would step in and dominate is crazy, but Utah has made a
lot of progress already. Any thought that someone wouldn't want their team
to play in the best league/conference is crazy talk. I don't think there
are many baseball players who don't want to make the show, or CFL football
players who don't want the NFL, or world class athletes who don't want
the Olympics. Though most don't go on to star, have a great career, or
they lose in the Olympics, does that mean it wasn't worth it? I love watching Utah compete against some of the best teams in the nation. I
wish they would win more, and I have confidence will. But, watching them
compete and work at is really a lot of fun, and that's what this is about.
My PerspectiveThere is a world of difference between Mount St. Marys and
St. Mary's College (3rd in WCC).Hope you can keep up.CrowBYU may be a mid-major, but most of the Ute fans posting here are
How are Utah fans beating their chests? This year has been your best year in the
last several and you're still bottom of the barrel in the Pac. BYU's
worst year still is as good as Utah's best. By no means am I saying BYU is
great because they are far from it this year. I think it's a little crazy
to say that you would blow away the WCC conference. Utah has made great
improvements but if they had played a semi decent non-conference schedule they
would have quite a few less wins. Let's quit with the Pac 12 card. You
wanted that membership and you got it. Now is the time to stop using that as a
crutch when your team isn't competing. I don't hear Washington State
BYU's embossing loss------utah
To all you ute fans. The mark of a good team is its ability to win on the road.
Anyone can beat anyone at home, however, it takes a good team to win on the
road. Yes, you beat some teams at home. But who have you beat on the road? Oh
yeah, powerhouse USC. One game. Two games in 3 years on the road in the PAC
12. Nuh said.
Man,Crow has been on a roll these last 2 days.
Gone fishin"Please remind us how the utes did against powerhouse
WSU in Pullman!U can't even beat WSU how do you think you would
dominate the WCC? Pure folly!It is interesting how you think
though."Well done, you pointed out the one big fail on
Utah's schedule this year. Utah's worst shooting performance of the
year mind you. Go find any team in the country outside of the top 10 that
doesn't have at least one embarrassing loss... it's not easy. And we
certainly know BYU has more than one of them.It's also
interesting that you failed to note how Utah did in the payback game. You and
your friends are doing a miserable job of trying to paint Utah into a picture
that looks worse than the picture your cougars live in.
Crow,Please remind us how the utes did against powerhouse WSU in
Pullman!U can't even beat WSU how do you think you would dominate the
WCC? Pure folly!It is interesting how you think though.
I really don't understand what byu faithful are yapping about. byu barely
beats Mount St Marys Saturday and suddenly, their blow out loss to Utah never
happened. Seriously?? byu isn't in the Pac-12 and to attempt to draw
conclusions between the wcc and the Pac-12 is sheer folly.Then, worf
the rocket scientist claims "The utes wouldn't be competitive in the
MWC, or WCC, either." Really, worf, based on what? You talk about the wcc
like it's the bread and butter of the NCAA tournament. I refuse to believe
that you people are happy about playing who cares schools in a no name
conference in gymnasiums that local high schools would be embarrassed to have.
To the point of the article, UCLA will go deep in the tournament so
the Utah loss Saturday is no surprise. Focus on the final games and finish
strong going into the Pac-12 tournament. Then, make some more noise. Go Utes!
Isnt' it funny that these byu fans come making comments as if they had
something to brag about? In the height of byu basketball of the
last 30 years, and with player of the year Jimmer, they still managed only a
single sweet 16 trip.LOLYour best player ever perhaps(or
top 3 for sure) had a 3-4 record in the big dance in his career.LOL
@worf and Joe put lipstick on a pig and its still a pig. Place byu in the wcc
and their still in the 9th best conference in the NCAA. Utah is in the PAC where
unlike the wcc it's difficult to win on the road. If Utah was
in the wcc they would dominate after all we destroyed the so called 2nd best
team in the wcc by 17. The game was not even close. Losing to Portland pacific
loyal marmot and Pepperdine really shows what type of team byu really is. Again
you failed against Utah on the field and on the court. Go hang out with the
other midmajors where you belong.
WorfPac12 winning percentage Utah .455Byu .333WCC winning percentageUtah 1.000 Byu .667
The utes wouldn't be competitive in the MWC, or WCC, either.But
there has been marked improvement.
Hey at least we are in the pac12! There is always next year. I hate to see
what AZ does at the Huntsman.