BYU basketball: Cougars rally for key WCC victory at Saint Mary's

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  • Okrahomer Alpine, UT
    Feb. 19, 2014 8:23 a.m.

    @Two For Flinching

    "Utah is averaging 10,000 per game this season..."

    I checked the stats on the U of U athletic site. They show Utah's average at 9,605. BYU is averaging 15,473 accordidng to their athletic site. On the road, Utah is averaging 7,890 to BYU's 6,375. Utah's all-game average is 9,011 while BYU's is 10,599.

  • daver Provo, 00
    Feb. 18, 2014 2:10 p.m.

    Watching BYU get beat up in the first half, I kept thinking, "they're still not playing that bad..." If they could only keep hammering, maybe the Gaels would blink. I never thought it would take soooo long, but St. Mary's finally did blink at the end, and the shackles were off!

    Been nice to see Utah's respectable year. Good luck to both this week! Good luck tonight, Aggies!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 18, 2014 12:29 a.m.

    @ Vegasbob

    Utah is averaging 10,000 per game this season....

    Also, according to the NCAA attendance summary, the PAC-12 is averaging 7,143 people per game. Doing the math, that is quite a bit more than all but one WCC arena can handle....

  • labman Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 17, 2014 1:03 p.m.

    I think the cougs need to guard the ball more closely and live with getting beat off the dribble once in a whiile. Better than giving the opponenent easy assess to its offense.
    the oponement makes too many easy passes to get the BYU zone to finally miss a rotation assignment,which leads to an open 3 pt shot. When I watch Syracuse play zone, they harass the passing lanes out front all day long.
    Secondly, I think we need to figure out how to play the high pick/roll used constantly against us. I think we switch until we get burned by a 3-pt bucket. we used to hedge the hight pic with a big man, but that leads to foul trouble we can't afford. I like it when the cougs play their 1-3-1 trap zone; not a steady diet, but a little more often to keep them guessing.

  • babyR Salt Lake, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 10:41 a.m.

    After watching the whole game before pre-judging the outcome, I've decided that the best way for me to enjoy seeing the Cougars play is to:
    1. Wait until the second half to begin watching the game--or just watch the last ten minutes.
    2. Lower my expectations. They really aren't as good as I think they are---or should be.
    3. Expect the referees to treat Mika and Austin with critical eyes.
    4. Expect the team to be out-coached by opposing teams.
    5. Just relax and enjoy any win--good, bad or just ugly.
    Whew! Now I can have fun watching BYU basketball again!!!!

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 17, 2014 10:05 a.m.

    Funny how Chris b's comments always get posted no matter how off topic and against all the supposed civil dialogue rules it is. but if you try to reply to him/her, it will never get posted

  • PM64 Orem, UT
    Feb. 17, 2014 12:50 a.m.

    Waldow is allowed to batter his way to the basket every time. Opponents can't lay a finger on him or it's a foul. In the NBA, he'd be gone in six possessions. In the WCC he's a "dominating player."

    Enforce the "Charles Barkley" rule the NBA finally passed to end bulky players bashing their way to the hoop for a layup in the WCC and St. Mary's would be a middle of the conference team. BYU would also be able to keep their big men on the court.

    Honestly, people are paying to watch the players play, not the refs call every phantom touch while ignoring Waldow's imitation of a football player smashing into a practice rack over and over again. How about some consistency? How about calling FOULS. St. Mary's was 14-1 at home because they play 8 on 5.

    BYU would have 3 more wins if they could hit free throws - Iowa State, Oregon, and Portland. They'd be 11-4 in the WCC, 21-7 overall with two more wins in the top 100, and solidly in the NCAA tournament. Practice guys!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 16, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    Oooops... Letter "N" is Stanford with 13 games against RPI top 100 and their winning percentage is not 62.5% but rather 38.5%, yet many brackets have them getting an invite.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    Feb. 16, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    When Collinsworth fouled out I told my wife that now the cougars would probably win the game since he is the guy who can't hit free throws at the end of the game. I like the kid and he is gutsy but I don't think he should be in at the end of any close games.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 16, 2014 9:35 p.m.


    My criticism of the refs in the WCC is that they are inconsistent (more so than in most conferences)... And they blow their whistle way too much (I see that in pac12 officiating as well)... They don't always let the players determine the outcome...

    In both the Pacific game and the first half of the St. Mary's game it just seemed like the Refs wanted center stage instead of the players... In Stockton against Pacific there were 50 fouls called in a 40 minute game... Ridiculous... All we did was watch the Refs and the players march from one end of the floor to the other for close to 3 hours.

    I believe the rules allow the Bigs to check their man with a forearm when he is being backed down to the basket... In the first half, that wasn't allowed (at least for BYU it wasn't)... After the game I tuned into SF at Santa Clara and those Refs let the players play... It makes the game much more enjoyable to watch. The Pacific game was both frustrating and boring... Foul shooting should not occupy 60% to 70% of a two+ hour Basketball game at any level.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    Feb. 16, 2014 9:11 p.m.

    My favorite numbers following the weekend games:

    A) 13... (8-5)... 61.5%
    B) 12... (6-6)... 50%
    C) 11... (4-7)... 36%
    D) 8... (5-3)... 62.5%


    M) 16... (11-5)... 68.8%
    N) 13... (5-8)... 62.5%

    And a couple of my favorite equations:

    Y) 4+1 = 5 = 18%
    Z) 7+2 = 9 = 36%

    I like these numbers in connection with a potential invite to the Dance and here's why.

    A) The Total number of games that UCLA (a definite invitee)has played against the top 100 RPI teams and their record and winning percentage.
    B, C, and D.) Same description for BYU,utah and St.Mary's.

    The significance of these numbers is that of the 4 teams were paired against each other this weekend... St. Mary's has the highest winning % and 2 of their 3 top 100RPI losses were to BYU.

    M & N) Again, the same description for Texas and Stanford... BYU has beaten both these teams on the road.

    And Y & Z describe BYU's wins and Utah's wins against teams above RPI 200 plus teams from lower division schools with no RPI. The percentage represents percent of their respective schedules that these games represent.

  • Ed Grady Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 16, 2014 7:54 p.m.

    I wouldn't call this a pretty win, but it was a courageous win. I'm still perplexed by the Pacific game. Who knows what will happen from here.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    Feb. 16, 2014 7:06 p.m.

    Good win.
    Mark it down.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2014 6:17 p.m.

    Why isn't Rose on the hot seat? What a ridiculous question - clearly coming from a Ute. As much as you want him as your coach, it is happening!

  • Vegasbob North Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 16, 2014 1:12 p.m.


    It is true that the gyms on average are smaller than the average PAC 12 gym. But have you noticed that they are full. Bet BYU plays before an average crowd size that equals or exceeds the Utes. 10,000 seat arena at 30% capacity still only means 3000 attendees. Do the math.

  • jarka-rus Layton, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2014 12:58 p.m.

    St. Mary's could compete in the Pac easily. Nice win Cougs. Now my Dukies need to take out the Tarheels

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Feb. 16, 2014 12:44 p.m.

    By reading the comments it's apparent that even when BYU wins they get cheated by the refs.

    It was a good come from behind victory. Love the chock sign at the end of the game by a BYU player, was Crabtree in attendance?

  • RCougsFan Sandy, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 12:39 p.m.

    Nice road win Cougs. Congrats. Note to Eric Mika: Can't wait to get you on a mission. That little stunt you pulled (on national TV) after the final buzzer was cheap and immature. That's not how Cougars act. Grow up son!

  • CougarSunDevil Phoenix, AZ
    Feb. 16, 2014 10:58 a.m.

    People who worry about the size of arena a team plays in must have an inferiority complex. Otherwise, who cares?

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 10:54 a.m.

    with all the talent on this team and the poor and inconsistent play why isn't Rose on the hot seat. This team should be so much better and if we played defense we would be ranked.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 10:31 a.m.

    Tale of the Tape

    #46 BYU(18-10) #26 SOS, currently projected to be a #11 seed facing #7 seed UCLA
    6-6 versus RPI Top 100, including THREE road/neutral wins

    #92 Utah(17-8) #172 SOS, on the outside looking in
    4-7 versus RPI Top 100, including ZERO road/neutral wins

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 16, 2014 9:57 a.m.

    Probably a good thing Collinsworth fouled out. I don't think the Coaches would have had the guts to take him out when the game was on the line. That's right, on the line. Making those free throws at the end sealed this game!

  • esodije ALBUQUERQUE, NM
    Feb. 16, 2014 8:24 a.m.

    BYU won on the road despite bad free-throw shooting, giving up way too many offensive rebounds, and making only one three-pointer in the entire game. I don't know how much one can credit BYU's defense with St. Mary's abysmal shooting in the second half, but it obviously was the difference in the game.

  • LivinLarge Bountiful, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 7:59 a.m.

    A little surprised that BYU is playing against teams with gyms that only seat 3,500...many high school gyms seat more than this.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 1:59 a.m.

    @ Sports Are Great

    I'm not upset at all. I actually had a pretty great night/weekend.

  • Gone fishin Seattle, WA
    Feb. 16, 2014 12:40 a.m.

    I seems that Chris and the utes forgot that there IS a second half of basketball. How funny. The Cougars man up and fight for the win and the utes lay down in the second half. Like Down said, the two teams showed their true color tonight.
    Way to go Cougs.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    Feb. 16, 2014 12:15 a.m.

    Always a fun time to see the naysayers eat crow.

    Way to pull this one out on the road guys. 5 on 8 that first half was a little much! LOL

  • labman Pocatello, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 11:16 p.m.

    I know I'm not supposed to complain about the refs, but what is their problem? If they can't cll the game without bias, then get out of the business. A win is a win, and a road win is even better. this team can't take any games off, I want to see them this tough all through the tourney! go cougs!!!!

  • drivebyposter Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 11:03 p.m.

    Nice win Cougars. But ESPN really disrespected both teams by having their sportscasters flap the breeze with Dellavedova for at least 10 minutes instead of calling the game that just happened to be going on in the background. Way too much of this in sports TV "journalism". Isn't it about the game after all?

  • I Am A Runner South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:49 p.m.

    Chris B.
    Are you just an internet troll on Desnews. It seems like your opinion is always opposite what everyone else says on every article.

  • eagle_322 Northern, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:43 p.m.

    Chris B.

    1.) I don't comment very often, but when will your comments have fullness and not be full of fallacious reasoning. Simply because it is BYU. Your use so much fallacious reasoning in all of your comments voids any credibility that your claims have, not just the articles where you express your love of the Utes and displeasure of BYU.

    2.) have you ever left a positive comment?

    3.) I am all for open dialog and views of others, I appreciate your willingness to express the view from your side but you have to cut out the fallacious reasoning and logic.

    P.S. BYU won the game. and its pacific University

  • Cletus from Coalville Coalville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:42 p.m.

    We would of won saint mary if we played them tonight because we are an awsome road team lol.

    Go Utes

  • International Cougar Fan Tacoma, WA
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:28 p.m.

    Chris B is just the Ute Football and Basketball teams.

    Chris continues to make early and silly comments before a game is over then he fizzle out at the end of the game due to his embarrasment. Utah Football and basketball teams get a win here and there but they continue to fizzle out at the end of their season.

    When your favorite team can't go "BOWLing" or make it to the *Big Dance", then all you have left is your hope that Big Brother down South will also join your team by not being able make it to Bowl/or the Big Dance.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:22 p.m.

    Thanks goodness Chris got on here first. As soon as he predicted a loss, I knew BYU had it in the bag. Thanks again Chris. You are indeed BYU's good luck charm. Good times.

    Go Cougars!

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:07 p.m.

    No question we saw a final four team question...Gooo Cougars

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 10:04 p.m.

    Beating SMC on the road for second place - fantastic.
    Beating SMC on Delavudova Night - priceless.

  • Sports Are Great Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:54 p.m.


    We won. Your team lost. And those make me happy. I am glad you are upset tonight.

  • Scores Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:53 p.m.

    Overall, the WCC plays better defense that the Mtn. West. The game scores are usually fairly low. For the past three years, I've been saying that the Cougars need to learn how to play half court offense or they'll have a hard time surviving in this league. Tonight, the Cougars did play great half court offense and defense in the second half. Free throw shooting percentage still needs a lot of work!

  • IDSpud Eagle, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:48 p.m.

    Sorry Chris, maybe next time. BYU doesn't deserve this win. Mighty lucky, especially with such dismal free-throw shooting. I wonder where this team ranks among Y teams from years past in terms of FT percentage. This was another one where poor FT shooting almost put another L in the loss column. Go Cougs!

  • Ute parents - me Cougar Rathdrum, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:46 p.m.

    What was the choke Mika did all about?

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:44 p.m.

    Way to go Cougs! Thought we were out of this game, but you have to hand it to the boys in blue. Special props to coach Rose for making adjustments, and really pressuring the ball on the end of defensive posessions. He really did well to keep the team together.

    Waldow is a beast, but St. Mary's has slipped this year. Not having the combined D and O of Delly is really taking a toll on their game.

    I don't think this is enough to get us back on the bubble. I think we still have to win the tourney. But, I now think we can do it. The team is playing much tougher than they did against Pacific.

    I really find Chris B's comments so funny. He is totally addicted to commenting on BYU sports. BYU is 1-1 against Pac-10 teams on the road this year.

  • Louisiana Cougar Pineville, LA
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:40 p.m.

    Well, this win was a gutty, grind-it-out, show your character kind of game for the Cougars.

    I was stunned, frankly, that BYU could make a game of it after such a poor start. Collinsworth's injury in the first half looked like it could have ended his career -- but he came back, despite the injury, to play a strong game.

    Worthington and Winder both showed up when called upon. Mika seems to have virtually disappeared as a contributor. Haws stays steady and Austin keeps sucking in those rebounds.

    I kind of figured along the lines of the famous "Chris B" and thought the Cougars would mail this one in. I like what I saw in this victory. "Sorry to disappoint you, CB." [NOT!!!!!!]

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:33 p.m.

    Just when we write these cougars off..snake-bit or whatever ...they send the message...don't write us off...not yet!!! Chris B. guess it's you who is snake-bit !!

  • BlackDiamond Provo, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:28 p.m.

    @Chris B sound like when they had the early lead over the ASU in football. HAHAHA

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:26 p.m.

    Fouling the other team when you are up 3? Ridiculous basketball. I know a lot of teams are doing it, but it's not a good idea. You are basically giving them an advance of 40+ feet up the floor with no time off the clock; and free shots too! How about just playing defense and slowing their progress up the court so they can't get a good look at a three? Wouldn't that make a bit more sense? It's not like Delly is still playing for them.

    Great win for the Cougars. They didn't deserve it, what with all the missed free throws and the rebounding issues. However, win they did. It's a big boost after dropping a horrible game to Pacific. (In fact, I really think they were looking past Pacific.)

    Now follow the Women's lead and upset Gonzaga. It would be a huge step towards getting back on the right side of the bubble.

  • David Centerville, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    Chris B,

    Wrong again.

    We see this played out regularly with your "predictions". Mark it down.

  • Funny/witty screen name Orem, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:25 p.m.

    Ya the Gaels are going to be way too much for this BYU team to handle...
    But being serious, this BYU team is so unpredictable. Like it's been all season long, they have to play better D and shoot from the free throw line better. They made this game way too close because of missed free throws down the stretch.
    Let's come back home get a W against the zags and hopefully make the tourney!!
    Go Cougs!!

  • Hawkeye79 Iowa City, IA
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:18 p.m.

    Great win for the Cougs! For the time being, ESPN has them back in the tourney.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:16 p.m.

    BYU won by playing the least lousy. But you really have to admire the grit and determination of BYU to climb out of the hole when everything was going against them.

    The officiating and their protection of Waldow and utter disdain for Mika was just embarrassing.
    I think all but one of the fouls called on him were phantom. And most of the calls on the other bigs involving Waldow were equally ridiculous.

    Glad to see Collinsworth is oK. I think we all collectively held our breath on that one.

  • agarrett PROVO, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:17 p.m.

    Looks like someone got caught with their foot in their mouth :)

  • OmahaCoug Omaha, NE
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:14 p.m.

    Great comeback win for the Cougars! Played a tough, energetic second half. Fortunately, the usual poor free throw shooting didn't cost the game. A great confidence boost going into the Gonzaga game.

  • golfrUte SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    Only saw the second half, but what I saw was impressive. Congrats to the Cougs on a gut check win.

    Tough day for my Utes.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:09 p.m.

    Hi Chris,

    Pacific Community College beat USU in Logan this year. When was the last time the Utes did that? Anyway, this was a great win for BYU. More specific, a great road win.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 9:07 p.m.

    Both teams showed their true character tonight. BYU overcame adversity and rose up in the second half and utah fell flat on their face.
    How many more times can CB be wrong in one season?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    The Cougars got the "W" in spite of the ref's best effort to give the game to Saint Mary's. Good job Cougars!!

  • kevo Saratoga Springs, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:53 p.m.

    Nice win fellas! I didn't think they'd win after that first half.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    It's probably too little too late, but a great effort by the cougs tonight. Glad to see them pull out the victory.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:38 p.m.

    Nice win against some pretty bad officiating in the first half. Thank goodness the refs backed off and did not target Mica the 2nd half. They played some of the bet defense I have seen all year long in the 2nd half. With this win ESPN has BYU in the tourney. Keep it up Cougs

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:34 p.m.

    See cougars this is what happens when you play DEFENSE great come from behind victory in spite of what CB says.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:32 p.m.

    Yeah baby! Onward and Upward

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 8:12 p.m.

    Wow. If any BYU fans complain about the officials after that.....

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 7:01 p.m.

    Lafe, stop whining about the refs.

    At the half:

    BYU - 9 fouls
    SMC - 8 fouls

  • couglifer South Jordan, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 6:42 p.m.

    Please someone explain how Waldo can but all the way into the key and if BYU touches him its a foul

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 6:41 p.m.

    "I don't like to complain about the refs, but this is ridiculous. Saint Mary's is getting away with murder."

    No, they're not. The Gaels are just out-playing BYU right now.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 6:36 p.m.

    Byu was in this game for about a minute. 19-9


  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 6:26 p.m.

    St Mary up 11-4 already

    Lol. Game over

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Feb. 15, 2014 5:39 p.m.

    If byu can't beat pacific community college on the road, the Gaels will be too much